Bicoastal
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Head(s) Rolling At United

Fri May 05, 2006 11:12 am

Just heard that United canned its Senior VP of Operations and brought in the guy who has been revitalizing its cargo division. Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least. Old planes, lack of working ground equipment, uncompetitive salaries and wages resulting in a lack of manpower...among many other systemic problems. Good luck to the new guy....he'll need it.
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Fri May 05, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Thread starter):
Just heard that United canned its Senior VP of Operations and brought in the guy who has been revitalizing its cargo division. Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least. Old planes, lack of working ground equipment, uncompetitive salaries and wages resulting in a lack of manpower...among many other systemic problems. Good luck to the new guy....he'll need it.

Gee!!!! It is too bad they didn't get Mr Tilton, there is one CEO that made out of Bankruptcy like a bandit and needs some time in the "gulag" for such grandstanding!
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Fri May 05, 2006 11:29 am

How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days? I haven't seen one in quite some time.
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Fri May 05, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days? I haven't seen one in quite some time.

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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Fri May 05, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting Bicoastal (Thread starter):
Just heard that United canned its Senior VP of Operations and brought in the guy who has been revitalizing its cargo division. Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least. Old planes, lack of working ground equipment, uncompetitive salaries and wages resulting in a lack of manpower...among many other systemic problems. Good luck to the new guy....he'll need it.

Nice try, but actually his position was eliminated as a result of UA merging FF and CG operations. He declined to take another position at UA, so he is out the door.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days? I haven't seen one in quite some time.



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 3):
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Give it a year or so and that could change. I'd look for UA to wet-lease some cargo lift in the interim.
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Fri May 05, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 4):
Give it a year or so and that could change. I'd look for UA to wet-lease some cargo lift in the interim.

I don't think they can, I believe it's prohibited by the remaining scope language in the pilot's CBA.
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Sat May 06, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
How many a/c does UA devote to its cargo ops these days?

No cargo-only planes, but UA carries a huge amount of cargo on all the widebodies, especially in the Pacific.
 
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Sat May 06, 2006 11:40 pm

When's Tague out the door? The sooner, the better for UA.
 
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Sun May 07, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Thread starter):
Seems like the previous guy couldn't get the operation running as efficiently as the MBA bean counters thought he should....on paper at least

Is this the statement made by UA or is this your take on the situation? Does having an MBA automatically make a manager a bean counter? Just wondering.
 
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Sun May 07, 2006 1:23 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 8):
Is this the statement made by UA or is this your take on the situation? Does having an MBA automatically make a manager a bean counter?

Most MBA's are looked upon by workers as either bean counters or suits. The often have little regard for the businesses they are supposed to improve. As Dilbert would point out, those are the guys who launch companies into death spirals. They usually transform the company into a cult first.
 
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RE: Head(s) Rolling At United

Mon May 08, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 9):
Most MBA's are looked upon by workers as either bean counters or suits. The often have little regard for the businesses they are supposed to improve. As Dilbert would point out, those are the guys who launch companies into death spirals. They usually transform the company into a cult first.

That is a ridiculous statement. It is ignorant, insulting, inappropriate, and wrong. In some industries, management is looked upon poorly, yes. But that does not mean they have little regard for the businesses they try to improve. The people who think that often have little, if any, knowledge of the levers that need to be pulled to grow a business and just can't stand that the interests of the business overall are not perfectly inline with theirs. Or, more than likely the interests of the businesses ARE inline with theirs, they are just too blind to see it, and so resist for the sake of resisting and short-term benefit.

Time and time again, it is THIS attitude that kills good companies.

(I'm not defending airline management and their golden parachutes, but this is a gross generalization and completely uncalled for)