highliner2
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US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 8:10 am

After seeing the new scheme in person this week I have to say, it looks pretty good IMHO, anybody know when the first 737 will get the new look?
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 8:16 am

I thought that none of the 737's were getting the new color scheme.... since they were transitioning to an all Airbus fleet.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 8:26 am

Well soon you will see some 737's in the new colors because the HP planes will be painted. The 737's will be around for a while yet, no word on whether or not US will phase them out entirely. We just placed an order for EMB-190's so I guess we won't be all Airbus.
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 2):
Well soon you will see some 737's in the new colors because the HP planes will be painted. The 737's will be around for a while yet, no word on whether or not US will phase them out entirely. We just placed an order for EMB-190's so I guess we won't be all Airbus.

I'm surprised that we haven't seen many of the HP non-busses getting painted up in the new livery. I think the 737 will be one of the best looking planes in the new colors. Of course, I'd be willing to bet the EMBs will wear it nicely too!
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 10:35 am

From what I hear, the 737's will be the last a/c painted. It's a shame, because some of the US planes are looking pretty sorry.  Sad
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 1:41 pm

There is an interesting rumor floating around at US/HP. Don't think that Boeing is just done there yet!!!!
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 5):
There is an interesting rumor floating around at US/HP. Don't think that Boeing is just done there yet!!!!

What rumor are you speaking of?
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 1:49 pm

Is this the 757 rumor, or the 787 rumor? I've heard both.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 1:51 pm

Mah584jr...All I can tell you is that the Boeing folks have been spending a lot of time in Tempe for the past 30 days.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 5):
There is an interesting rumor floating around at US/HP. Don't think that Boeing is just done there yet!!!!

may sound crazy...but could they ever consider new 767s??
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 3:34 pm

UsAirways16bwi...Although the 767 would fit the US system quite well, your talking about an aircraft that is in it's twilight. If it were not for freighter orders by existing operators (i.e. LAN & ANA) and JAL, the 76 line would be done. It is also being held on for the possible USAF tanker deal. Don't get me wrong...The 76 is still a great money maker, but is technologically obsolete with it's design dating back to the 1970's. Making a a capital investment in an aircraft of this type would not be a wise move when there are far more advanced aircraft available.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 10):
Although the 767 would fit the US system quite well, your talking about an aircraft that is in it's twilight. If it were not for freighter orders by existing operators (i.e. LAN & ANA) and JAL, the 76 line would be done. It is also being held on for the possible USAF tanker deal. Don't get me wrong...The 76 is still a great money maker, but is technologically obsolete with it's design dating back to the 1970's. Making a a capital investment in an aircraft of this type would not be a wise move when there are far more advanced aircraft available.

All true, just like the 757, and the 717. Both great planes that were cut. Very bad decisions from boeing. You would think boeing would re-consider when airlines show great interest in those planes. 767 has served US well over the years, and true that its reaching its endpoint. Maybe with newer cockpit technology and a few touch ups here and there, it could work. I know...wishful thinking..but oh well. Maybe if boeing were as loyal to their customers as their customers are to them, things might be different.

What about second hand 762s? Any on the market?

As for the n/c 737..i think it will look stunning. When airlines that have 737s in their fleet get new liveries, the 737s are the ones that look really good. Especially if the livery is that of US.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 6:55 pm

I think the 737's will look great in the US livery.... I finally saw an A320 with it a few weeks ago when I was at DFW and the livery looks so much better in person than it does in pictures I think...



Quoting UsAirways16bwi (Reply 11):
All true, just like the 757, and the 717. Both great planes that were cut. Very bad decisions from boeing. You would think boeing would re-consider when airlines show great interest in those planes

While you might think it was a "bad decision" to cut the 717 and 757... it was the right thing to do at the right time. Customers weren't exactly flocking to the either of them..... in retrospect Continental didn't really start to appreciate the 753 until Boeing had decided to end production, thus taking the majority of the ATA ones. But other than that no orders were placed for either the 717 or 757 for quite some time when they were cut.

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 8):
Mah584jr...All I can tell you is that the Boeing folks have been spending a lot of time in Tempe for the past 30 days.

A 739ER would be rather nice in US colors...  Smile

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sat May 06, 2006 7:36 pm

There was also a 777 rumour floated, though I have absolutely no idea how valid that is, and whether that would be too much plane for US?! Personally, I'd be happy if they can afford to get any new planes, and I do think the A350 would look good in US' livery!
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 12):
A 739ER would be rather nice in US colors...

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 1:16 am

I thought USAirways said they wouldn't buy new Boeings again because of the aftermath of the Pittsburgh crash...
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 1:35 am

if someone could shed some light on what this boeing rumor is all about i'd be grateful, have heard about it in a few other places including work but no one has any specifics....


finally, while the 737s would look great in our fleet and our colors i don't think that they will be painted any time soon... sadly.
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 1:45 am

Boeing Shortchanged the 717 and the 757 for thier baby the 737. The 757 is just starting to show it's true capabilitys and an NG version with bleedless engines primarily for international may not be a bad Idea. As for the 717 Boeing screwed that plane on Purpose by not marketing it and not giving it the range it could have had. Plus the 717-300 that LH and Airtran wanted was screwed by boeing because they refused to give it Transcon US range. It was all boeings doing to screw those aircraft. I think if the 757ng was considered it would complement the 787 well. Just my 2 cents.

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 2:04 am

Can anyone expand upon what the Boeing rumor consists of?
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 3:31 am

They must not be in too big a hurry to transition to ALL Airbus. They just took delivery of a couple ex-ATA 757's.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting CX747 (Reply 18):
Can anyone expand upon what the Boeing rumor consists of?

Yes, quite. I hadn't heard this before. Is it a bit like AA and Airbus after one of their A300s crashed?
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 20):
Yes, quite. I hadn't heard this before. Is it a bit like AA and Airbus after one of their A300s crashed?

No. There is no indication that US won't buy Boeing again. If they were that worried, they could have retired their 737s a long time ago. The AA thing is true, as both sides have been hurling blame at each other for nearly 5 years now. Boeing accepted responsiblity for the rudder issue and fixed it.
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
No. There is no indication that US won't buy Boeing again

That's what I thought. Just what is the US rumour anyway?
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting PennPal (Reply 15):
I thought USAirways said they wouldn't buy new Boeings again because of the aftermath of the Pittsburgh crash...

I believe that was a statement from the old US Airways, but Mr. Parker never chose one over the other publicly see we cannot conclude that the new US will be all Airbus.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 4:29 am

In fact, did'nt Parker state publicly that US would be keeping all their options open?
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Boeing accepted responsiblity for the rudder issue and fixed it.

After years of blaming US and the pilots of 427...

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 3:21 pm

It would be nice to see US put in an order for a mix of 73G's and 738's. Now those would look great in the new US colors! I know, I know......I can dream, can't I???
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 3:54 pm

As someone who is a Chairmens level flyer on US, I would love to see the airline buy some planes from Boeing! The last regime there went to Airbus for the narrow bodies because Airbus gave them away! They look and feel cheap. They then made the widebody decision for the A330 when they had a chnace to buy 777's. Why? The former President wanted to curry favor with the European community to begin their push into overseas routes. I can say the reliability of the 330's are poor. Dirty, broken seats in Envoy, lavs that break all the time, etc. US98 to GAT is late about 98% of the time. I fly them often and I will happily take their older 767's any day. I am also upset by the fact that more and more flights are on regionals-they need to put better and newer planes on longer routes. While they are at it they should improve the whole operation at PHL like about 5000%!!!!
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting PennPal (Reply 15):
I thought USAirways said they wouldn't buy new Boeings again because of the aftermath of the Pittsburgh crash...

I too would think that whatever animosity existed previously is long since gone following the merger.

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 10):
Although the 767 would fit the US system quite well, your talking about an aircraft that is in it's twilight. If it were not for freighter orders by existing operators (i.e. LAN & ANA) and JAL, the 76 line would be done.

I thought LAN and JAL both recently ordered some passenger versions. In any event, given a short delivery cycle, "value pricing", and fleet commonality, I would think a 763ER could be a nice interim lift option for US. Certainly the price would be a huge consideration, but if Boeing wants to get an extra year or so out of the line, they could whip up a 2-3 a year for the next few years to bridge the gap to the next A330 deliveries.

Maybe GECAS could be the third party to make it all happen?  Smile

Quoting Cumulonimbus (Reply 17):
It was all boeings doing to screw those aircraft.

Probably true, but they were Boeing's to screw with. Even if the 757 line was still open, I really wonder how many more they would have sold. I know that CO is mentioned in regards to the 753, but more than 8-10 doesn't seem plausible. With the 739ER waiting in the wings, it was really the right time to do it.

Also, with the state of the world in that period, with everything hitting the airlines in quick succession, Boeing probably felt that simplifying the product line would be a better way of managing their resources. The less product lines you have, the easier to manage the peaks and valleys. I mean, how many times do you want to go to producing just one or two of a given model per month? It's easier to take the 737NG from 14 to 10 (or 21 or whatever) than deal with all the different lines they had before.

BTW, did anyone suggest above when the first 737 might get the new scheme?

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 28):
BTW, did anyone suggest above when the first 737 might get the new scheme?

Try sometime in 2008.
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 5:15 pm

Hardly, the HP 737s will start seeing new paint in 2007. Over half the HP Airbuses have already been painted, last I heard.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Cityguy (Reply 27):
They look and feel cheap.

I honestly fail to see how an airbus can look/feel 'cheaper' than any other plane. If your really that bothered, fly AA
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Sun May 07, 2006 11:38 pm

Well Mr. Timboflier-

1-It was a comment that contains my opinion. Free world!
2-I have over 500K miles on Airbus planes and I see more broken seats, plastic trays, overheads, galley's and bathroom parts that I see on a Boeing.
3-In many conversations I have had with maintenance people and flight staff they concur.
4-My favorite example is a flight from LAX to PHL delayed 5 hrs because the plastic toilet broke and there was no commonality between the A319/20/21 so we had to wait for them to fine a new toilet-and from what the Captain told me this happens all the time..or the time we waited for an hour for the maintenance crew to show in PHX to duct tape an overhead shut-and oh yes, the time I ws delayed 4 hrs at ORD because the floor on a UA319 began to LIFT and separate from the subfloor or whatever is underneath!
5-I fail to see why you should comment on this or why you get defensive. I have hesitated to start posting because of theis reason-people who say stupid things to ones simple comments and opinions.

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 28):
I too would think that whatever animosity existed previously is long since gone following the merger.

Yes I agree. I don't think any Boeing aircraft are order right now, so where are we going with this?
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 8):
All I can tell you is that the Boeing folks have been spending a lot of time in Tempe for the past 30 days.

Boeing has a plant out in Mesa near Falcon Field.

I suspect they're just heading to Mill Ave (in Tempe) for lunch.  

Yeah I know that the Falcon Field folks aren't Boeing Commercial Aviation, but you weren't specific as to which Boeing folks.

[Edited 2006-05-07 17:26:36]
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting Cityguy (Reply 32):

I apologise - I did not mean to seem defensive. It just appeared to be yet another example of an anti-A or an anti-B post which are all too prevalent on these boards. It is, of course, right for people to post personal opinions, if these are backed up with evidence, which i can now see your own to be. I had not heard of Airbus planes being more 'fragile' or prone to minor, but irritating, maintenance problems before. I wonder if other airlines have found this, or if it is US' maintenance staff which are at fault? I apologise once again if I caused any offence or made you hesitate to post in the future.

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Cityguy (Reply 27):
US98 to GAT is late about 98% of the time.

When did US start serving Gap, France?
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 4:00 am

Boeing has also has a hangar at Williams Gateway Airport (IWA), but that's for the defense side of the house, not commercial.
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 36):
When did US start serving Gap, France?

I'm quite certain he was referring to LGW.
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
Is this the 757 rumor, or the 787 rumor?

What's the 757 rumor? I'd love to see more in US' fleet & was happy to see that they picked up 3 ex-ATA ones recently.

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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 4:26 pm

Quoting Cityguy (Reply 27):
They then made the widebody decision for the A330 when they had a chnace to buy 777's. Why? The former President wanted to curry favor with the European community to begin their push into overseas routes. I can say the reliability of the 330's are poor. Dirty, broken seats in Envoy, lavs that break all the time, etc. US98 to GAT is late about 98% of the time.

I just want to tell that it is the airlines choice which seats they put into which aircraft. If US has cheap seats in Envoy it has nothing to do with the A330. The same with the cleaning of the aircrafts it is the airlines choice what amount they spent on the cleaning.
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 39):
What's the 757 rumor?

Simply put...more used 757-200s. I've heard numbers ranging from 8 to 15. Just rumors though.

[Edited 2006-05-08 09:30:31]
 
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RE: US 737s In New Colors

Mon May 08, 2006 10:42 pm

Cityguy, I'm a CP member as well, and I much prefer F class on the Airbus birds to the 737's. I've not flown an A333 yet (though I will when I fly to SJU), so I can't yet comment on C.

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