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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Wed May 03, 2006 7:09 pm

Hi everybody,

I already told you last week, but now it's official. I'm booked on that flight the 2nd June, what does that mean for my flight? Here it says that it's only from the 2nd – 24th May???


From the Ryanair website:

Ryanair was today forced to cancel its low fares flights between Rome Ciampino and Alghero from the 2nd – 24th May inclusive due to ENAC’s (Italian National Civil Aviation Authority) refusal to allow Ryanair to operate these flights. The Italian authoritiy has stopped these flights, by unlawfully imposing a public service obligation (PSO) on the Rome to Alghero route, thus preventing low fares and competition from continuing between Italy and Sardinia

ENAC is now trying to restrict competition and raise fares by allowing only high fare Italian carriers to operate this route which is illegal under European law.

The effect of this highway robbery by ENAC will be

Ryanair’s low fare service will be forced to cease
It will be replaced by an Italian airline charging much higher fares
Sardinian citizens/visitors will be forced to pay these much higher fares
Traffic on the route will decline
The Italian tax payer will subsidize this highway robbery through PSO
Ryanair sincerely apologises that we will not be allowed by ENAC to operate on this route until we have our appeal in the Administrative Court in Rome on the 11 th of May, after which we hope the court will overturn ENAC’s illegal decision and allow Ryanair to continue to offer its year round low fare services on this route.
 
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Wed May 03, 2006 7:20 pm

Once again, I know, this is BS!
I really understand your feelings, the italian govt. is "famous" for this kind of decisions which are probably in breach of the EU competition laws.
They said that Sardinian citizens are going to have low fares anyway thanks to some kind of state aid measures, but I don't think so honestly...
Hopefully the EU court will do his job, forcing italy to stop that PSO rubbish.
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Wed May 03, 2006 9:30 pm

For once, I suspect Ryanair & easyJet to get their heads together as exactly the same thing happened to the boys in orange a few weeks ago.

easyJet forced to cancel new service due to unlawful intervention by Italian authorities

Low-fares banned on Italian domestic route

easyJet, Europe’s leading low-fares airline, was today forced to cancel its inaugural flight between Milan and Olbia due to ENAC’s (Ente Nazionale Aviazione Civile – the Italian National Civil Aviation Authority) unlawful refusal to allow easyJet to fly.

The Italian authorities objected to easyJet’s new route connecting its base at Milan Malpensa with Olbia, in Sardinia, thereby reinforcing the monopoly of the incumbent airline Meridiana, under guise of the Public Service Obligation (PSO).

As a result of this unlawful activity easyJet has filed a legal challenge in the Italian courts and lodged a complaint with the European Commission. While the court case is pending, the airline planned to continue to operate the route, taking the dramatic step of flying all of the passengers for free. This was a perfectly legal alternative as the European regulation 2408/92 on PSOs clearly states this only applies to 'the transport of passengers for remuneration.'

However, this morning, ENAC intervened and unlawfully prevented easyJet from operating the service, forcing both the airline to cancel the flight and its 149 passengers to travel with the monopoly carrier – who had an aircraft prepared especially for the occasion. ENAC representatives at Milan Airport, backed by Italian police, closed down the easyJet check-in for the Olbia flight. Several TV stations following events at the airport were forced to leave the premises on ENAC’s order. easyJet was therefore forced to operate an empty flight to Olbia, where again easyJet explained the situation to passengers and the media.

Speaking at Milan Malpensa Airport today Arnaldo Munoz, General Manager Commercial for Southern Europe, said:

“Not only is the Italian Government’s attempt to impose a Public Service Obligation on this attractive route ludicrous - it goes against every PSO principle and is a clear breach of European law.

But today’s decision by ENAC to prevent easyJet from operating this service at no charge is also unlawful and a clear example of blind bureaucracy. In order to sustain their untenable position ENAC is willing to stamp on everything and everyone, and passengers first of all.

In spite of all the efforts made by easyJet to find an amicable solution to the benefit of all the parties involved, unfortunately the final decision is now with the European Commission and the Italian courts.”

Passengers due to travel with easyJet today supported the low-cost airline’s cause and protested to the Italian officials who prevented them from flying. easyJet has reimbursed the passengers’ cost of the flight and offered a €100 voucher to be used on other easyJet flights in the future.


[Edited 2006-05-03 14:31:39]
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Thu May 04, 2006 2:54 am

It's a shame, I have not other words.
 
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Thu May 04, 2006 3:26 am

The reason for ENAC blocking any LCCs from flying certain routes in Sardinia is very simple.

The Italian government subsidises certain routes and airlines to Sardinia. I think it is a guaranteed payment per FLIGHT, not per PASSENGER.
So,
If, easyJet, or Ryanair or whoever comes in and offers a lower price in competition, they are effectively taking passengers off the government subsidised flight. (Sardinian residents already get a discount, every one else are holiday seekers like myself...and to be honest, the fare I paid to CAG was very reasonable, 158 Euros return from LTN.)
The position of ENAC and the Italian government is that they are protecting the investment of the taxpayer on certain important sectors.

The talk in these press releases of "High Fare Airlines" is junk, the flights we are talking about, because of the subsidy, are in line with the LCC fares.

Now, why does the Italian government even sudsidise these flights in the first place? A few reasons. First off, Sardinia is for the most part a very poor place. Secondly, being that it is a part of Italy, and people living on the mainland have access to low-cost travel options, such as the train and buses, the government feels it would be unfair for the same types of benefits were not available to the people of Sardinia.
Not many member states have a situation like this. France does, but if I remember correctly, they have similar laws in place for flights to Corsica.
Germany? Belgium? Austria? This Italian law doesn't make sense to them. A big reason why the EU is going to have more trouble ahead, trying to legislate so many different countries with many different needs. What makes sense in Denmark might not make sense in Spain. OK, back to the topic.

These flights are not confined to Sardinia, the sudsidised flights extend to other remote islands as well like Lampedusa and Pantelleria.

I know it may not seem right to many of you, but, this isn't a case of some government bureacracy playing favorites like in the old days....there is a very specific reason for it. Sure, it goes against the rules of the EU, but I have yet to hear a counter-proposal from Brussels on how Italy should deal with the situation. Nations can subsidise ground transportation for its citizens, but what if those citizens live far from the transportation network?

I am probably the only one here who actually is on the side of ENAC.

If they abolished the subsidy, and U2 and FR entered the market, providing an equally low fare, there is nothing to prevent them from leaving the market, or manipulating the fare structure so that only a small amount of low fares are offered for sale. They might be low-fare and all that, but they are responsible only to themselves....in the end, they don't give a damn about the people of Sardinia, whereas, the Italian government has the people as its first and foremost responsibility.....what it has in place is a permanent apparatus that is not dependant upon the fickle nature of airlines.

So the ruling should stand. The EU needs to figure out a better way than trying turn Europe into a "One-Size-Fits-All" economic bloc. Where will it end?
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Thu May 04, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
Now, why does the Italian government even sudsidise these flights in the first place? A few reasons. First off, Sardinia is for the most part a very poor place.

Yes, and those flights Ryanair and Easyjet are offering bring many tourists who will spend a lot of money.... Why can't they just let them fly as well? It's normal to have more airlines flying the same route.
 
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Thu May 04, 2006 5:53 pm

It might be interesting to know that Alitalia, Alpi Eagles and MyAir have also been banned from operating some of the routes they have been operating already or had started selling.
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Thu May 04, 2006 6:50 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
I am probably the only one here who actually is on the side of ENAC.

Nope. I am normally all for FR and U2 and LCCs in general, but in this case it has to be recognized that the government has a POS strategy it is trying to uphold - and Sardinia (or Sardegna) is part of it - and therefore it is implementing measures which will uphold the strategy.

Look at Britain's rail and bus systems - there are rail subsidised routes, just as there are bus subsidised routes by city councils. This is similar, with air travel.

The only crack in the logic is that if LCCs think they can operate on a POS route, there is obviously the scope for low fares on the route in a competitive environment, so perhaps the government should consider lifting POS restrictions on Sardinia, as long as LCCs can guarantee service continuity. This lifting of restrictions would obviously not apply to places like Pantelleria etc. which still need POS to guarantee service.

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 6):
It might be interesting to know that Alitalia, Alpi Eagles and MyAir have also been banned from operating some of the routes they have been operating already or had started selling.

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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Thu May 04, 2006 7:21 pm

Ryanair filed an official claim at the TAR (which is the Court responsible for administrative issues) and expects and answer by May 11th.
If TAR decrees that FR can operate its CIA-AHO flights all year round then there are no worries for passengers already booked (I have booked a round trip in July).
If TAR confirms ENAC decision then Ryanain will refund within 7 workings days all booked passengers.

In this case the alternatives are Air One and Meridiana (in my case at least, ie from Rome)
which offers round trip flights to Alghero and/or Cagliari in the 150/170 euros range.
Not too bad but more than twice what I paid with FR.

This story of PSO flights to and from Sardinia is very controversial.
If, on one hand, it's certainly true that residents in Sardinia have the right to reach the mainland at reasonable
costs (without incurring in the usual high season increases in fares), on the other side it is a clear breach of
European rules, at least on a "moral" point of view.

Maybe a solution could be to operate PSO flights only to and from the main gateways of FCO and MXP and leave
any other EU airline free to operate out of secondary airports like CIA, TRN, LIN to name a few.

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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Thu May 04, 2006 8:40 pm

It certainly makes a lot of sense to have PSO routes to places like Pantelleria etc. but it does not make sense to use a PSO type structure for routes such as Milan/Rome-Sardinia.

Spain and other countries have found a simpler way of ensuring low fares for residents by putting a law in place that forces airlines to offer certain discounts and/or fares on routes from the mainland to the the Canary Islands, Melilla and the islands of Ibiza, Mallorca and Menorca and between any of these airports. You can get these fares on Vueling or Air Berlin as well for example.
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 6):
It might be interesting to know that Alitalia, Alpi Eagles and MyAir have also been banned from operating some of the routes they have been operating already or had started selling.

Which routes have been affected?
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Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
The talk in these press releases of "High Fare Airlines" is junk, the flights we are talking about, because of the subsidy, are in line with the LCC fares.

Yet the airline is still a highfare airline, with the government in reality paying some of the fare. This makes the carriers less cost-effective than U2/FR. As the government are subsidising, you cannot expect anything else than LCC service. Else the taxpayers money are wasted.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
Not many member states have a situation like this. France does, but if I remember correctly, they have similar laws in place for flights to Corsica.
Germany? Belgium? Austria? This Italian law doesn't make sense to them. A big reason why the EU is going to have more trouble ahead, trying to legislate so many different countries with many different needs. What makes sense in Denmark might not make sense in Spain. OK, back to the topic.

I think it exist in many member countries. It does here in Denmark. Public transportation are subsidised in different levels, depending on the area of operation.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
Sure, it goes against the rules of the EU, but I have yet to hear a counter-proposal from Brussels on how Italy should deal with the situation

Well. The Italian rule is upheld as to secure the Sardinian citizens with transport to the mainland, as it has not been profitable to do so earlier. Since U2/FR think this is now profitable, let them do the service. If you for a political reason still wants to subsidise, let them citizens deduct some of the travel expenses in their income tax. Thats common used here. If there should be any need to regulate, they could at least offer U2/FR to cap the prizes, or guarantee a fixed ammount of seats reserved for Sardinians at a fixed price..

Banning the entire airline is just a pile of BS, showing the grim ol' face of the European protectionism, which unfortunately is still strong, especially in Italy. Just take a look at the European clothing/shoe tariffs and quotas. But that's another discussion  Smile
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RE: Enac Blocks RYANAIR’S Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 11):
If you for a political reason still wants to subsidise, let them citizens deduct some of the travel expenses in their income tax. Thats common used here.

That sounds like a good idea. But it's not a complete answer....

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 11):
Since U2/FR think this is now profitable, let them do the service

Well, then U2/FR should go through the standard channels and apply with the proper agencys to provide such services.

I think one of the things not going in the LCC's favor, is lack of connections, with these "high-priced" airlines, and the interline agreements they hold, passengers can go anywhere, whereas on U2/FR, they can only go as far as the next stop the aircraft makes....its great for folks who want to go from Alghero to Milan, but what about those who need to go to Bari, or Ancona, or Lamezia T., or Reggio Calabria, or Brindisi.....or any of a number of other places.

The LCC model does not adequately address the need except in one area; price. There are other needs besides that. Access is primary. How do the LCCs address the access issue?

I agree, the Italian Government is still faced with a lot of work bringing itself up and out of the way things were in the middle 20th century....the bureaucracy is still a nightmare.

I am not someone from afar making random decisions based on distant opinion; rather someone who travels to Sardinia, and yes, very conscious of the price I have to pay. And maybe its just me, but as of yet, I have not encountered any outrageous fare getting to Sardinia either from non-Italian destinations or domestic destinations....Sure, I haven't gotten a fare of 0.99 Euros...but those are unrealistic comparisons, and how many people do these reach anyway?

No, for the time being, the system works....I like the tax credit thing....but I worry about the frontend cost to people that don't make a lot to begin with. Denmark has a significantly higher standard of living than Sardinia, probably twice as much....so it is probably much easier there to implement such programs.

Yes, there's got to be a better way.....so far, I haven't seen one, and neither has probably ENAC.
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
They might be low-fare and all that, but they are responsible only to themselves....in the end, they don't give a damn about the people of Sardinia, whereas, the Italian government has the people as its first and foremost responsibility.....what it has in place is a permanent apparatus that is not dependant upon the fickle nature of airlines.

So the ruling should stand.

Do BA and AF and all the other companies flying London-Paris provide flights on the basis that they care about the need for English or French people to travel this route? No.

Have any of the airlines on this route agreed to provide an air link in perpetuity? No.

On that basis, one could argue this route should be a POS route.


Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 7):
Look at Britain's rail and bus systems - there are rail subsidised routes, just as there are bus subsidised routes by city councils. This is similar, with air travel.

I think that the routes you refer to are routes where it is not possible the required service without losing money. Hence the subsidy. The government and local government would, I am sure, be delighted if an operator or operators appeared on the scene proposing to run the service without subsidy.

Were Italy a champion of the free market, I would take the ENAC view as expressed by a couple of contributors seriously. Unfortunately, it's not.
 
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting Art (Reply 13):
Do BA and AF and all the other companies flying London-Paris provide flights on the basis that they care about the need for English or French people to travel this route? No.

Have any of the airlines on this route agreed to provide an air link in perpetuity? No.

On that basis, one could argue this route should be a POS route.

London-Paris is a whole lot different than CAG-FCO....for one, it is two different nations. Do Londoners need to travel to Paris for medical care not available in the UK? Does the UK pay into an EU tax fund allocated to transportation networks?
The comparison has no merit.

The fundamental need for the PSO is this.
Sardinians pay taxes.
These taxes go to in no small part the subsidy of the national rail network and motorways.
Sardinians, as do residents of the other islands, have no access to these transportation networks.
The PSO flights bring the benefits of citzenship to all Italians, whether they live on the mainland or not.
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
Which routes have been affected?

Alitalia: FCO-CAG
Alpi Eagles: BGY-CAG, BGY-OLB, CIA-CAG, CIA-OLB
MyAir: BGY-OLB
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 4:24 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 15):
Alitalia: FCO-CAG
Alpi Eagles: BGY-CAG, BGY-OLB, CIA-CAG, CIA-OLB
MyAir: BGY-OLB

I don't think Apli Eagles has ever opertated or wanted to operate a single flight out of Ciampino. They are based in the North East and havea strong presence in VCE and VRN (as strong as it can get with only 8 Fokker 100 in the fleet)

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 11:44 pm

Stefano, they were selling the flights via GDSs and their own website for some times (Saturday and Sunday only if I remember correctly).
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 05, 2006 11:58 pm

Being half Italian, once again I am ashamed about my country.... when will these idiots finally learn from other countries? and im not only talking about this Block for Ryanair but in General...  Sad

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 9:41 pm

Before blame ENAC or any airlines, please read the act who rule the flights between Italy mainland and Sardinia:

Official Journal C 072 , 24/03/2006 P. 0004 - 0013





Imposition of public service obligations on scheduled air services within Italy

(2006/C 72/03)

(Text with EEA relevance)

Pursuant to Article 4(1)(a) of Council Regulation (EEC) No 2408/92 of 23 July 1992 on access for Community air carriers to intra-Community air routes, in accordance with the proposal put forward by the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, the Italian Government has decided to impose public service obligations on scheduled air services on certain routes between Sardinian airports and the main national airports.

The insularity of Sardinia significantly limits the scope for connections, which is why air transport has a fundamental and irreplaceable role for which there are no valid comparable alternatives.

Consequently, scheduled air services are considered to be public-interest services which are vital for the economic and social development of the island to guarantee both the freedom of movement of persons and their right to travel freely.

1. ROUTES CONCERNED AND GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE SERVICE OBLIGATIONS

1.1. The routes concerned by the imposition of public service obligations are as follows:

Alghero — Rome and return

Alghero — Milan and return

Cagliari — Rome and return

Cagliari — Milan and return

Olbia — Rome and return

Olbia — Milan and return

In accordance with Regulation (EEC) No 2408/92, Rome as a destination is to be understood as the Rome airport system, comprising Rome-Fiumicino and Rome-Ciampino, and Milan as a destination is to be understood as the Milan airport system, comprising Milan-Linate, Milan-Malpensa and Bergamo-Orio al Serio.

1.2. In accordance with Article 9 of Regulation (EEC) No 95/93 of 18 January 1993, as amended by Regulation (EC) No 793/2004, relating to common rules for the allocation of slots at Community airports, the competent authorities may reserve certain slots for services in accordance with these obligations. Subject to slot availability, at least 50 % of the connections scheduled from the Sardinian airports and Rome and Milan must be operated from and to Fiumicino and from and to Linate.

1.3. The two routes Alghero — Rome and Alghero — Milan and the two routes Olbia — Rome and Olbia — Milan each constitute a single package which must be accepted in their entirety and as a whole by the carriers concerned without any compensation of any kind or origin. The routes Cagliari — Rome and Cagliari — Milan, on the other hand, must be accepted individually, in their entirety and as a whole by the carriers concerned without any compensation of any kind or origin.

1.4. Each individual carrier which accepts the public service obligations shall provide a performance security for the purpose of guaranteeing the correct performance and continuation of the service. That security shall amount to at least 5 % of the total estimated turnover evaluated by ENAC (the Italian National Civil Aviation Authority) for the air services scheduled for the package of routes in question. The security shall be payable to ENAC, which will use it to ensure the continuation of the services concerned in the event of unjustified abandonment, and shall consist of a first request bank surety (50 %) and an insurance surety (for the remaining 50 %).

1.5. ENAC, acting in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, will verify whether the accepting carriers possess the requisite structure and meet the minimum requirements for access to the service in order to determine whether the objectives pursued by the imposition of the public service obligations will be satisfied. On conclusion of this verification, the carriers which are considered to be suitable to perform the services concerned will be allowed to do so.

1.6. To avoid the overcapacity which would result if several carriers were to accept a route subject to the obligations, considering the infrastructure limitations and conditions of the airports involved, ENAC, at the behest of the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, has the task of intervening in the public interest to control the accepting carriers' operating programmes so as to ensure that they are completely in line with the travel requirements underlying the obligations imposed.

Such intervention should be aimed at a fair redistribution of routes and frequencies between the accepting carriers on the basis of the volumes of traffic on the routes (and packages of routes) in question, ascertained for each of them over the previous two years.

1.7. In order to be able to accept the service obligations on each of the above routes or packages of routes, each accepting carrier must meet the following minimum requirements:

1. be a Community air carrier in possession of the AOC and the required licence in accordance with Regulation (EEC) No 2407/92,

2. demonstrate that they possess the necessary financial capacity to guarantee meeting the objectives pursued with the imposition of public service obligations, with a turnover from air traffic in the year preceding the imposition of these obligations at least equal to the total for the routes or packages of routes accepted, or an equivalent capitalisation;

3. demonstrate that they have at their disposal, either in their ownership or on lease guaranteed for the entire period of duration of the obligations, an adequate number of aircraft consistent with the number of first flights in the morning leaving Sardinia, as provided for in the obligations imposed, and in general an adequate number of aircraft with the requisite seating capacity to satisfy the requirements of the obligations imposed;

4. employ on the routes concerned personnel who speak Italian fluently and correctly;

5. distribute and sell tickets with at least one of the principal CRS (Amadeus, Galileo, Sabre, World Span) by internet, by telephone, at airport ticket counters, and through the travel agency system, at least one of the methods listed being without any charge to the purchasers;

6. self-certify having obtained during the period from 1 January 2004 to 31 December 2004 a total regularity coefficient equal to at least 98 % and an on-time coefficient (on the basis of IATA's statistical conventions) of at least 80 % to within 15 minutes;

7. provide the performance security as described in Point 1.4.

1.8. In order to guarantee the objectives of continuity, reliability, punctuality and security of service, the carriers which intend to accept the service obligations shall provide ENAC with the appropriate documents (in Italian or English) attesting to possession of the abovementioned minimum requirements as well as the organisational, technical, and financial resources needed for the service.

1.9. The carriers which accept the present public service obligations undertake to observe and apply domestic, international and Community law with regard to the protection of passengers, in cases of physical damage, overbooking, late flights, cancelled flights, lost baggage, late arrived baggage, and damaged baggage; they also undertake to apply the Community rules of Regulation (EC) No 261/2004, which entered into force on 17 February 2005, concerning overbooking, flight cancellations and delays, with particular regard to the rights of disabled passengers and passengers with reduced mobility. By accepting the present obligations, the carriers at the same time commit themselves to ensuring that their conduct vis-à-vis air passengers and consumers conforms to the principles contained in the Charter of European and Italian Passengers' Rights.

2. ORGANISATION OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE OBLIGATIONS

2.1. The public service obligations are organised taking into consideration the special conditions arising from Sardinia's insularity; in terms of the number of minimum frequencies and capacity offered the obligations are as follows:

2.1.1. On the Alghero — Rome route

(a) Daily minimum frequency

On the Alghero — Rome route, at least 3/4 [1] outward flights and 3/4 [1] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 October to 31 May, and at least 5/6 [1] outward flights and 5/6 [1] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods).

(b) Flight times

On the Alghero — Rome route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07.00 and 07.45

1 flight between 13.30 and 15.30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

On the Rome — Alghero route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07.00 and 08.30

1 flight between 13:30 and 15:30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

(c) Offered capacity

The daily offered capacity is determined taking into consideration the different frequencies provided during the two periods as described in the obligations.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 October to 31 May shall be 450 seats on the Alghero — Rome route and 450 seats on the Rome — Alghero route.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 June to 30 September (including the Christmas and Easter periods) shall be 750 seats on the Alghero — Rome route and 750 seats on the Rome — Alghero route.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights exceeds 80 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to introduce additional flights or use aircraft with a greater capacity in order to satisfy the demand, without any charge to the Administration.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights is less than 50 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to use aircraft with a smaller capacity and/or bring supply into line with demand.

2.1.2. On the Alghero — Milan Route:

(a) Daily minimum frequency

On the Alghero — Milan route, at least three outward flights and three return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 October to 31 May, and at least 4/5 [2] outward flights and 4/5 [2] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods).

(b) Flight times

On the Alghero — Milan route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07.00 and 07.45

1 flight between 13.30 and 15.30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

On the Milan — Alghero route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07.00 and 08.30

1 flight between 13:30 and 15:30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

(c) Offered capacity

The daily offered capacity is determined taking into consideration the different frequencies provided during the two periods as described in the service obligations.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 October to 31 May shall be 450 seats on the Alghero — Milan route and 450 seats on the Milan — Alghero route.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods) shall be 600 seats on the Alghero — Milan route and 600 seats on the Milan — Alghero route.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights exceeds 80 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to introduce additional flights or use aircraft with a greater capacity in order to satisfy the demand, without any charge to the Administration.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights is less than 50 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to use aircraft with a smaller capacity and/or bring supply into line with demand.

2.1.3. On the Cagliari — Rome route:

(a) Daily minimum frequency

On the Cagliari — Rome route, at least 9/10 [3] outward flights and 9/10 [3] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 October to 31 May, and at least 12/14 [3] outward flights and 12/14 [3] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods).

(b) Flight times

On the Cagliari — Rome route, there shall be guaranteed at least

3 flights between 06:30 and 09:30

2 flights between 12.30 and 15.30.

2 flights between 19.30 and 22:30.

On the Rome — Cagliari route, there shall be guaranteed at least

2 flights between 06:30 and 09:30

2 flights between 12.30 and 15.30.

3 flights between 19.30 and 22:30.

(c) Offered capacity

The daily offered capacity is determined taking into consideration the different frequencies provided during the two periods as described in the service obligations.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 October to 31 May shall be 1350 seats on the Cagliari — Rome route and 1350 seats on the Rome — Cagliari route.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods) shall be 1800 seats on the Cagliari — Rome route and 1800 seats on the Rome — Cagliari route.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights exceeds 80 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to introduce additional flights or use aircraft with a greater capacity in order to satisfy the demand, without any charge to the Administration.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights is less than 50 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to use aircraft with a smaller capacity and/or bring supply into line with demand.

2.1.4. On the Cagliari — Milan route:

(a) Daily minimum frequency

On the Cagliari — Milan route, at least 5/6 [4] outward flights and 5/6 [4] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 October to 31 May, and at least 8/10 [4] outward flights and 8/10 [4] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods).

(b) Flight times

On the Cagliari — Milan route, there shall be guaranteed at least

2 flights between 06.30 and 08.30.

1 flight between 13.00 and 15.30

2 flights between 19.30 and 22.30.

On the Milan — Cagliari route, there shall be guaranteed at least

2 flights between 07:00 and 09:00

1 flight between 13:30 and 15:30

2 flights between 19.30 and 22.30.

(c) Offered capacity

The daily offered capacity is determined taking into consideration the different frequencies provided during the two periods as described in the service obligations.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 October to 31 May shall be 750 seats on the Cagliari-Milan route and 750 seats on the Milan-Cagliari route.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 June to 30 September (including the Christmas and Easter periods) shall be 1200 seats on the Cagliari-Milan route and 1200 seats on the Milan-Cagliari route.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights exceeds 80 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to introduce additional flights or use aircraft with a greater capacity in order to satisfy the demand, without any charge to the Administration.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights is less than 50 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to use aircraft with a smaller capacity and/or bring supply into line with demand.

2.1.5. On the Olbia — Rome route:

(a) Daily minimum frequency

On the Olbia — Rome route, at least 3/4 [5] outward flights and 3/4 [5] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 October to 31 May, and at least 5/9 [5] outward flights and 5/9 [5] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods).

(b) Flight times

On the Olbia — Rome route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07.00 and 07.45

1 flight between 13.30 and 15.30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

On the Rome — Olbia route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07.00 and 08.30

1 flight between 13:30 and 15:30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

(c) Offered capacity

The daily offered capacity is determined taking into consideration the different frequencies provided during the two periods as described in the service obligations.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 October to 31 May shall be 450 seats on the Olbia — Rome route and 450 seats on the Rome — Olbia route.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods) shall be 750 seats on the Olbia — Rome route and 750 seats on the Rome — Olbia route.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights exceeds 80 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to introduce additional flights or use aircraft with a greater capacity in order to satisfy the demand, without any charge to the Administration.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights is less than 50 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to use aircraft with a smaller capacity and/or bring supply into line with demand.

2.1.6. On the Olbia — Milan route:

(a) Daily minimum frequency

On the Olbia — Milan route, at least 2/3 [6] outward flights and 2/3 [6] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 October to 31 May, and at least 7/13 [6] outward flights and 7/3 [6] return flights shall be guaranteed from 1 June to 30 September (plus the Christmas and Easter periods).

(b) Flight times

On the Olbia-Milan route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07.00 and 07.45

1 flight between 13.30 and 15.30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

On the Milan-Olbia route, there shall be guaranteed at least

1 flight between 07:00 and 08:30

1 flight between 13:30 and 15:30

1 flight between 19.30 and 22.30

(c) Offered capacity

The daily offered capacity is determined taking into consideration the different frequencies provided during the two periods as described in the service obligations.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 October to 31 May shall be 300 seats on the Olbia-Milan route and 300 seats on the Milan-Olbia route.

The daily minimum capacity offered during the period from 1 June to 30 September (including the Christmas and Easter periods) shall be 1050 seats on the Olbia-Milan route and 1050 seats on the Milan-Olbia route.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights exceeds 80 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to introduce additional flights or use aircraft with a greater capacity in order to satisfy the demand, without any charge to the Administration.

If the total daily load factor for the scheduled flights is less than 50 %, the carriers accepting the route may be authorised by ENAC, in agreement with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to use aircraft with a smaller capacity and/or bring supply into line with demand.

3. TYPE OF AIRCRAFT TO BE USED ON EACH ROUTE

The aircraft to be used on the routes

Alghero — Roma — Alghero

Alghero — Milan — Alghero

Cagliari — Roma — Cagliari

Cagliari — Milan — Cagliari

Olbia — Roma — Olbia

Olbia — Milan — Olbia

shall each have a minimum capacity of 150 seats.

3.1. The entire capacity of each aircraft to be used, even if it exceeds the minimum limit provided above, shall be offered for sale for each flight in accordance with the imposed public service obligations without any seating restrictions for residents and/or non-residents. By the same token, bookings and additions to waiting lists must be accepted without discrimination against the category of passenger envisaged by the service obligations.

3.2. Any practices designed to get around this requirement, in particular the refusal to issue tickets at a concessionary fare notwithstanding the seating availability on the aircraft, shall be considered a serious breach of the obligations imposed.

4. FARES

4.1. The fare structure for all the routes concerned must include:

- a maximum concessionary fare which is the maximum price applicable to passengers who belong to a favoured category as described below,

- a maximum non-concessionary fare which is the maximum price applicable to all passengers who do not belong to a favoured category. Any carriers which accept the public service obligations undertake to structure the fares according to the different groups so as to guarantee the sale of an adequate number of special and discount tickets resulting in an average sales price significantly lower than the maximum non-concessionary fare.

The fares shall be structured as follows:

Route concerned | Maximum concessionary fare (EUR) | Maximum non-concessionary fare (EUR) |

Alghero — Rome | 45,00 | 100,00 |

Alghero — Milan | 55,00 | 115,00 |

Cagliari — Rome | 45,00 | 100,00 |

Cagliari — Milan | 55,00 | 115,00 |

Olbia — Rome | 45,00 | 100,00 |

Olbia — Milan | 55,00 | 115,00 |

4.2. All the fares indicated shall include VAT and shall be net of airport taxes and charges and of the crisis surcharge of which the maximum allowable amount is EUR 6,00. Whenever the conditions which brought about the levying of the crisis surcharge no longer apply or become less significant, such crisis surcharge shall be removed or proportionately reduced. No other charges of whatever kind regardless of their designation shall be applied to the fares indicated.

4.3. The concessionary fare shall be unlimited and unrestricted and shall not be subject to penalties for changes of date/time/ticket or for reimbursement.

4.4. At least one form of ticket distribution and sale must be provided which is entirely free of charge and places no additional economic burden on passengers.

4.5. Every year, beginning on 1 January 2007, the competent authorities shall review the fares indicated on the basis of the inflation rate for the preceding year calculated according to the general ISTAT/FOI consumer price index. The revision shall be communicated to all the carriers which operate on the routes concerned applying the fares in question and to the European Commission for publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.

4.6. As from the second half of 2006, if the average cost of fuel and/or the average euro/US dollar exchange rate varies by more than 5 %, the fares shall be revised in proportion to such variation and to the effect of the cost of fuel on the carrier's operating costs. The Minister for Infrastructure and Transport, after consultation with the Autonomous Region of Sardinia and on the basis of an inquiry carried out by a Joint Technical Committee consisting of a representative appointed by the Ministry of Infrastructure and Transport, ENAC and the Autonomous Region of Sardinia respectively, shall adjust the fares.

In the event of an increase in excess of the indicated percentage, the said Joint Technical Committee shall initiate the procedure for deciding on an adjustment upon receiving notice from the carriers operating on the routes concerned. In the event of a decrease, the procedure shall be initiated automatically. During the abovementioned inquiry, the carriers operating the routes concerned must be given an opportunity to comment. Any adjustment to fares shall take effect from the six-month period following that in which it is decided.

4.7. Increases in fares by any organisation and of whatever nature decided outside the abovementioned procedure shall be considered unlawful.

4.8. Concessionary fares as specified above must be applied at least to:

- residents of Sardinia;

- persons born in Sardinia even if they do not reside in Sardinia;

- disabled persons [7];

- young persons aged 2 to 21 years [7];

- elderly persons aged over 70 years [7],

- university students until they reach 27 years of age [7].

5. CONTINUITY OF SERVICES

In accordance with Article 4(1)(c) of Regulation (EEC) No 2408/92, the carrier which accepts the public service obligations shall guarantee the service for a period of at least 36 consecutive months and shall not suspend the service without giving at least six-months' prior notice to ENAC and the Autonomous Region of Sardinia.

5.1. For the purpose of guaranteeing the continuity, regularity and punctuality of the service, the carriers which accept the public service obligation must:

- operate 98 % of the flights provided for in the operating programmes, with a maximum cancellation margin of 2 %;

- pay the regulatory body EUR 2500 in respect of each flight cancelled in excess of the 2 % annual cancellation limit. The sums received in this connection shall be allocated to the territorial continuity heading of the budget of Sardinia .

- operate 85 % of each year's flights to within 20 minutes of the established timetable;

- compensate each passenger for every delay of more than 20 minutes with a credit of EUR 15,00 to be put towards the purchase of another ticket.

5.2. The abovementioned rules shall not apply to cancelled flights and flights delayed due to weather conditions, strikes or events beyond the control and/or responsibility of the carrier.

6. SANCTIONS

Suspension of the service without prior notice or with prior notice but contrary to the abovementioned rules shall be subject to administrative and pecuniary sanctions, the amounts of which will take into account the damage caused to the public authorities and the damage caused to passengers.

6.1. In order to guarantee proper observance of these obligations by the carriers which accept them, a Joint Monitoring Committee shall be established, under the aegis of the Transport Council of the Autonomous Region of Sardinia, to monitor the performance of the public service obligations (hereinafter "the Joint Monitoring Committee") consisting of one member appointed by the Regional Transport Minister; one member appointed by the Ministry of Infrastructure and Transport; one member appointed by ENAC; and one member appointed by each carrier which has accepted the public service obligations.

6.2. The Joint Monitoring Committee shall:

- be chaired by the Regional Transport Minister and shall regularly meet once every three months, except in cases of emergency as decided by its Chairman,

- consider the information collected by the Administration of the Airport Districts of Sardinia, by the airport management companies, by individual citizens or by consumer groups with respect to performance of the public service obligations,

- determine possible breaches of public service obligations, note such breaches and propose to ENAC the measures to be adopted to restore the service and, where appropriate, impose sanctions, suggesting the type and the amount of such sanctions.

7. VALIDITY

The public service obligations contained in this Annex shall become mandatory on 2 May 2006 and shall expire on 1 May 2009).

8. ACCEPTANCE

Any carriers which intend to accept the public service obligations contained in the present document must submit, within 30 days of publication in the Official Journal of the European Union of the Commission notice relating to the imposition of those obligations, formal acceptance to the Ente Nazionale per l'Aviazione Civile (Italian National Civil Aviation Authority).

[1] The number of scheduled flights marked with an asterisk (*) may vary within the season according to the period and day of the week. The flight schedule organised by period and days of the week shall be arranged in advance by the companies which have accepted the obligations. Such flight schedules shall aim to satisfy demand fully and shall be lodged with ENAC by the carriers which have accepted the service obligations at least 15 days prior to the beginning of each scheduling season and shall also be communicated to the Autonomous Region of Sardinia. The service must be direct without any intermediate stopover.

[2] The number of scheduled flights marked with an asterisk (*) may vary within the season according to the period and day of the week. The flight schedule organised by period and days of the week shall be arranged in advance by the companies which have accepted the public service obligations. Such flight schedules shall aim to satisfy demand fully and shall be lodged with ENAC by the carriers which have accepted the public service obligations at least 15 days prior to the beginning of each scheduling season and shall also be communicated to the Autonomous Region of Sardinia. The service must be direct without any intermediate stopover.

[3] The number of scheduled flights marked with an asterisk (*) may vary within the season according to the period and day of the week. The flight schedule organised by period and days of the week shall be arranged in advance by the companies which have accepted the public service obligations. Such flight schedules shall aim to satisfy demand fully and shall be lodged with ENAC by the carriers which have accepted the public service obligations at least 15 days prior to the beginning of each scheduling season and shall also be communicated to the Autonomous Region of Sardinia. The service must be direct without any intermediate stopover.

[4] The number of scheduled flights marked with an asterisk (*) may vary within the season according to the period and day of the week. The flight schedule organised by period and days of the week shall be arranged in advance by the companies which have accepted the public service obligations. Such flight schedules shall aim to satisfy demand fully and shall be lodged with ENAC by the carriers which have accepted the public service obligations at least 15 days prior to the beginning of each scheduling season and shall also be communicated to the Autonomous Region of Sardinia. The service must be direct without any intermediate stopover.

[5] The number of scheduled flights marked with an asterisk (*) may vary within the season according to the period and day of the week. The flight schedule organised by period and days of the week shall be arranged in advance by the companies which have accepted the public service obligations. Such flight schedules shall aim to satisfy demand fully and shall be lodged with ENAC by the carriers which have accepted the public service obligations at least 15 days prior to the beginning of each scheduling season and shall also be communicated to the Autonomous Region of Sardinia. The service must be direct without any intermediate stopover.

[6] The number of scheduled flights marked with an asterisk (*) may vary within the season according to the period and day of the week. The flight schedule organised by period and days of the week shall be arranged in advance by the companies which have accepted the public service obligations. Such flight schedules shall aim to satisfy demand fully and shall be lodged by the carriers which have accepted the public service obligations at least 15 days prior to the beginning of each scheduling season with ENAC and shall also be communicated to the Autonomous Region of Sardinia. The service must be direct without any intermediate stopover.

[7] Without any discrimination with regard to place of birth, residence and nationality.Children younger than two years of age travel free provided they do not occupy a seat.
 
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting VivaGunners (Reply 1):
I really understand your feelings, the italian govt. is "famous" for this kind of decisions which are probably in breach of the EU competition laws.

This is not in breach of the EU competition laws

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 7):
Look at Britain's rail and bus systems - there are rail subsidised routes, just as there are bus subsidised routes by city councils. This is similar, with air travel.

Let's not get started on the PPP. That is essentially a state-funded guaranteed profit for the operating companies. If the whole system was re-nationalized, it would be much more efficient

Quoting Art (Reply 13):
Do BA and AF and all the other companies flying London-Paris provide flights on the basis that they care about the need for English or French people to travel this route? No.

There is a huge difference there, and it goes beyond just the fact that they are in 2 different countries.

BTW, thanks for showing us the law Airblue.
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
I am probably the only one here who actually is on the side of ENAC.

No, you're not, I agree.
Although I'm not finished in reading the entire thread, your post is very correct and finally clearly explaining the situation istead of jumping in and spraying bu**ocks on the matter.
It is in fact much more a problem of how the EU plans to manage all the contraddictions there are in Europe, but
THE ENAC MOVE IS BACKED BY THE ITALIAN CONSTITUTION (continuità territoriale = territorial continuity), which is still the main reference for a european sovereign country, as the french move with U2/Corse was.

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 6):
It might be interesting to know that Alitalia

(Fortunately--don't flame please!) Alitalia managed to go around the ban with a special alliance made up with Meridiana ("low cost") codesharing flights  Wink
 
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sat May 06, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 9):
It certainly makes a lot of sense to have PSO routes to places like Pantelleria etc. but it does not make sense to use a PSO type structure for routes such as Milan/Rome-Sardinia.

Care to say why please?

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 9):
Spain and other countries have found a simpler way of ensuring low fares for residents by putting a law in place that forces airlines to offer certain discounts and/or fares on routes from the mainland to the the Canary Islands, Melilla and the islands of Ibiza, Mallorca and Menorca and between any of these airports. You can get these fares on Vueling or Air Berlin as well for example.

The debate inside the Italian Government at the time when what Airblue quoted (thank you) was decided was finalized to guarantee the SAME level of quality in the service between the Indipedent Region Sardegna and the continent. Can you imagine the situation which will eventually brought out by such rules? Alitalia would drop the routes, letting sardinian citizens choose between Meridiana and other LCCs, EVIDENTLY not guaranteeing the same standard of service Alitalia does. Where do you connect to with FR/U2? Which global alliances could you take adventage of? ...And, let me say: would you prefer (on payed business travel) to travel with a "regular" airline, or on a cramped 737 with no food and no place assigned?...


I'd like to underline this, as answer to everyone talking about violations of the EU laws:

Quoting Airblue (Reply 19):
1.2. In accordance with Article 9 of Regulation (EEC) No 95/93 of 18 January 1993, as amended by Regulation (EC) No 793/2004, relating to common rules for the allocation of slots at Community airports, the competent authorities may reserve certain slots for services in accordance with these obligations. Subject to slot availability, at least 50 % of the connections scheduled from the Sardinian airports and Rome and Milan must be operated from and to Fiumicino and from and to Linate.

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
ENAC is now trying to restrict competition and raise fares by allowing only high fare Italian carriers to operate this route which is illegal under European law.

Anyone disagree?

One has to also ask why the Italian authorities waited until Ryanair had set their operation up and sold tickets before deciding that this should be a PSO route. I imagine that question will come up in the forthcoming litigation.
 
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Art (Reply 24):
One has to also ask why the Italian authorities waited until Ryanair had set their operation up and sold tickets before deciding that this should be a PSO route. I imagine that question will come up in the forthcoming litigation.

Rome-Alghero HAS always been a PSO route, what do you mean "deciding it should be" (?)
I think this particular law has been on the books for at least 15 years. (Someone with more knowledge, I am unclear on exactly how old the law is)

It is Ryanair's fault. They knew what they are doing. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Airlines do this frequently, going along as if they have authority, while in fact they do not, hoping for authorization at the 11th hour.

Quoting Art (Reply 24):
Anyone disagree?

Well I disagree.....ENAC is not trying to restrict competition.
The intent of the law is found quite early in the document Airblue posted. (BTW good job on finding that and posting it...in English too! Good job.)

It is stated rather clear here:

Quoting Airblue (Reply 19):
The insularity of Sardinia significantly limits the scope for connections, which is why air transport has a fundamental and irreplaceable role for which there are no valid comparable alternatives.

Consequently, scheduled air services are considered to be public-interest services which are vital for the economic and social development of the island to guarantee both the freedom of movement of persons and their right to travel freely.
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 25):
Quoting Art (Reply 24):
One has to also ask why the Italian authorities waited until Ryanair had set their operation up and sold tickets before deciding that this should be a PSO route. I imagine that question will come up in the forthcoming litigation.
Rome-Alghero HAS always been a PSO route, what do you mean "deciding it should be" (?)

My mistake if what you say is correct. What I read gave me the impression that the PSO runs from 2nd May 2006:

Quoting Airblue (Reply 19):
7. VALIDITY

The public service obligations contained in this Annex shall become mandatory on 2 May 2006 and shall expire on 1 May 2009).

8. ACCEPTANCE

Any carriers which intend to accept the public service obligations contained in the present document must submit, within 30 days of publication in the Official Journal of the European Union of the Commission notice relating to the imposition of those obligations, formal acceptance to the Ente Nazionale per l'Aviazione Civile (Italian National Civil Aviation Authority).


[Edited 2006-05-07 03:50:53]
 
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 25):
I think this particular law has been on the books for at least 15 years. (Someone with more knowledge, I am unclear on exactly how old the law is)

The law is on place since 1993, as it stays in what Airblue (post 19) cared to add to the thread. It is understandable just by READING it, criticizing just after knowing the situation.
Ryanair either did not read the rules, or pretends not to know.
And for me Ryanair is not a very serious, yet very successful company in publicizing itself these ways and "sticking sticks between the wheels" of everybody.



Quoting Art (Reply 24):
Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
ENAC is now trying to restrict competition and raise fares by allowing only high fare Italian carriers to operate this route which is illegal under European law.

Anyone disagree?

yeah, yeah, anyone KNOWING something about this issue would do it, fortunately Wink

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 2:31 pm

There's an added issue in Italy which does not apply to any other country.

The pope.

As you may know the pope resides in the country (the vatican which is in Rome). The pope calls the prime minister of Italy every morning at 8 am to tell him what he wants accomplished.

Every Italian rich or poor has the right to go to Rome and visit the pope when ever he or she may like.

If you look at the entire transportation system in Italy you will see that you can travel from anywhere in Italy to anywhere in Italy paying almost nothing. If a farmer in the Alps wants to go to see the pope, he can take a state subsidized local bus ride to the next train station for next to no cost ( €1.5 for a 30 min ride ) He can transfer to a regional train that takes him to the next major city ( Colico - Milano ~ 1 hr 30 min for €4 ) and finally a regional train to Rome. The combined cost is a joke compared to most countries. If you travel with a bullet train, the cost may compare to any other country in europe. Instead look at the prices of regional trains, bus companies, ferry operators and hydrofoil services. The residents of Stromboli, a tiny volcanic Island north of Sicily, can use a hydrofoil to Napoli (4 hours vs 8 hours with a ferry) at a fraction of the cost a tourist pays. Napoli is a lot closer to Rome than Reggio Calabria which is 1 hour away. In the same light, navigation services on lakes and sea are guaranteed year round. On Lago id Como hydrofoils and ships are in service year round, rain or shine. Their load factors in winter are ridiculous low. Tirrenia and Moby Lines offer daily departures to Sardegna from Genova and Livorno year round. Moby runs the Livorno - Olbia route with a modern Fast Cruise Ferry 750 cars + 2200 passengers and 29 kts.

Sardegna and Sicily are autonomous states within Italy. Whatever their residents want the Italian government will deliver, and especially if the pope demands it. I bet European laws will bend the Italian way.
 
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Sun May 07, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 28):
Sardegna and Sicily are autonomous states within Italy. Whatever their residents want the Italian government will deliver, and especially if the pope demands it. I bet European laws will bend the Italian way.

Sicilia and Sardegna are by no means "autonomous states". They are Regions with a special (slightly different) statute. Italy is not a Federation like Germany or the USA.
Maybe what you said about the pope phoning the Prime Minister every morning at 8am is closer to reality than anybody might think. But I highly doubt that the transportation system of the Country is cheap because people have to go to the pope.
To go back to the main thread, I understand the need for Sardinia residents to have a year round affordable air link with the mainland but I do not understand why people from Rome or Milan or any other part of the Country have no choice but the high fares of Alitalia, Meridiana and Air One.
Not to mention that the only added service that these airlines offer are the connections with a wider network, because on such a short flight the level of service is identical to the low cost carriers: nothing!

I am sure a solution can be found, for example allowing people from Sardinia to deduct a certain amount of air tickets from taxes or get a direct State refund when they spend more than a set level.

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Mon May 08, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Steman (Reply 29):
Sicilia and Sardegna are by no means "autonomous states". They are Regions with a special (slightly different) statute. Italy is not a Federation like Germany or the USA.

Sicilia and Sardegna were forced to be part of Italy. The government has a certain sensibility toward both islands. There's terrorist groups on Sardegna and in Sicilia you have mafia who seems to be better protected by its fellow Sicilians than the police is.

The reason why you pay more for the flight is because you don't reside on the island, you're just going there in the summer to go to the beach. If hordes of people were going to the island in the off-season there would be no need for subsidies. The LCC are only interested in the summer high yield market. They certainly wouldn't fly during the raining season.
 
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Mon May 08, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 30):
Sicilia and Sardegna were forced to be part of Italy. The government has a certain sensibility toward both islands. There's terrorist groups on Sardegna and in Sicilia you have mafia who seems to be better protected by its fellow Sicilians than the police is.

Don't know where you got this. Which movie was that?
Better study Italian history a little before proclaiming such "truths".
Sardegna was Italy before the rest of the peninsula!

And this has nothing to do with the continuita' territoriale issue.

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Tue May 09, 2006 12:47 am

Italy forced Sardinia to be part of Italy?
I thought it was the other way around?  innocent  Something about the King of Sardinia going to war with Austria?....anyone besides me remember this?
Oh well, everyone can't be History majors!

I hope everyone enjoyed the Sant Efisio festivities last week! and hope the weather cooperated; hope to be back next year, for what would it be now, the 351?

There is a special quality to Sardinia that would be devastated if it were to be the next beach-head of the European LCC invastion. The last thing I'd want for the Island would for it to become just like one of the Spanish coastal resort cities with millions of people trampling around hellbent on getting a good drunk on....

I have never seen any research on the subject, but has the Sardinian population ever been surveyed as to their opinion on whether LCCs should be given free-reign to their island? I am going to guess that their answer would be "No".....There already exists enough capacity to the resort centers of the north....why is there a need for more? Who is going to be served? Or is the plan just so some denizen of the north can come on down and spend his 300 Euros for the week? No, go to Spain for that. But then again, I may be entirely off base.
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Tue May 09, 2006 8:09 am

If an industry declines in the US, people leave.. the town falls down, incomes drop...

If Industry arrives, prices are cheap, a lot of investment comes, prices rise, lifestyles rise...

thats why Detroit is a gheto and Chicago is thriving.

in the 1930's Chicago was a gheto and Detroit was thriving.


Europe is littered with ruined cities that failed through the centuries.

Why are they paying to keep these places on life support, when letting the heart attack happen may improve it in the long term.

If Sardinia is poor with no industry.. let it fail. If Easyjet think they can make it work... then there's the recovery. Failing that maybe it's meant to fail and paying to keep it is like good money after bad.
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Tue May 09, 2006 1:05 pm

It has nothing to do with keeping ANYONE on life support....
As has been stated before, Sardinians pay transportation taxes....the PSO flights give them access to the Domestic transportation network, nothing more.

Certainly Sardinia is poor, but to "Let it fail" ???? By this reasoning do we advocate abolishing the Scottish Executive Council's subsidies to airlines like easyJet for their flight Edinburgh-Geneva, or Eastern Airways for their Inverness-Newcastle?
Or Ferries receiving almost 2 million Pounds a month to offer ferry service to the outlying Scottish islands....should we just cut that off because that 14 million pounds would best be spent somewhere else in the UK? When was the last time anything of substance came out of Benbecula and Papa Westray anyway? (Has the subsidy been extended to Loganair?, I know they were wanting one.....)

One easyJet is not going to bring about any kind of recovery to Sardinia.

If the Republic of Italy's treatment of Sardinia is "Good Money After Bad", then they should grant independence to them now shouldn't they?
But that is not going to happen. As long as Sardinia is part of Italy, the government should do everything in its power to protect its Sardinian citizens.
So for now, the the PSO flights remain. For the better of Sardinia.
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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 12, 2006 7:56 pm

Hi All,

There should be a courtcase today, anyone here who has more info on that?

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RE: Enac Blocks Ryanair's Italian Flights

Fri May 12, 2006 8:31 pm

There was yesterday:
This is an article of yesterday evening basically saying that the TAR (Tribunale Amministrativo Regionale) of the region Lazio (the italian court competent on the issue) ALLOWED Alitalia with NO RESTRICTION - so no need to codeshare flights with Meridiana - flights to/from Sardinia, while BANNED RYANAIR from this service. This is as of May 11th, 2006, hr. 19:49.
Nothing specified about times of validity/expiration.

The article (ansa.it, in Italian):

http://www.ansa.it/main/collezioni/m...s_economia/2006-05-11_1119957.html

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