flamedude707
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24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 12:16 pm

Watching 24 on monday night, i saw jack bauer hand himself from a pole in the baggage compartment and swing around. By doing that, it caused the whole plane to tip while flying. The plane was fairly large. Is it possible to do something like that in real life, and if it is, what exactly was he doing?
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting Flamedude707 (Thread starter):
Is it possible to do something like that in real life

If it's a relatively large glider made of balsa wood I can see Jack Bauer tipping the plane by shifting position.

Oh wait, Jack Bauer=superman! How could I forget?!? Yes it's possible!!!  biggrin 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 12:32 pm

I doubt he would be able to move a 727 by swinging in the baggage compartment, but I unfortunately missed this episode, first one missed all season. Damn finals.  Sad

BTW Anyone catch the reg for the 727 in the episode?

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khobar
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 12:35 pm

He yanked on the control cables.

Next thing you'll know he'll be playing the recording over the radio to ATC.
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 12:36 pm

Did not catch the reg, brown and white scheme -200, never seen a photo before. All in all some of it was realistic except for the 2 man crew on a 727 and regular pax config 72S doing a Charter VNY-Germany non-stop ! Next week's episode will continue on the 727 as it is attempeted to be shot down by US fighters under order of a very, very bad US President !

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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 3):
Next thing you'll know he'll be playing the recording over the radio to ATC.

Good thinking. Knowing him, that is what will happen. The he'll do some crazy stunt and escape.
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting Flamedude707 (Thread starter):
Watching 24 on monday night, i saw jack bauer hand himself from a pole in the baggage compartment and swing around. By doing that, it caused the whole plane to tip while flying. The plane was fairly large. Is it possible to do something like that in real life, and if it is, what exactly was he doing?

I watched an entire 767-400's worth of passengers rush to the left side of the plane, to gawk at the Grand Canyon, once (perfect skies, incredible light, definately a sight to see).

Plane didn't even flinch (nor, apparently, did the pilots).

If 160-some odd people can't tip a plane a good deal larger than Jack's 727, I don't think his chances are all that good ...  Smile

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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 4):
Did not catch the reg, brown and white scheme -200, never seen a photo before.

I noticed that the plane has the LAWA (Los Angeles World Airports) logo on the tail. I imagine it is owned by them, and earns revenue from time to time appearing in TV shows and films  Smile.

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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 1:46 pm

The original poster doesn't seem to understand what our hero did...Bauer was swinging from the elevator cables after cutting open the conduit between the yoke and the elevators, not simply shifting the plane with his weight.

Not saying it's possible (or that it isn't), just clarifying what was happening.
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 1:48 pm

Please......do a search before starting threads!!! This goes into Non-Aviation...come to think of it, there is already a '24' thread in Non-Aviation. I posted in there earlier this afternoon.

I move to have the mods delete this thread.
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
Please......do a search before starting threads!!! This goes into Non-Aviation...come to think of it, there is already a '24' thread in Non-Aviation. I posted in there earlier this afternoon.

I move to have the mods delete this thread.

I move to have you stop posting ill-informed posts. If anything, it should move to Tech/Ops due to the question having to do with the operations of the plane.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
The original poster doesn't seem to understand what our hero did...Bauer was swinging from the elevator cables after cutting open the conduit between the yoke and the elevators, not simply shifting the plane with his weight.

Back on topic, that makes more sense then just shifting weight around. Also, what did he use to manipulate the wires, and how much force would it take to effect the planes performance by pulling on them?

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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 2:07 pm

Newark777: excuse me?! Go look for yourself! There is already a '24' thread in Non-Aviation. Do a search for gawds sake! And the anwser on what the thread starter asked was already said in that same post I'm talking about.
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):

This is an aviation related thread, and there would be no reason to search in non-av for a similar thread. This is a unique aviation thread that is different from a general 24 thread in non-av, and should not be deleted. That is all I have to say, as I do not wish to hijack the thread away from the original topic.

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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 2:17 pm

Newark777: here is my proof:
"24" Tonight (by Boeingfanyyz Apr 25 2006 in Non Aviation)

Enjoy!
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
This is an aviation related thread, and there would be no reason to search in non-av for a similar thread. This is a unique aviation thread that is different from a general 24 thread in non-av, and should not be deleted. That is all I have to say, as I do not wish to hijack the thread away from the original topic.

Thank You. You took the words right out of my mouth.
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Thu May 04, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
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He accessed the cables, threw what I believe was a coat or something similar over them and swung from them with it (as you would from a cable ride).
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 8:53 am

Who is ready for TONIGHTS 24?! I know I am!! Will Jack get arrested finally or what? We will have to see! Im rooting for our humble hero: Jack Bauer!!
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 11:06 am

Tonight was, um, interesting in regards to aviation.
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 11:19 am

My question after tonight's episode is how would they get the plane off the freeway? I mean, it's not like it crashed into easily managed pieces that can be taken away by truck. It's all in one fully functional piece.

Has this ever happened in real life, and if so how did they get the aircraft off the freeway without having to break it down?
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting Bmiexpat (Reply 18):
My question after tonight's episode is how would they get the plane off the freeway? I mean, it's not like it crashed into easily managed pieces that can be taken away by truck. It's all in one fully functional piece.

Has this ever happened in real life, and if so how did they get the aircraft off the freeway without having to break it down?

what I want to know is if it's possible to stop a 727 going clearly over regular landing speed on 4000 ft of freeway and avoiding the overpass heh
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 12:13 pm

that was some decent CGI too

 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting AirNaskar380 (Reply 19):
what I want to know is if it's possible to stop a 727 going clearly over regular landing speed on 4000 ft of freeway and avoiding the overpass heh

I don't know why I even thought the plane would crash? I have a special alarm on my phone that goes off at 8pm every Monday night reminding me to suspend my disbelief cos 24 is about to start! I can't help but get far too over excited about it though!

[Edited 2006-05-09 05:21:38]
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 12:21 pm

what kind of 727 is it? it looks rather small last time i been on one
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 12:22 pm

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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting Litz (Reply 6):
If 160-some odd people can't tip a plane a good deal larger than Jack's 727, I don't think his chances are all that good

I dunno, I remember flying with some flight attendants who were restricted to narrowbody aircraft because of the risk of capsizing...  silly 
 
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 1:35 pm

Quoting Captainjon (Reply 22):
what kind of 727 is it?

i had the same question when i saw the first episode with that 727 in it, the camera angle kept changing, so of course i couldn't pinpoint that trademark midship door the -100 has, but, what gave it away were the baggage compartment doors. on the -100 they open inward, on the -200 they open outward, once i saw that, i knew it was a 727 stretch.
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 1:45 pm

I'm surprised the 727 didn't sustain any damage on that landing.

So now how do you get the plane back to the airport? Seems rather difficult to do at 4,000 ft of space. Maybe its now written off.
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RE: 24 On Monday Night

Tue May 09, 2006 3:10 pm

Jack should have used the ATC protocol to make a backup of the recording. Doh!

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