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Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Thu May 04, 2006 9:02 pm

Airbus has transferred one of its A380 promotional test aircraft to its Hamburg facility ahead of the Berlin ILA air show later this month.

The aircraft (manufacturer’s serial number 003) was transferred to the Airbus Deutschland Finkenwerder facility this week, where it will be painted for the show, which takes place in Berlin from 16 May.

Airbus is expected to present MSN003 in the livery of German national carrier Lufthansa when it performs demonstration flights at the show, similar to other airline colours presented at recent air shows.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...nsa+livery+for+ILA+Berlin+air.html

IIRC, MSN003 is not part of the flight-test program, and is scheduled to be the first aircraft delivered to SQ. Why would they paint this aircraft with LH livery, particularly when the SQ tail is already on there, when MSN004 is available in generic white livery, and was used for this purpose at Dubai and Singapore?

BTW, are MSN002 & MSN007 still at XFW, have either of them flown since the evacuation test?

[Edited 2006-05-04 14:06:03]
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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Thu May 04, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Why would they paint this aircraft with LH livery, particularly when the SQ tail is already on there

Can they use LH-decals on MSN0003 also ?
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Thu May 04, 2006 11:51 pm

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Thu May 04, 2006 11:55 pm

MSN003......Umm it states the aircraft is being transffered to have interior fitted & then return to Toulouse for customer flight testing....

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 3):
MSN003......Umm it states the aircraft is being transffered to have interior fitted & then return to Toulouse for customer flight testing....

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 12:21 am

Interesting, FI completely changed the content of the article since I started the thread as the following originally led the article and is now gone:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Airbus has transferred one of its A380 promotional test aircraft to its Hamburg facility ahead of the Berlin ILA air show later this month.

The aircraft (manufacturer’s serial number 003) was transferred to the Airbus Deutschland Finkenwerder facility this week, where it will be painted for the show, which takes place in Berlin from 16 May.

Airbus is expected to present MSN003 in the livery of German national carrier Lufthansa when it performs demonstration flights at the show, similar to other airline colours presented at recent air shows.

Perhaps the e-mail I sent did the trick. BTW, there wasn't any mention of MSN002 & 007 or cabin customization in the original version of the article.

[Edited 2006-05-04 17:32:44]
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Fri May 05, 2006 12:54 am

Interesting to see if the tail will be repainted like the one sported on 004.
 
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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 5:52 am

I doubt that we see the A-380 in LH livery at the ILA until I see it myself. EK is the biggest 380 customer and SQ the launching customer...LH is just a small light as the ILA is under the major air shows.

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
LH is just a small light as the ILA is under the major air shows.

But the small light annouced the need for more large planes.

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Fri May 05, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 8):
But the small light annouced the need for more large planes.

Yes, but do you think that they haven't already decided or will change decision when seeing the A-380 in own colors. We only can wait and see what happens. I would be more happy to have the A-380 in Airbus than in LH colors as the last one will be a common sight in a few years.

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
LH is just a small light

I would hardly say that they are a small light when they are the A380s second biggest customer.

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Fri May 05, 2006 12:56 pm

Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380!  Wink

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Fri May 05, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Interesting, FI completely changed the content of the article since I started the thread as the following originally led the article and is now gone:

That's what you get for getting up so earily in the morning to scoop the rest of us about the FI articles of the day  Big grin

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
when MSN004 is available in generic white livery,


Careful on the speculation there......

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
BTW, are MSN002 & MSN007 still at XFW, have either of them flown since the evacuation test?

No

[Edited 2006-05-05 09:04:05]
 
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Fri May 05, 2006 4:36 pm

It certainly would not be surprising to see the A380 in Lufthansa's colours at ILA Berlin . . . after all, this is one blue-chip airline that will be flying the A380.

Even Malaysia Airlines got its stickers on the A380 (F-WWOW) during the Asia Pacific Tour in November 2005!

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380! Wink

Let's rather say it's a French-German-British thing (in that order ...)
 
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Fri May 05, 2006 5:07 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 15):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380! Wink

Let's rather say it's a French-German-British thing (in that order ...)

I think that the Spanish will be annoyed with you.  Yeah sure  box 
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Fri May 05, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting Finkenwerder (Reply 13):
Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
BTW, are MSN002 & MSN007 still at XFW, have either of them flown since the evacuation test?

No

yes both are still there and no, didn't fly since their arrival.

MSN 002 is painted in Airbus hous colours and is parked outside the hangar on the apron...

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Fri May 05, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 17):
yes both are still there and no, didn't fly since their arrival.

MSN 002 is painted in Airbus hous colours and is parked outside the hangar on the apron...

WOW, IIRC, MSN002 first arrived at XFW in early November. Completing and ground testing the first cabin fit-out has taken more than six months?
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Fri May 05, 2006 7:05 pm

who will be the first to get these aircraft. I always thought it wa Qantas,but i have a feeling it is Singapore Airlines.
 
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Fri May 05, 2006 7:07 pm

Odd that the first article said that it was already transferred to XFW already, when it hasn't actually happened! Looks like they noticed their blooper and changed the article. And they changed the tone that MSN 3 was going to be painted in LH colours!

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 18):
WOW, IIRC, MSN002 first arrived at XFW in early November. Completing and ground testing the first cabin fit-out has taken more than six months?

Well as you said, it is the first cabin fit etc and that is there to find and solve all problems. And it's not like it's only got 120-odd seats like an A319!
 
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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Fri May 05, 2006 8:00 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 20):
Well as you said, it is the first cabin fit etc and that is there to find and solve all problems. And it's not like it's only got 120-odd seats like an A319!

There really should not be this type of delay in a properly engineered design. 120 seats or 500 seats.
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Fri May 05, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 21):
There really should not be this type of delay in a properly engineered design. 120 seats or 500 seats.

Who ever said 6 months was a delay?
 
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Fri May 05, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 22):
Quoting Glideslope (Reply 21):
There really should not be this type of delay in a properly engineered design. 120 seats or 500 seats.

Who ever said 6 months was a delay?

Anticipated test schedules and tasking has changed significantly since the last comprehensive article on the subject last December:

Completion of the first of two test A380s with fully furnished cabins is underway at Hamburg and the aircraft (MSN002) is due to return to flight testing in April ahead of operating a series of “early long flights” in May from Toulouse with Airbus personnel on board. “We will make a virtual first flight of the cabin of MSN002 in March on the ground with full passenger complement and ground infrastructure,” says Champion. Prior to this, a similar exercise will be undertaken using the “Cabin Zero” test rig in Hamburg with a limited number of passengers.

MSN002, which is tasked with 500h of flight testing, is being equipped with a 474-seat, three-class cabin. However, before being completed the cabin will be modified into a high-density 853-seat arrangement for the evacuation trial in around March, says head of A380 industrial design Michael Lau. “This will be achieved by removing bulkheads and galleys to incorporate the extra seats,” he says.

The fourth test A380, MSN007, is due to be ferried to Hamburg for its cabin installation in February, and is set to undertake the route-proving programme in around August. It will later be re-engined to conduct route proving of the Engine Alliance GP7200-powered version.


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...powers+on+through+flight-test.html

MSN007 ended up being used for the evacuation testing, not sure there was ever a news story explaining the reason for the change between 002 and 007.

Nevertheless, Tim Clark seems nervous about the current situation:

Clark also says Airbus faces “huge hurdles” to meet its April 2007 target to deliver the first Engine Alliance GP7200-powered A380, of which Emirates is launch operator. “I don’t believe for a moment it won’t be tough,” he says. “So far, it’s so good, but cabin integration is an enormous challenge. If it is looking to go beyond that time we have asked them to be as candid as possible with us. But nothing would surprise us.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+integrate+A350+technology+on.html
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Fri May 05, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting Aviasian (Reply 14):
Even Malaysia Airlines got its stickers on the A380 (

"Even"???

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 15):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Umm let's not forget Germany is also home to the manufacter of the A380! Wink

Let's rather say it's a French-German-British thing (in that order ...)

PAD, EK 413 wrote that Germany is also a home ... it's great to see that the "French plan" to call it a french baby didn't work  Smile

Quoting Fbk (Reply 19):
who will be the first to get these aircraft. I always thought it wa Qantas,but i have a feeling it is Singapore Airlines

It would be new to me, that QF would get the 1st 380. For me it always was SQ.
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Fri May 05, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 23):
Clark also says Airbus faces “huge hurdles” to meet its April 2007 target to deliver the first Engine Alliance GP7200-powered A380, of which Emirates is launch operator. “I don’t believe for a moment it won’t be tough,” he says. “So far, it’s so good, but cabin integration is an enormous challenge. If it is looking to go beyond that time we have asked them to be as candid as possible with us. But nothing would surprise us.”

Yes - note he's more worried about the cabin than wake separation or wing load limit test...
 
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Fri May 05, 2006 11:23 pm

Fbk

Reply 19, posted Fri May 5 2006 12:05:18 UTC+2 and read 1203 times:

who will be the first to get these aircraft. I always thought it wa Qantas,but i have a feeling it is Singapore Airlines.


SQ is the launch carrier purchasing I believe 15 A380's & 10 options, EK is the largest client with an order for 41 A380's + 2 A380F's taking the order to a total of 43 A380's purchased & let's not forget the "rumour" that EK might place another order for 50 A380-900's when Airbus confirm the go ahead for the -900 series.....QF is 3rd in line purchasing 12 A380's & taking out I believe 10 options....

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Sat May 06, 2006 4:43 am

to clarify,

MSN 003 is still in Toulouse, and is expected in Hamburg next week to begin cabin furnishing, before becoming the first aircraft to be handed over to a customer (Singapore) towards the end of the year.
MSN 005 will follow a short while afterwards, and become the second customer aircraft delivered this year (also Singapore).
MSN 002 has been used as a test bed for cabin furnishing, and has had (and has) just about every seating configeration being offered to customers, installed ready for Early Long Flight, as was previously mentioned these test flights use Airbus employees as the guinne pigs.
MSN 001 and 004 continue with the flight test programme out of Toulouse. After completing the evacuation tests, MSN 007 is now being prepared to join the flight test programme.
 
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Sat May 06, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting Barbarian (Reply 27):

So no repainting in LH colors?

All the other planes have been painted at TLS, why should they paint the LH one in XFW?

Quoting Barbarian (Reply 27):
first aircraft to be handed over to a customer (Singapore) towards the end of the year.

I thought delivery was postponed till next year?

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Sat May 06, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 24):
"Even"???

Yes . . . "Even" . . .

An earlier reply mentioned that it is doubtful Lufthansa will get her colours on the A380 during ILA Berlin. Since Malaysia Airlines (which actually does not even own the A380s it is destined to operate) has fewer aircraft on order and got its colours on the A380 during the Asia Pacific Tour of November 2005, Lufthansa with its well-respected branding should be a candidate for a make-over for the airshow. "Even" in this context is only meant to compare the size of the order . . . no need to read any further into it. Just plain simple English in the same vein the earlier poster compared the size of the Emirates order.

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Sat May 06, 2006 8:01 pm

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 28):
thought delivery was postponed till next year?

Nope, current plan is still the end of 2006 for the first two Singapore aircraft. Although bare in mind that the flight test programme is still ongoing, and the ELF tests are about to start, its possible that something could still pop up that could cause a minor delay to the programme. Unlikely at this stage but still a possibility.
 
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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Sat May 06, 2006 9:54 pm

I saw two livery make over studies at Lila Design's (non-official):

http://www.liladesign.com/afbeeldingen/Lufthansa-re-design.gif
 
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Sat May 06, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 23):
“We will make a virtual first flight of the cabin of MSN002 in March on the ground with full passenger complement and ground infrastructure,” says Champion. Prior to this, a similar exercise will be undertaken using the “Cabin Zero” test rig in Hamburg with a limited number of passengers.

Has the "virtual first flight" test taken place, I haven't seen any recent media reports about this?
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Sun May 07, 2006 1:58 am

Maybe the one at XFW will be this one
Will A380 Be In Virgin Colours On Heathrow Visit (by HARLEYF150 Apr 29 2006 in Civil Aviation)  Wink

I think in less than one week we'll know if there is a LH colored 380 or not.

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Sun May 07, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 32):
Has the "virtual first flight" test taken place, I haven't seen any recent media reports about this?

No, not yet.


Also, don't be suprised if there are fly-by's of the AUK Filton and Broughton sites on the 18th.
 
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Mon May 08, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 15):
Let's rather say it's a French-German-British thing (in that order ...)

Oh S*** .. I forgot .... then let's make it French-German-British-Spanish undertaking. Mea Culpa!

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 24):

PAD, EK 413 wrote that Germany is also a home ... it's great to see that the "French plan" to call it a french baby didn't work Smile

Well, they do the final assembly, but "we" and the Brits manufacture the majority of parts. But I guess the important thing is that nobody could build it on his own ...

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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Mon May 08, 2006 5:28 pm

MSN 003 arrived in XFW yesterday (Sunday) at 15:01 local time. All a bit of a surprise it came on a Sunday and no one really knew about it (well outside of A380 programme that is).

Quoting Barbarian (Reply 34):
Also, don't be suprised if there are fly-by's of the AUK Filton and Broughton sites on the 18th.

 checkmark  That has been confirmed (flying past there before going to LHR)
 
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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Mon May 08, 2006 6:26 pm

Hmmm, okay here goes.....

A380 manufactered in France,Germany,UK,Spain,China,Australia.......

What other countries can we add to the list  Wink

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Mon May 08, 2006 6:29 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 37):

What other countries can we add to the list

The US, as American firms can make up a significant (in some cases as high as 50%) portion of the A380s parts.
 
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Mon May 08, 2006 6:29 pm

Quoting Barbarian (Reply 34):
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 32):
Has the "virtual first flight" test taken place, I haven't seen any recent media reports about this?

No, not yet.

Flight International (05/09/06) is reporting that Airbus expects to undertake a 5hr "virtual first flight" in Hamburg this week using the 474 seat cabin installed in MSN002.
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Tue May 09, 2006 1:31 am

Cabin-equipped A380 lined up for ‘virtual flight’

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...%80%98virtual+flight%e2%80%99.html
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Tue May 09, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 40):
Cabin-equipped A380 lined up for ‘virtual flight’

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles....html

The article says that this A380 is equipped for 474 seats. Is this equipped as per customer requirements? Which customer is this for?
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 39):
Flight International (05/09/06) is reporting that Airbus expects to undertake a 5hr "virtual first flight" in Hamburg this week using the 474 seat cabin installed in MSN002.

Sounds like they may be doing the virtual first flight this week. Not sure who they will use for this, I guess it will be volanteers as per the evac test. Cant imagine them allowing 474 Hamburg employees to have 5 hours off! you never know though  Big grin Nothing has been published internally asking for volanteers for the ELF yet.

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 41):
The article says that this A380 is equipped for 474 seats. Is this equipped as per customer requirements? Which customer is this for?

This isnt a particular customer layout. Basically they have installed every seating option being offered to the customers for the purpose of the tests. Very heavy on first and business as a result.
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting Barbarian (Reply 42):
Quoting Blrsea (Reply 41):
The article says that this A380 is equipped for 474 seats. Is this equipped as per customer requirements? Which customer is this for?

This isnt a particular customer layout. Basically they have installed every seating option being offered to the customers for the purpose of the tests. Very heavy on first and business as a result.

After taking a good look at the diagram of the cabin layout, even at 474 seats, the cabin still seems "cattle carish" to my taste.
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RE: Airbus Transfers A380 To Hamburg - LH Livery?

Tue May 09, 2006 10:57 pm

The 474 seat count is pretty close to what Singapore Airlines is going to configure their A380's with.

www.a380.singaporeair.com
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:39 am

In that diagram, the front economy seats appear to be 2-4-2 and the rear economy seats are 3-4-3. Is the 2-4-2 something like a premium economy?
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 45):
In that diagram, the front economy seats appear to be 2-4-2 and the rear economy seats are 3-4-3. Is the 2-4-2 something like a premium economy?

Maybe due to the width of the forward fuselage?

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Wed May 10, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 46):
Maybe due to the width of the forward fuselage?

From the diagram, it doesn't appear to taper at that cross section. And the economy is well behind the business class seats, so cabin width doesn't appear to taper in the economy section in the front.

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