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LAS-HII

Mon May 08, 2006 8:09 am

I just returned to Vegas after flying the inaugural LAS-HII-LAS service with about a 3 hour stay in Havasu. It was on YV/HPx using a 19 seat Beechcraft 1900D and today was the first day of service for flights 6841/6844. I could go into a full trip report about the ride, but that's another time and another forum. I know there have been airlines that tried this route before and it didn't work. Does anyone know who has flown this route in the past, what time periods they were, aircraft size, and what factors were involved in the lack of success. Lake Havasu has been in a growth spurt in the last few years, I barely recognized the city from my childhood. I'm being told that the current population is around 50,000 folks (I don't believe that's counting the snow birds). Is the population now large enough to support this flight and what factors need to work out for this route to be successful? Today, each flight was about half full (10 going down, 8 returning), and the times are: 6841/LAS/HII 0945-1025 and 6844/HII/LAS 1430-1510.


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RE: LAS-HII

Thu May 11, 2006 1:31 pm

Anyone on here familiar with HII Airport and the service they've had in the past?

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RE: LAS-HII

Thu May 11, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 1):
Anyone on here familiar with HII Airport and the service they've had in the past

Have not flown to HII. How was the ride on the 1900? I bet that was a bumpy one. I used to fly Skywest Metro's into SGU and PSP from LAS, and that was a ride of full barf bags! LOL!
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RE: LAS-HII

Thu May 11, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 2):
Have not flown to HII. How was the ride on the 1900? I bet that was a bumpy one

It was worse coming back than going down, but that's because it's hotter around 3 pm than 10 am. It was only about 90 degrees F that day, so I can't wait to try it in June when temps down there reach 125. We sure did a lot of jukin' and jivin' on the flight. I couldn't get over a lack of a F/A. Wierd seeing the F/O close the door, do all the preflight pax service stuff and then go into the cockpit and fly.
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RE: LAS-HII

Thu May 11, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 1):
Anyone on here familiar with HII Airport and the service they've had in the past?

I worked for YV back when they has service from PHX - I think we had two a day, and IIRC they were routed PHX-PRC-HII and vica versa. Wouldn't be able to differentiate between loads of PRC-bound and HII-bound pax as I never had a reason to look at these numbers.

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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 12:54 am

There's a book I have that is pictures of airplanes (mostly on approach) at Los Angeles International airport (LAX) as well as photos from the early days before expansion.

One of the more interesting pictures is a very worn Lockheed Constellation on approach bearing the titles "Trans-California Airlines". The caption states that it used to fly to Lake Havasu City in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

Anyone have any memories of that?
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 1:49 am

I have been in PRC since Mesa signed the codeshare agreement with HP. HP Express never did fly the PHX-PRC-HII route. In the early days and most of the years to follow, the B1900 would always fly PHX-PRC-IGM three times daily, once on Sat and twice on Sun. That's per the EAS subsidy that Mesa won for the route and always had until last June when Great Lakes took over the contract. The year before the lost of that service though, Mesa tried to change things up. Once they discontinued their IFP service, they tried to move the IGM tag-on over to HII and then PRC flights were routed up to PGA when Page service was initiated. That lasted for under a year and Page flights dropped from 3 times daily to once daily to being completely dropped last summer. Last summer also was when the IGM flights moved back to the PRC tag on as Mesa and HP Express worked with the HII community and offered an additional PHX flight for 3 daily as they tried to open up HII to southern California by offering nonstop service to ONT twice daily. These flights didn't last more than 2 months I think. By the end of the summer, it was back to the old old ways for Mesa and HP Express. Mesa utilized 3 B1900D for their PHX operations, flights servicing FMN, HII, IGM, and PRC. Other cities that also saw HP Express B1900D service out of PHX in the past two years, give or take, were nonstop PHX service to Santa Fe, Sierra Vista, Oxnard, CA and previous to that I think the B1900D would pop into Yuma, Flagstaff, Bullhead City/Laughlin, and Gallup.

As mentioned countless times, how we miss Mesa here in Prescott. Interlining is a nightmare now and fares are simply ridiculous. Huge studies are going on here in town to reflect the completion of one full year of service on Great Lakes, and the pax figures are coming up lower than 20% than previous years when reviewing pax boarding totals.

I always wondered why HP Express didn't push the Mesa flights into St. George, Palmdale and other smaller communities where little to no service exists. SGU has always been on my mind.
 
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 6):
I have been in PRC since Mesa signed the codeshare agreement with HP. HP Express never did fly the PHX-PRC-HII route.

My bad Flyboy, now that you mentioned it I remember that Kingman was the tag-on to the PRC flights.

I remember the GUP and SAF flights were frequently weight restricted - sometimes to rediculous proportions (11 pax). I remember having to offer passengers the choice of having them or their bags sent on the flight, but not both.
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 3:31 am

yeah, I did hear about the weight restrictions. Made me wonder when they opened up the OXR station with the Dash 8 and then later downgraded the flights to the B1900D, how in the hect was that possible. When did you work for HP Express in PHX? I am guessing usually if you worked the B1900D flights that you were working B1 or B18 most often, it wasn't until late that they started putting the B1900 into B11 and then B28. Just as of now they use B15C which is an extension over by the Cinnabon in the international terminal, an added gate that has a walkway out to where a/c that are taxiing pass from the north/south side of the airport to the other, quite a walk for the commuter pax.
 
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 6):
Mesa utilized 3 B1900D for their PHX operations, flights servicing FMN, HII, IGM, and PRC. Other cities that also saw HP Express B1900D service out of PHX in the past two years, give or take, were nonstop PHX service to Santa Fe, Sierra Vista, Oxnard, CA and previous to that I think the B1900D would pop into Yuma, Flagstaff, Bullhead City/Laughlin, and Gallup.

When did PRC service end? What size aircraft is being used for PHX-FLG? How long has YV been contracting out to ZV (Air Midwest) for the Beech flights? Do you know if YV has done the LAS-HII route in the past?
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 2:36 pm

I thought ZK flew the PRC route. We had a passenger here the other day flying HP to PHX, connecting on ZK to PRC.
 
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 8):
When did you work for HP Express in PHX?

2000 - and yeah, B18 was our Beech gate. Occasionally they would park them next to a CRJ at B1 or B7/B9, but usually we'd just park'em four deep at B18. By the time I stopped working there, we were using B1 and B18 extensions (as in, using the ramp space between B1 and B18) to park a/c the way they are doing on the other side now (they could always name that the "Cinnabon concourse"?)

I liked working the Beech flights - fewer bags, few pax, and working with that aircraft was more fun (I thought). My favorite job for the Mesa ramp at PHX, however, was as the Interline Runner. We had a tug that had the engine governor removed, so the top speed was, well, better  wink  There was nothing like driving around to all the terminals to pick up interline connex - good spotting, and every now and again I'd take my camera out and sit on a tug near the touchdown point (it's strange going from needing a zoom lens to requiring a wide-angle...)

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 9):
What size aircraft is being used for PHX-FLG?

Dash-8s. I was told the runway is too short to allow the CRJ enough space for take off on hot days.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 9):
ow long has YV been contracting out to ZV (Air Midwest) for the Beech flights?

ZV is a "wholly owned subsidiary" of Mesa - the same way that Freedom and the new hawaiian brand operate for Mesa. They were there when I started for them in mid-2000.
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 4:41 pm

There once existed Havasu Airlines.

It operated from 1974 to 1988 with Navajoes and Aztecs.

They flew Lake Havasu-Las Vegas.

14 years on the route, not entirely bad.

Another airline to serve Lake Havasu City:

Desert Airlines. 1984-85. Pipers. To Hemet and on to LAX, plus to Bullhead then LAX.
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RE: LAS-HII

Fri May 12, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
Desert Airlines. 1984-85. Pipers. To Hemet and on to LAX, plus to Bullhead then LAX.



Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
There once existed Havasu Airlines.

It operated from 1974 to 1988 with Navajoes and Aztecs.

What was the reason these airlines/routes failed? Is this new YV route likely to perform better?
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