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LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 7:11 pm

The controversial lease of a Hapag-Lloyd A300-600 by Swiss should have started this week. Any photos of it yet?
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:11 pm

In this thread in a Swiss aviation forum are some pictures of D-AIAX in ZRH among other pictures.
But the pics are not from me.
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:17 pm

Will she be getting full SWISS livery?
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:17 pm

I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
Will she be getting full SWISS livery?

negative, it will be in the same livery as today  Sad

Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

haha me neither! i don't know if anybody is happy with this solution! Even the employees of LX hate or don't like it  Smile - plus the pilot can't fly their popular rotation to NBO and DAR  Wink but that's not important from the financial view
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:40 pm

Thery could have leased a 767-200 (although we know Swiss has never been keen on boeing nor has Swissair) or more simply, another A330.....
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:42 pm

You people are living in your own little dreamworld.

The A300 is the ideal plane for the routes Swiss want it for, and there are no more A330s around that are available on suitable terms. The A300-600R is not an old plane really, and will be in good condition before they use it on Swiss routes.

For someone to say that they are so old and obsolete and that they wouldnt fly on one because of this, is madness. They are extremely safe, comfortable, reasonably modern, and very reliable. They offer excellent cargo and pax capacity uplift over routes that dont require the range of the A330/40. It makes excellent sense - but if you dont want to fly them because they are not super modern like the 777 or a340, then thats up to you, but having flown A300s many, many times - i can tell you they are very nice planes to fly on.
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 8:44 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
or more simply, another A330.....

There is no A330 (esp. A332 for LX) on the leasing market.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
although we know Swiss has never been keen on Boeing nor has Swissair

Why that? SR was launch customer of the B743.
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 7):
Why that? SR was launch customer of the B743.

I don't think SR were anti-Boeing as much as they were pro-McD. Their short-haul fleet was DC-9s and then MD-80s; their long-haul fleet DC-8s, DC-10s, MD-11s and the seven (over the years) 747s they bought. The A310s they had were designed largely to their specification and there wasn't a really comparable Boeing plane available. Then the MD-80s were replaced by A320s (not 737s) and SR slipped firmly into the Airbus camp with orders of A330s and A340s following. They were happy enough to get 757s and 767s for their Balair subsidiary.
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Wed May 03, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
Thery could have leased a 767-200 (although we know Swiss has never been keen on boeing nor has Swissair)

After the crash of SR111 (MD11 - HB-IGF), Swissair leased a B763 to overcome the temporary capacity shortage. The aircraft was deployed on the ZRH-BOS route.
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 1:38 am

I noticed on the press release that the plane will have a business class. My question is if Swiss will use the existing seats on the plane or install their own seats?

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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 2:06 am

as for as i know the don't sell all Y seats availible, so they can take some extra cargoload. also the LX292/293 to NBO and DAR is not bookable for staff during summer season...

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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

Why obsolete aircraft, it is not much older than most 757s and 767s flying around. Do not mix up the A300B2 and the older B4s versions with the -600.
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 11:02 am

I'm simply astounded at the repeated insistance of some people on these forums that any aircraft that is not practically fresh off the line is obsolete. The A300 is a fine aircraft with excellent cargo capacity, and moreover a prime choice for LX to suit these particular routes. So the aircraft may not be a spring chicken any longer, but as long as it has been properly maintained it is a safe, reliable, and modern way of getting from point A to point B. I have flown with LX on their A332's before across the pond, and both trips were a pleasurable experience. I am sure that they will seek to outfit this A300 to be commensurate with the rest of their medium/long haul aircraft.
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 1):
In this thread in a Swiss aviation forum are some pictures of D-AIAX in ZRH among other pictures.

The link is broken.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
SR111 (MD11 - HB-IGF)

Make that HB-IWF. HB-IGF was this bird:

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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
Swissair leased a B763 to overcome the temporary capacity shortage.

I presume that 763 came from Balair, right?
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
The A310s they had were designed largely to their specification and there wasn't a really comparable Boeing plane available.

The 767-200 was rather comparable, while the 757 had superior economics with less cargo capacity.
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
I presume that 763 came from Balair, right?

As far as I remember, it came from somewhere in Italy. Balair was still operating its A310s back in 1998 when SR111 went down.
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 4:25 pm

I can't find the pictures...
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 4:59 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
The link is broken.

Here is another thread with a picture inside.
But there is not much to see especially since the D-AIAX is still in the normal Hapag-Lloyd c/s.

Greets
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

Oh man. The A300-600R is still in production. I don't know the age of the Hapag Lloyd machine, but the A300-600R is not an obselete aircraft. I bet none of them have been scrapped yet (whereas 767s are starting to get turned into Coke cans...not that the 767, especially the 763, is obselete either).
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 6:58 pm

It's not so much that the aircraft is obsolete but that seating is tighter, it has payload restrictions and no inflight entertainment in both classes. In C-Class pasengers are handed a portable DVD player. In eco it's simply tough luck!
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Thu May 04, 2006 7:21 pm

D-AIAX is actually a Lufthansa aircraft and has still LH seats... It is leased out to Hapag Lloys who now wetleased it to Swiss.

Plane was built in 1996 (cn 773), has its first flight on 13th November 1996, delivered to LH on 30th December 1996.... Well, yeah very old plane  Wink So some people even have to avoid to fly on many A320's and avery singele 737 OG...

LH's A300 are in excellent condition, and I love it everytime to fly on them on the HAM-FRA route... Big grin

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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Sun May 07, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 21):
LH's A300 are in excellent condition, and I love it everytime to fly on them on the HAM-FRA route...

Well yeah, but HAM-FRA is just a bit shorter than ZRH-NBO or ZRH-SSG. But only just  Wink

I'm sure the plane really is in mint condition. I just don't think its suitable for the routes LX is operating it on from the perspective of passenger comfort, especially seeing as the LX C-Class product on the flights to SSG is competing with the AF Dedicate service.
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 20):
no inflight entertainment in both classes

That must be airline specific then because when I flew with Monarch in 1993 we had IFE then.

I must admit though they do cram seats in but I think its a nice aircraft and would love to fly on one again sometime.

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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Sun May 07, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 4):
Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I would not like to fly an A300 nowadays, and I am a bit shocked that Swiss flies such an obsolete a/c

haha me neither! i don't know if anybody is happy with this solution! Even the employees of LX hate or don't like it - plus the pilot can't fly their popular rotation to NBO and DAR but that's not important from the financial view

OMG.. what kind of bubble do you live in?  Wow! You'd think they had leased a clapped out IL86 or B707 by what you say. In the real world, passengers and employees of airlines dont obsess over whether its an A306 or an A332. They just dont. And the A306 isnt particularly old and certainly isnt obsolete.
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Mon May 08, 2006 3:23 am

I flew Lufthansa's A300-600s multiple times last year and they are very decent aircraft and visually in great shape, inside and out. The interior doesn't look significantly different than on their A330/A340 aircraft, and actually most passengers won't be able to tell whether they were bording an A330-200 or an A300-600. The most significant difference is the better legroom on the A300 and the more comfortable, grey-leather Y class seats.

I'm going to fly FRA-DOH-DXB next saturday on an Qatar Airways A300-600, which is one of the longer legs for an A300, and I'm no way concerned about it, actually I think the A300 is still one great aircraft. Qatar is flying A300s and A332s on that route, and I couldn't care less about the aircraft type in this case.

Actually as they are getting rare and the A330 is a very common aircraft type by now, I'm always pleased to get a chance to fly on one of the earlier generation aircraft those days, the A300, A310, DC10, MD11 and B757 in particular.
 
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RE: LX A300: Any Photos Yet?

Mon May 08, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 25):
I'm going to fly FRA-DOH-DXB next saturday on an Qatar Airways A300-600, which is one of the longer legs for an A300, and I'm no way concerned about it, actually I think the A300 is still one great aircraft. Qatar is flying A300s and A332s on that route, and I couldn't care less about the aircraft type in this case.

I don't want to spoil your fun but I flew on the QR A. 300 from ZRH to DOH last September. Don't get me wrong, I like the A. 300 and QR are actually very good but to be honest, the flight to DOH was pure agony, it was so tight and cramped. By the time we arrived in DOH my legs were all sore. I'd definitely fly QR again any time, just as long as it's not on the A. 300.

A friend of mine working for QR in ZRH told me that QR had recognised the problem and was thinking of removing a couple of seat rows but I don't know if they actually did that in the end.

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