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UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 8:48 am

We just had a super-long thread on Continental battling Delta in New York City advertising. Do United and American have an intense ad rivalry in Chicago? Both have large hubs at O'Hare, though I think United is the winner in the battle for traffic. Do any of you know if UA or AA carries more passengers in Chicago?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting UAL#1fan (Thread starter):
Do United and American have an intense ad rivalry in Chicago?

I don't know for sure, and Chicagoans would definitely know more than me, but I would guess that it probably used to be more bitter and more intense. Both companies now have bigger fish to fry, in the macro sense and in Chicago in particular with Southwest, etc., so I don't think they really have as much need for duking it out with each other quite so intensely anymore. That being said, both do still remain competitive in the market, and that includes advertising and local marketing.

Quoting UAL#1fan (Thread starter):
Both have large hubs at O'Hare, though I think United is the winner in the battle for traffic. Do any of you know if UA or AA carries more passengers in Chicago?

United definitely has a much larger operation at O'Hare with more flights, carrying more passengers. However, American is still a strong #2, with a strong presence and a very competitive market position. American has a very strong corporate and individual following in the Chicagoland area, albeit not as big as United.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 8:58 am

I sure wish I could help you on passenger numbers. I have no idea.

I can tell you from observation that UA's operations seem MUCH larger larger at ORD than is AA. Everytime I have arrived/departed or transferred at ORD on United, the place makes Grand Central Station seem like a ghost town. Even at 6 AM (I have arrived after a red-eye from SAN at 4:30 AM!!) when it's just coming to life, it gets busy very quickly.

AA's terminal, however, never seemed crazy or chaotic to me. Maybe it's just a different feel. I'm not sure. Not that there were less flights or fewer people, just that it wasn't as fast-paced feeling.

My two cents.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
AA's terminal, however, never seemed crazy or chaotic to me. Maybe it's just a different feel. I'm not sure. Not that there were less flights or fewer people, just that it wasn't as fast-paced feeling.

It may also have something to do with the fact that AA's Terminal 3 is in the midst of a major, multi-year, multi-million-dollar renovation that is going to rework the ticketing lobby, curbside, security, etc.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 10:21 am

Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home. With AA adding more Trans-Pacific routes out of here and India, I assumed they were bigger in terms of passengers carried out of here and while pricing flights AA appeared to have more frequencies to places I wanted to go out of ORD.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home. With AA adding more Trans-Pacific routes out of here and India, I assumed they were bigger in terms of passengers carried out of here and while pricing flights AA appeared to have more frequencies to places I wanted to go out of ORD.

Well, United still kills AA in trans-pacific flights out of ORD...in terms of sheer frequency and destinations. AA does have plenty of frequency on most of their flights, mainly because they pretty much put MD-80's on every domestic route out of ORD...anywhere you wanna go from ORD, odds are you will get there on an MD-80:

SFO, SEA, LAX, DFW, LGA, DEN, DCA, etc...

whereas UA still flies a lot of larger aircraft on their routes (SFO, SEA, LAX, DEN, etc...).

They still have quite a bit of frequency on these, however.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 11:25 am

United's terminal is much more friendly and new in terms of eye candy for the passenger compared to American. A bonus to American that United doesnt have is that American Eagle arrives and departs out of Conourse G in Terminal 3 where AA is while United Express departs out of Terminal 2 concourse F.

However, I do notice a bigger presence of United than American.

Alliancewise, I see a bigger presence of Star Alliance in Chicago than Skyteam and OneWorld.

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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 11:28 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
whereas UA still flies a lot of larger aircraft on their routes (SFO, SEA, LAX, DEN, etc...).

I used to notice the same thing about DL and their 76's and L10's out of DFW.

Interesting correlation...
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 6):
United's terminal is much more friendly and new in terms of eye candy for the passenger compared to American.

And there's nothing quite like the underground walkway connecting Charlie and Bravo terminals at ORD...I fit in with the little kids staring at the neon lights :-P

UA by far a larger op at ORD than AA; many times more gates, lots of big a/c's (was there today, even in my limited time in the terminals I saw four UA 744s and countless 772s take off).
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 11:54 am

I don't know the official numbers, but United is the larger airline. Proportionally though more of AA's traffic is O/D than United's. United connects more people through ORD proprtionally. I can't substantiate these numbers, but I have been told that about 40% of AA's traffic is connecting traffic, while the number is much higher for United (but I can't be sure because all I remember is that one of my old coworker's brother is in charge of the ORD expansion project, so my information was quite shady and not reliable).

While living in the general vicinity of ORD (Rockford), I have noticed far more advertising by United. UA advertises that they are the home town airline and that they have more nonstop flights to more destinations. I think I have seen some AA billboards and newspaper ads, but United has way more advertising in the area. AA has particularly ugly billboards.

I fly United personally. I don't really like the fact that AA flies MD80s EVERYWHERE from ORD for domestic flights and if you are not on an MD80 then you are on an ERJ. Also United has higher frequency on almost every route and bigger planes. If I am flying to LAX would I want to fly a UA 777 with the chance to upgrade to their international business class product or a lousy AA MD80? The choice is easy. AA removed pillows and has no IFE on the MD80s, yet UA has IFE including channel 9 on all mainline flights.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 11:54 am

I think AA has roughly 500 daily flights compared to United having about 650 daily (this includes any express/eagle flights)
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 12:14 pm

This is not meant to turn into a U v A, because I could care less about either one... or about ORD. But some things just don't make sense...

Quoting Scrappy74 (Reply 8):
many times more gates

More... or "many times more". Very different.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
Proportionally though more of AA's traffic is O/D than United's. United connects more people through ORD proprtionally.
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I have noticed far more advertising by United.

Then it doesn't seem like their local advertising is working if AA has more O&D.

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UA advertises that they are the home town airline and that they have more nonstop flights to more destinations.

More flights... but according to the previous statement about AA having more O&D, doesn't seem like it's "home town" as much as "pass through here".
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting Utapao (Reply 11):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
Proportionally though more of AA's traffic is O/D than United's. United connects more people through ORD proprtionally.
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I have noticed far more advertising by United.

Then it doesn't seem like their local advertising is working if AA has more O&D.

I believe that United actually has more O/D passengers than AA in addition to having more connecting passengers. It is just the percentage of passengers on each airline is biased for AA having more O/D. United has a banked structure at ORD where they connect many people. AA has DFW to connect people in addition to ORD.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 6):
A bonus to American that United doesnt have is that American Eagle arrives and departs out of Conourse G in Terminal 3 where AA is while United Express departs out of Terminal 2 concourse F.

The advantage has nothing to do with terminal designation, really. F is a dump. G is one of the best regional facilities in the country. FWIW, once new face of O'Hare is done, I don't think one carrier will have a clear facility advantage. The AA ticketing lobby used to suck, but that is being rectified.

In my 20 years as a Chicagoan, I have seen plenty of advertising for UA and AA, but very little of it is directly competitive. Certainly nothing like what we have seen in NYC lately. My impression has always been that UA captures more of the local market, but in terms of who has more O&D as a percentage, I have no idea.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):

AA's terminal, however, never seemed crazy or chaotic to me. Maybe it's just a different feel. I'm not sure. Not that there were less flights or fewer people, just that it wasn't as fast-paced feeling.

it depends on when you go...AA's terminal can be a nightmare at times..such as early evening times...and early morning.....fortunately, as an AA-Platinum and Admiral's Club Member, I can usually avoid the turmoil... biggrin ...

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 6):
United's terminal is much more friendly and new in terms of eye candy for the passenger compared to American

its too big, especially when one has to go though the tunnel.....but I agree, it is nice than AA's terminal 3

Quoting Scrappy74 (Reply 8):
UA by far a larger op at ORD than AA; many times more gates, lots of big a/c's (was there today, even in my limited time in the terminals I saw four UA 744s and countless 772s take off).

AA has a large 777 operation out of ORD also....LHR, DEL, NRT, DFW, and now PVG...AA also has 767 services to MAN, FRA, CDG, LAX, SFO, and BRU....

but I agree..its nothing like UA's massive 744, 777, and 767 to everywhere....

oddly enough, AA and BA dominate the ORD-LHR route, with UA only providing three daily 777's...where as AA has either 4 or 5 daily flights (seasonal) and BA has 3 daily 777's or 2 daily 777's and 1 747 .....

also, UA relies on BD for its ORD-MAN flight, where as AA has a dialy ORD-MAN 767 flight

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
I fly United personally. I don't really like the fact that AA flies MD80s EVERYWHERE from ORD for domestic flights and if you are not on an MD80 then you are on an ERJ.

besides the routes I mentioned above, AA has tons of 757 flights..including LAX, MIA, SNA, MCO...

AA use to have 738's out of ORD, but switched them to MIA, as it was more cost effective to have one kind of crew-base, as opposed to having two (one for the MD-80 and one for the 737-800)

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
I don't think one carrier will have a clear facility advantage. The AA ticketing lobby used to suck, but that is being rectified.

still nothing to be bragging about..but its good nonetheless

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):

In my 20 years as a Chicagoan, I have seen plenty of advertising for UA and AA, but very little of it is directly competitive.

In my 30 years of living in metropolitan chicago, UA knocked the socks off of AA in terms of advertising.........and I agree..none really directly competitive..

even though I don't live in Chi'town any longer, I still hope they serve ORD-HKG, as UA has that route completely gangstered to itself....alternating between one or two 744's daily!!
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 2:46 pm

United has more departures and probably carrier more passengers. United also enjoys an advantage as Chicago's "hometown" airline.

But AA gives them hell....
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 3:55 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
but I would guess that it probably used to be more bitter and more intense.

Oh yes, there used to be quite a rivalry between the two at ORD for years, particularly from about 1984/85 to 1991/92, when RC, DL, WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW, and NW starting pulling down their large ORD ops. First the two squabbled over regional carriers, then over the ORD-NRT route. Bob Crandall was so incensed over losing that route case, he personally fired the lobbyist/executive in charge of getting the authority secured for AA. Remember, Stephen Wolf used to work for AA back in the late '60s-very early '80s. He was one of a bright corps of execs who later ran about half the industry. People like Tom Plaskett (CO/PA), Donald Lloyd-Jones (WA/QH), and Don Carty all worked for AA as mid-level execs all trying to gain C.R. Smith/Al Casey's support/attention to run AA. Crandall beat out all of them, including Wolf, who left AA in 1981 to work for PA as a VP. Don't forget, during Wolf's tenure at AA, he met another potential rising star in his future wife, Delores. She became the highest-ranking female in the business at the time, running AA's inflight division, but had to quit AA once Wolf took over UA in 1987.

When Wolf came to UA in 1987, he took some of Crandall's best people with him, John Pope, AA's CFO, came to UA in the biggest coup of all. The best way to learn about this rivalry is to read Hard Landing by Thomas Petzinger. A really great read. I've read through it more times than I can count. It really gives a good rundown on what really happened in the business from 1978-1995. Just about every airline is mentioned/involved in some way.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home. With AA adding more Trans-Pacific routes out of here and India, I assumed they were bigger in terms of passengers carried out of here and while pricing flights AA appeared to have more frequencies to places I wanted to go out of ORD.

Not a chance. United is significantly larger. You must have been looking at flights to DFW or MIA :-P

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
its too big, especially when one has to go though the tunnel.....

Given the number of flights, no it isn't. You must not have ever been to Denver.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sat May 06, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):

You must not have ever been to Denver.

no..I haven't..not yet...but UA's ORD terminal is too big for me at least....
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 1:15 am

Denver is monstrous.

It is seemingly neverending, you just keep walking...
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 19):
Denver is monstrous.

It is seemingly neverending, you just keep walking...

Denver is big, but as far as connections (to non Ted flights), Chicago is worse. It is a very long walk from say B22 to C3 that takes a good 15 minutes. It takes less time to walk the length of the B gates in DEN or C/D gates in IAD.

However one day when I had a 4 hour connection I decided to walk the length of ORD from the C gates in terminal 1 to the L gates in terminal 3 and it took about an hour each way. It is quite a walk. ORD's domestic terminals really are massive.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 2:45 am

I'm surprised no one has bothered to search this topic to find a long discussion take place about this same exact subject a few months ago.

For a very detailed analysis of the American and United hubs at Chicago check out the following document.
http://www.unisys.com/eprise/main/ad.../doc/Scorecard_Nov_Vol3_Issue2.pdf
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
Honestly, to me it seemed like AA was the bigger dog here even though this is Uniteds home.

That's crazy talk!

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
I fly United personally. I don't really like the fact that AA flies MD80s EVERYWHERE from ORD for domestic flights and if you are not on an MD80 then you are on an ERJ.

Yes, and yes! I loathe the transcon MD-80s! I'm surprised AA hasn't tried to ETOPS them out to Hawaii! (that's a joke, people)

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
its too big, especially when one has to go though the tunnel.....but I agree, it is nice than AA's terminal 3

Ditto the comment on DEN. I'd rather have a tunnel-separated concourse like DEN, ORD, even LAS than deal with AA's monsterous horseshoe at DFW. That thing never ends.


On a related note, for as cool as UA's Terminal 1 appears, I've noticed that it's in need of some tweaking. The concourses are a bit narrow considering they have so many concession carts strewn around. Most of the gate lobbies are also undersized; you can bank on at least 30-40 ppl standing due to a lack of seats, and, probably worst, is the size of the bathrooms. Half of them are really small (3-4 stalls/urinals), which results in lines for both men and women.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 20):
Denver is big, but as far as connections (to non Ted flights), Chicago is worse. It is a very long walk from say B22 to C3 that takes a good 15 minutes. It takes less time to walk the length of the B gates in DEN or C/D gates in IAD.

You do still have the Ted issue at DEN, which is slower because you have to wait for the train. Also, the fact that you can make the longest connections at ORD in 15 minutes is pretty impressive given the size of the operation.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 22):
I loathe the transcon MD-80s!

MD80s don't fly transcon
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:13 am

Laxintl:

Great document. Thanks for sharing! I had heard of this report and spent a good deal of time searching for it, but could not find it.

It's always great when people provide actual data, information, proof, etc., instead of just chest-thumping or spewing misinformation!

Thanks again!
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
MD80s don't fly transcon

Allow me to elaborate: I consider ORD-LAX/SJC transcon; it's just a tad under 2,000 miles or about 4 hours flying time.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 25):
Allow me to elaborate: I consider ORD-LAX/SJC transcon; it's just a tad under 2,000 miles or about 4 hours flying time.

Thing is, it isn't Transcontinental. For that you would have to transit from one end of the continent to the other and Lake Michigan is not the Atlantic  Wink
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
Lake Michigan is not the Atlantic

It isn't??
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):
It isn't??

No. Did I deflate something?  Silly
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
Thing is, it isn't Transcontinental. For that you would have to transit from one end of the continent to the other and Lake Michigan is not the Atlantic

Split hairs if you wish, but the definition of "transcon" doesn't necessarily mean you have to fly from one coast to the other - you need only fly across it. Regardless, I wouldn't be thrilled to fly an MD-8X on any of these AA routes:

AAL643 MD82 (KORD) - (KSEA) Sat 11:33AM CDT Sat 01:37PM PDT 04:04
AAL1247 MD82 (KORD) - (KLAX) Sat 12:34PM CDT Sat 02:32PM PDT 03:58
AAL1208 MD82 (KSJC) - (KORD) Sat 09:41AM PDT Sat 03:34PM CDT 03:53
AAL437 MD82 (KBOS) - (KDFW) Sat 03:00PM EDT Sat 05:52PM CDT 03:52
AAL1449 MD82 (KBOS) - (KDFW) Sat 11:59AM EDT Sat 02:51PM CDT 03:52
AAL1737 MD82 (KSTL) - (KLAX) Sat 10:38AM CDT Sat 12:23PM PDT 03:45
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
No. Did I deflate something? Silly

Maybe...
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:40 am

Instead of Transcon, the proper descriptor of such routes is "Midcon"
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:54 am

My flights on UA have always been much more comfortable than AA. I think both have been around in Chicago long enough for the majority of the regular fliers to have made their own decisions. As for the people that fly periodically, they are going for the most affordable, which depends on the time and day. I just booked ORD-EWR; AA had it for $89, along with FL, TZ and CO. UA was $370 or so. I waited a few days, the prices matched.

So, if you prefer one airline over another and have the time to wait, prices are going to be essentially the same.

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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 5):
anywhere you wanna go from ORD, odds are you will get there on an MD-80:

Was just about to say that about AA at ORD. In terms of AA only, it is MD80 city. I spent a weekend there and did quite a bit of spotting (lovely airport by the way) and cannot recall seeing a single AA 757, or anything other than MD80's for that matter.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
You do still have the Ted issue at DEN, which is slower because you have to wait for the train. Also, the fact that you can make the longest connections at ORD in 15 minutes is pretty impressive given the size of the operation.

If you want to get to the express gates at ORD, then you have to wait for the bus at gate C9 or take the long walk and it is a heck of a walk to the end of terminal two from the C gates.

But I do agree for the size of the operation ORD is very good. DFW's long horseshoes aren't very good (although I haven't seen it with the new train, so it might be better). ORD isn't bad for transitting on UA or AA since it is relatively compact, but it is really bad as far as weather delays go. People miss connections all the time and the spring/thunderstorms can cause delays up to 4 or 5 hours. The winter storms can be quite bad too, but at least Chicago isn't anywhere near as bad as the northeast as far as blizzards go.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 5:01 am

Anyone know about UA vs AA at LAX?
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting Onetogo (Reply 35):
Anyone know about UA vs AA at LAX?

It is similar to ORD. United is bigger, but not by that much. UA and AA are the two biggest of the legacy carriers, although Southwest is very high in number of passengers carried. UA has more international flights and flies larger planes into LAX.

There have been many threads on UA vs DL vs AA at LAX. A quick search will pull up the exact numbers but I think UA carries about 14 million and AA carries about 13 million. United does have the larger express operation.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 36):
There have been many threads on UA vs DL vs AA at LAX. A quick search will pull up the exact numbers but I think UA carries about 14 million and AA carries about 13 million. United does have the larger express operation.

It should probably be noted that UA's operations at LAX is much more connection-oriented. Apart from the MQ Saab flying (which provides connections for half of the legacies), AA is basically running an O&D operation. That's why UA says LAX is a hub and AA makes no such assertion.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Onetogo (Reply 35):
Anyone know about UA vs AA at LAX?

Mainline-only, AA and UA are virtually tied for #1. UA mainline has an LAX marketshare of 16.20%, while AA's mainline share is 15.03% -- a margin of just over 1% of market share. However, when UA Express vs. AA Eagle is factored in, UA's lead widens to, IIRC, about 3% of marketshare -- still not all that much considering that UA calls it a hub and AA doesn't. AA has grown by leaps and bounds at LAX since 2000. While DL and UA has continue to shrink, AA continues to grow.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 37):
It should probably be noted that UA's operations at LAX is much more connection-oriented. Apart from the MQ Saab flying (which provides connections for half of the legacies), AA is basically running an O&D operation.

True. AA's operation is more focused on O&D than UA's.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Onetogo (Reply 33):
Was just about to say that about AA at ORD. In terms of AA only, it is MD80 city. I spent a weekend there and did quite a bit of spotting (lovely airport by the way) and cannot recall seeing a single AA 757, or anything other than MD80's for that matter.

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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):

AA has a large 777 operation out of ORD also....LHR, DEL, NRT, DFW, and now PVG...AA also has 767 services to MAN, FRA, CDG, LAX, SFO, and BRU....

but I agree..its nothing like UA's massive 744, 777, and 767 to everywhere....

oddly enough, AA and BA dominate the ORD-LHR route, with UA only providing three daily 777's...where as AA has either 4 or 5 daily flights (seasonal) and BA has 3 daily 777's or 2 daily 777's and 1 747 .....

also, UA relies on BD for its ORD-MAN flight, where as AA has a dialy ORD-MAN 767 flight



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):

besides the routes I mentioned above, AA has tons of 757 flights..including LAX, MIA, SNA, MCO...
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 10:56 am

Back To The Windy City, the new United Ad Campaign is much bigger and I must say better, as their It's Time to Fly and its artsy metaphorical ads are much better, and United's operation is a lot better in terms of comfort and IFE as one isn't stuck on Mad Dog to Hell(Transcon) without IFE and low ceilings. I personally hate the MD80's but Uniteds 735's don't excite me either. United I believe has 1 or 2 more flights to LGA from ORD than AA. Yeah ETOPS certifying the MD80's would be great for those HNL flights, No Pillows and No IFE for nine hours. In terms of UA,AA vs, SWA most people in the NW,N Suburbs of Chicago would rather go to ORD as the fares are not much more, and personally I think Terminal 3 and Terminal 2 need more than a facelift. They seem so dark compared to T1 and everybody ooh's and aah's at the lights in the Tunnel.

Connection wise it has gotten better with United's Business 1 gates, The B 1-6 or so I beleive, are closer to the tunnel and the exit to Terminal 2.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 11:13 am

MD-80's surely are a hell of a lot better than RJ's on a 2 or 3 hour flight. It is still a mainline aircraft. I flew on two AA M80's a couple of weeks ago from MSY to ORD, and both flights were very enjoyable. The 3x2 configuration is a great thing.

Generally I see people complaiin about the Mad Dogs because of the lack of IFE. Boo hoo, how does one survive without it! It's not a 20 hour ride on Greyhound, it's a 3 to 4 hour ride on a plane! What ever happened to reading a book or listening to some music? Short attention spans are rampant in the world today!

I love the ride that the M80's offer, and you can't beat the sound of those P&W engines doing their thing on takeoff. Classic! I'll take an MD-80 over an Airbus anyday...but at the same time, I'd take UA over AA...so I wish UA had the M80's.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 15):
United also enjoys an advantage as Chicago's "hometown" airline.

I have never felt that UA has played this though. In Atlanta, everyone knows DL is Atlanta's "hometown" airline. Not too sure if most Chicagoans know that UA is based in the Chicago area. UA really could gain some passenger traffic by advertising themesleves as "Chicago's hometown airline". There is a strong sense of civic pride here in the Chicagoland area.


BTW... if Chicago lands the 2016 Olympics, UA better jump on the opportunity to sponsor the hell out of them.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 32):
My flights on UA have always been much more comfortable than AA. I think both have been around in Chicago long enough for the majority of the regular fliers to have made their own decisions

I agree. here in Du Page County, there is an even mix in my opinion of UA, AA, and SW loyal fliers.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting Uafan17 (Reply 40):
Uniteds 735's don't excite me either.

I'm with you on this one - UA's 73Xs need to go! I've had the misfortune of flying a 735 (AUS-ORD) and 733 (BWI-ORD) over the last year; never again!

Maybe they'll disappear with the rumored UA-CO merge!  crossfingers 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 11:30 am

UA CO merger? as great as that is it'll never happen, CO is Boeing Exclusive and UA is mixed, but hypothetically would they take on UA's name? I mean it is more globally recognized I beleive?
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting UAFAN17 (Reply 44):
UA CO merger? as great as that is it'll never happen, CO is Boeing Exclusive and UA is mixed, but hypothetically would they take on UA's name? I mean it is more globally recognized I beleive?

I would think UA is recognized worldwide...come see for yourself:
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 11:52 am

Wow there are still rumors of a UA/CO merger???

I think working mostly with AA in T5 and now in T3 has sort of made me partial to them. Those silver birds are just classic! I still would like to try United since I signed up for MP and all but ended up with AAdvantage miles. When I first started at ORD T1 was the spot or "everyone's favorite Terminal" and now that I have been there almost 2 years T1 from the outside looks dull. T3 is really shaping up to be a nice looking Terminal with new vestibules and other little stuff. Soon there will be more room in T3 because the baggage system is going Inline(except for delta).

UA doesn't seem to play up the "home town airline" bit. Chicago seems to be 50/50 with AA and UA when WN isnt involved.
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 42):
too sure if most Chicagoans know that UA is based in the Chicago area. UA really could gain some passenger traffic by advertising themesleves as "Chicago's hometown airline". There is a strong sense of civic pride here in the Chicagoland area.


BTW... if Chicago lands the 2016 Olympics, UA better jump on the opportunity to sponsor the hell out of them.

I'd venture to guess most Chicagoans do know this if for no other reason that UA has been in the news leading up to, during and since exiting BKK. Openly making such a claim, however, could backfire if AA were to add more flights, advertise lower fares, better customer service, etc.

I totally agree with the 2016 Olympic bid: "UA: Uniting the World in Chicago". I'm trademarking that!

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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 12:31 pm

Haha, Thats creative, but its clear that United is the Hometown airline, the reason for it is, well first of all United has the terminal with that awesome tunnel, no but really with the MD 80's customer service is far better on United planes.
 
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RE: UA Vs. AA In Chicago

Sun May 07, 2006 12:39 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 47):
I totally agree with the 2016 Olympic bid: "UA: Uniting the World in Chicago". I'm trademarking that!

Wow.... that is pretty good. I'm putting you on my RU list just for that. haha!!

Quoting UAFAN17 (Reply 48):
with the MD 80's customer service is far better on United planes.


I agree 100%. Honestly, AA needs to retire that $hit.