BigSky123
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TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sat May 06, 2006 11:12 pm

In the article about Turkish Airlines (FT, 25th of April) was mentioned, TK is seeking to join a major airline alliance, hopefully by the end of 2006.
Which alliance are they negotiating with? I wasn't able to track any info myself. Help from insider out there would be greatly apprechiated. Thank you!
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 2:13 am

they already have a codeshare agreement with AA, so I figure they stick
with one world.

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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 2:21 am

My first instinct would also be oneworld, but then again, fellow Middle Eastern carrier Royal Jordanian just joined. Would RJ and TK be overkill for oneworld in the region?
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 2:23 am

THY cleverly is considering all three alliance's.

The key to a selection will be based on which alliance provided the most stature to THY, and makes its Istanbul an important integral part of the alliance, while providing the most overall financial benefit to the carrier.
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):

The key to a selection will be based on which alliance provided the most stature to THY, and makes its Istanbul an important integral part of the alliance, while providing the most overall financial benefit to the carrier.

*A have the following weekly services (75 per week total):
JP: 7x via LJU
LH: 21x via FRA
LH: 14x via MUC
LO: 6x via WAW
LX: 9x via ZRH
OS: 12x via VIE
SK: 2x via ARN
SQ: 4x via DXB

I'll speculate that if TK were to join Star, then LO and SQ would increase to daily service, while LX and OS would increase to 2x daily service.

What do OW and ST have to IST?
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 2:56 am

it will be one world, they wont have a codeshare agreement with AA and then go and join an alliance that doesnt have AA in it

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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 5):
it will be one world, they wont have a codeshare agreement with AA and then go and join an alliance that doesnt have AA in it

Anyone have any idea of what TK's feelings are about the AA partnership? Are they generally pleased with the traffic volume and revenue it has brought them?
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
Anyone have any idea of what TK's feelings are about the AA partnership? Are they generally pleased with the traffic volume and revenue it has brought them

In general I'd say the AA codeshare is in consequential in the big picture.

THY needed connectivity at ORD and JFK, and AA was the sole airline that could provide this. Also AA was at the time viewed as being neutral for not serving Turkey itself, versus DL which does directly, or United via Lufthansa codeshares.

To put things further in context, TK-AA had a serious dispute going the summer of 2005, with AA preferential fare rates being higher than what THY could offer by selling connections on DL/Song via JFK. For several months, THY did just that and sold DL as the preferential connection flight to remain competitive in many US city pairs. Subsequently, AA agreed to reduce its pricing.
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 3:32 am

Turkey is well connected by Star Alliance.Turkish Airlines in Star Alliance ,MEA in Skyteam and Royal Jordanian in Oneworld
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 8):
Turkey is well connected by Star Alliance.Turkish Airlines in Star Alliance

TK are not in an alliance yet  Wink

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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 4:51 am

Well, from my experience with TK from when they were a member of the Qualiflyer, all I can say is that my sympathy is for the alliance which chooses to accept them. Honestly, they were the pits to have to work with. Nothing ever worked, they always insisted on doing everything their way and were as uncooperative as you could possibly imagine. and when you finally managed to get in touch with them, nobody ever felt responsible for anything.
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 10):
Well, from my experience with TK from when they were a member of the Qualiflyer, all I can say is that my sympathy is for the alliance which chooses to accept them. Honestly, they were the pits to have to work with. Nothing ever worked, they always insisted on doing everything their way and were as uncooperative as you could possibly imagine. and when you finally managed to get in touch with them, nobody ever felt responsible for anything.

care to give us some more details? seeing as i work for TK i am interested
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 5:46 am

Well I worked for SR so we worked on the PARS reservations system. We were able to link to the reservations systems of the other member carriers, which meant you could see more or less which seats were available. Meaning you could see if there were any seats left for sale, if a class was waitlisted or if it was closed. But not with TK. You'd block seats for a class and even get a confirmed status reply from TK. And then maybe the next day you'd receive a telex that the seats were not confirmed after all as in fact the respective class ws not available after all. That was if you were lucky. If not, you'd issue a ticket for a passenger who would then go to the airport only for TK to claim that they did not have a booking for that person.

Trying to book miles seats was virtually impossible, apart from the fact that TK did not abide by the rules. According to the Qualiflyer rules, a minimum of two seats had to be released on every flight operated by an aircraft with more than 72 seats for mile redemption, which theoretically meant on every aircraft in the TK fleet if I'm not mistaken. More often than not though, you would not get seats for miles.

Calling TK didn't help matters. You'd call the number in ZRH. Either they wouldn't pick up the phone, or they'd pick up the phone and immediately slam down the receiver again simply to stop the phone from ringing, or they's talk to you in Turkish. Fair enough, its a Turkish airline, but you's think their office in ZRH would at least have one person who could speak a language other than Turkish.
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 5:53 am

oh man...i can see how the logistics are a nightmare....i hope that we slowly start to improve...we really need to improve some things over here if we want to compete and be respected...
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 5:59 am

Well, you've made a good start by updating the livery. I think it's just so classy with that silver bit at the back. Is that some kind of flower? Besides, what I'm talking about was about five years ago!

Do you work in IST? That's one of my favorite cities to visit!
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 9):
TK are not in an alliance yet

I know that ,i mean they should belong to Star Alliance
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:24 am

Yeah im a F/O on the 737-400, im based in IST.

The flower is a tulip, it's a little hard to see, but it's a start as far as [aintjobs go lol, the retro A320 looks nice though!!

I have 2 BSL and 1 ZRH flight this month!
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 16):
The flower is a tulip, it's a little hard to see, but it's a start as far as [aintjobs go lol, the retro A320 looks nice though!!

I have 2 BSL and 1 ZRH flight this month!

Yeah, although I think the retro livery would look even better on an A. 340. Just imagine! Brilliant.

Funnily enough, I live in BSL and work in ZRH. The ZRH flight comes in late afternoon right?

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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:42 am

yeah! they do

the BSL flight is interesting, the flightplan shows that we fly to France, because jeppessen registers it in France, but the entrance we make if we stay is to switzerland...  Smile

do u do the same job now?
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:54 am

Well kind of. I'm still in reservations but in a department which caters for the needs of the corporate traveller. So it's not just booking the flights and all that kind of stuff but also organising and maintaining corporate deals between LX and small to medium sized companies.

But I only work part-time seeing as I'm still at uni.

So do you actually have layovers in BSL as well or is that more of an exception? I mean, I like BSL but hell, it's definitely not fun city central and certainly no where near as grand as IST.
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:57 am

lol we dont have layovers, there was once where i entered though...

IST is fun but expensive as with all big cities, im really hoping that there will be more flights from other parts of turkey to CH....i miss living there for school, amazing place to be with friends for summer
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 20):
....i miss living there for school, amazing place to be with friends for summer

where did you live in ch? does your name has got something to do with
morning?

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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 3:42 pm

TK has to a lot more to join an alliance in the background of the things, than just announcing it. Since I fly more than 100,000/year in the US alone few years ago I thought about switching to AA so that I can upgrade on TK flights. I had to buy the tickets from AA buckets on economy which meant paying almost double for the same seat on Y in TK flight. Then upgrade was not that easy to get; so I gave up.

I think TK will be better off not being on an alliance until customer service on the ground and background is improved a bit more. To give you an example since Qualifier days they changes their FF program twice.

But if all the chips were in the right place I'd prefer TK on Star Alliance; but that may involve LH buying some stake in TK when the company is privatized.
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
they already have a codeshare agreement with AA, so I figure they stick
with one world.

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Quoting Azza40 (Reply 5):
it will be one world, they wont have a codeshare agreement with AA and then go and join an alliance that doesnt have AA in it

Having a codeshare agreement with AA doesn't mean systematically that TK will get stuck with OneWorld :

AF is one of the SkyTeam leaders (and founders) and has, besides, extensive codshares agreements with :

Finnair (OW) on CDG-HEL
Iberia (OW) on French Provinces - Spain
Qantas (OW) on SIN - Australia
Austrian (Star) on CDG-VIE
Malev (Star) on CDG-BUD

Etc...

And with many other airlines not belonging (yet) to any Alliance :

JAL on CDG-NRT, CDG-NGO
TAM on CDG-GRU
IranAir on CDG-THR
China Eastern on CDG-PVG

etc ... etc ...
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:18 pm

AF is one of the SkyTeam leaders (and founders) and has, besides, extensive codshares agreements with :

Finnair (OW) on CDG-HEL
Iberia (OW) on French Provinces - Spain
Qantas (OW) on SIN - Australia
Austrian (Star) on CDG-VIE
Malev (Star) on CDG-BUD

Etc...


Malev is working on becoming a member of One World.
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 20):
IST is fun but expensive as with all big cities

What a fantastic city, really one of my favourites worldwide ! Great places, great food, nice bars and most kind and welcoming people. Love the Swissotel and its extrarodinary views ! And back to aviation, I hope TK would join Star Alliance, they would fit in nicely.
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting BigSky123 (Reply 24):
Malev (Star)

Malev is in Star Alliance??? I don't think so.
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 26):
Malev is in Star Alliance??? I don't think so.

OK. Not yet ... but very very close !
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Sun May 07, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 27):
OK. Not yet ... but very very close !

Salut Pedro!
Malev will join soon the oneworld family !
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Wed May 10, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 22):
But if all the chips were in the right place I'd prefer TK on Star Alliance; but that may involve LH buying some stake in TK when the company is privatized.

LH would have to be out of their mind.
 
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:26 am

I wonder which one they will join!
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:15 am

I see a lot of TK codeshare passengers flying AA MIA-JFK and then on to IST with TK. Everything seems to go smoothly and there are no issues.

I see more TK passengers then any other non-oneworld carrier with the exception of oneworld member elect JL.

When TK had MIA-IST nonstop flights AA also had a very good working relationship with the TK MIA management team.

Although this alone is not the basis for selecting an alliance partner, I would say I would be surprised if TK went with anyone other than oneworld.

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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:50 am

Like I have said ultimately, THY will choose and alliance which benefits it the greatest financially, while giving it the largest presence in the overall alliance network as the main Southern European-Mediteranean member.

Lets look at how the Alliances stack up:

OW -
Definite gap in the Eastern Mediterranean currently, however with up coming entry of Royal Jordanian the picture will change particularly as to what RJ has been promised. Besides the UK (BA), THY does not have natural significant traffic flows to other European OW members countries or hubs, so interconectivity traffic flow will not be very strong.

Skyteam -
Alitalia is the main Southern European player here. Future MEA entry also clouds Eastern Mediterranean picture. THY does have moderate traffic links to Italy, France and Holland home of the main European Skyteam members. DL interconnect works at JFK, but not neccasarily at ORD or for other planned future North America cities. CO/NW hubs dont help.

Star -
No Mediterranean-Middle East member as such likely receive premier spot for IST hub.
THY #1 international market is Germany, with strong traffic flows to Switzerland, Austria, Scandinavia, UK. TK serves hubs of Asian members of alliance. With exception of JFK, US/UA/AC good coverage of North America particularly with THY interest to serve YYZ, IAD and LAX - all Star hubs.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 29):
LH would have to be out of their mind.

Why?? THY is not only currently profitable, as part of ownership/alliance structure LH could undoubtedly increase revenues via code shares, joint handling, IT integration, Maintenance cooperation etc..

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 31):
would be surprised if TK went with anyone other than oneworld.

I would not hold my breath on that one, particularly if you feel AA-TK have blossoming relationship. In reality its quite strained with the Turkish feeling being that DFW is far from being the center of the universe as AA would like project.
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RE: TK To Join Major Alliance By The End Of '06?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:57 am

Having spent a few days in IST recently I was also wondering when TK would join a major alliance.
My bet was on One World, not because of the AA partnership (as stated by FLYSSC, code-sahre don't decide), but because it would suit One World's network in that part of the world. TK is a major player in the Central Europe/Caucasian region and some other parts of the Middle East. A part that is already very well covered by Star through LH and OS.

So my € defenitly goes to One World, but many other factors enter into consideration when it comes to sign...

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