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Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 10:17 am

Flying DCA-TPA this weekend, and on my last several trips on US, I've been struck by the pathetic appearance of US planes on the C pier. Looks like almost any one of them could go in the database with a "desparately in need of a paint job" comment.

Is this somehow specific to DCA routes or just typical of the short/medium haul fleet?

Not talking about the sharp-looking new E170s of course, or the PSA livery I had the pleasure of seeing push back on taxi to the gate today.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 10:18 am

Do you have any pictures? It would help me see what you are talking about better.

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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 10:34 am

N532AU is an especially bad offender.


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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
N532AU is an especially bad offender.

I'm rather surprised it's not up on cinderblocks... That thing looks like a "schtick-dreck," yiddish for a piece of s[bleep]...
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 12:04 pm

thanks for the help cubsrule. several others like that in the database. unfortunatley, I didn't have my camera (or I'd have posted the PSA 319!)
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 12:11 pm

Well the planes are scheduled to be repainted...might take a bit longer, but it will happen.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
N532AU is an especially bad offender.

UH OH ... better get Maaco!
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting L1329II (Reply 6):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
N532AU is an especially bad offender.

UH OH ... better get Maaco!

I think the plane was painted by Maaco.  Smile
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
N532AU is an especially bad offender.

Uh, wow. How can a pax not have at least a small question about airworthiness when a bird looks like that?

I've seen birds in the desert that look like they're in better condition.

(Before anyone flames me, I know paint condition and maintenance quality don't have a direct correlation, per se, but it's hard not to make judgements based on appearance)

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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 12:58 pm

Uhhhhh, that photograph was taken over a year ago.

Any current proof?
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 12:59 pm

The interesting thing is that 532 has looked like that at least since the summer of 2004, but in January of 2004, the paint was spotless.


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Maybe just a very poor repaint at some point in early 2004? It sure went downhill quickly.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 1:10 pm

I have noticed it in the US 734s & 752s here in FLL and other points around Florida, it appears they are withdrawing them, which is why they are like that.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 1:16 pm

A really crappy paintjob:


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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 6:04 pm

Check out the Air Wisconsin CRJ-200s. They were painted less than a year ago, and the stuff is coming off like it's molting season. Also, if you get close enough, check out the poor stenciling, runs/drips, orange peel, overspray and fish eyes on the paint that has had the audacity to stay on the airplanes. It's every possible mistake a painter can make...on every single airplane.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 8:24 pm

A few years back when these bad finishes started showing their true colors. I noticed how bad even the blending for touchups was, the color is way off. You can always clearly notice spots they tried to fix up. I think the company that they use to contract out to, or even still do. Just doesn't do prep work correctly.

Balpeen, I would like to get up close to one of the Air Whisky CRJ2 to see that. Just sounds like it was incredibly rushed.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Mon May 08, 2006 8:52 pm

the paint is probbably the same as the original, alltho when you apply fresh paint to the one exposed to the sun it would appear as different shade. Also black colour is more noticeable when faded.

I care more about the inside of the plane then the outside, but i can imagine some people that are not into aviation think its a unsafe thing to be on.Well not good commercial for the company. I guess US Airways is the Air France of the USA....lol
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 10:31 am

Personally, I think the wear & tear looks pretty cool.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 10:36 am

Just like an automobile or any other vehicle, the darker the color not only the greater the visibility of routine dirt but also the greater the propensity for dramatic color fading.....
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 10:37 am

Remember that the fleet is going to get repainted in the near future. And I was lucky enough to see the Allegheny Retrojet a couple of weeks ago during a turn at DCA, and got to see the PSA bird today in LGA.



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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 18):
And I was lucky enough to see the Allegheny Retrojet a couple of weeks ago during a turn at DCA, and got to see the PSA bird today in LGA.

I got them both at TPA on the same day within an hour or so of each other.
Compared to most of the other US aircraft that day they looked great, the new merger livery also looks great - but I don't think many of the 734s will see it on them.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 11:57 am

A couple of thoughts:

(1) The black is going to show abrasion more readily than some other colors.

(2) Nevertheless, it is conceivable that some paint quality or prep issues existed.

(3) Most importantly, lack of paint makes it easier to see cracks and stuff, so this is actually a positive safety development by US!  Smile [Yeah, I know, corrosion...shucks.]
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 16):
Personally, I think the wear & tear looks pretty cool.



Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 17):
Just like an automobile or any other vehicle, the darker the color not only the greater the visibility of routine dirt but also the greater the propensity for dramatic color fading.....

Yeah, and when an automobile shows cracking and peeling in its paint job, it looks terrible. It looks terrible on a car; it looks terrible on an aircraft...
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21):
It looks terrible on a car; it looks terrible on an aircraft...

Indeed, but, let's say this car owner is living off of minimum wage. Do you think he/she is going to spend scarce money on new paint? That is what happened with US. It was either spend money on paint, or maintenance. Clearly the chose the best option.

Now we just need to get the flying public to realize this.

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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 22):
Indeed, but, let's say this car owner is living off of minimum wage. Do you think he/she is going to spend scarce money on new paint? That is what happened with US. It was either spend money on paint, or maintenance. Clearly the chose the best option.

I see your point, and yet our friends at DL think differently...  sarcastic 
Weren't they conducting a livery change study??? And is that absolutely necessary right now considering they are still in bk protection???
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 12:36 pm

Moronic. Seeing as how they didn't even finish the last round of repaints...
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 23):
Weren't they [Delta] conducting a livery change study???

Actually, they weren't. Ogilvy and Mather, the geniuses behind the incredibly-derivative and lamely-unimaginative "Ireland. Get lucky." and "Brazil. It's different down there." ads, put the final nail in their coffin by recommending ANOTHER livery change. Grinstein promptly had them fired, along with the head of marketing at DL.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 22):
Indeed, but, let's say this car owner is living off of minimum wage. Do you think he/she is going to spend scarce money on new paint? That is what happened with US. It was either spend money on paint, or maintenance. Clearly the chose the best option.

Despite its marketing effect and customer "curb appeal", paint really does serve a maintenance purpose: it provides corrosion protection and allows for a smooth aerodynamic surface. This is especially important now that RVSM restrictions are in place; in many instances, paint chipping or flaking inside the RVSM-critical area is cause for grounding. Additionally, poor quality painting can adversely affect maintenance; i.e. painting over static ports or radio altimeter antennas can cause a crash. All of this to say, suggesting that an airline skimp on paint to spend more on other maintenance is sort of like robbing Peter to pay Paul. The aircraft should be painted well and correctly, and maintained in an airworthy condition at all times. Any skimping should be done elsewhere, budget-wise.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 6:11 pm

Just give them some time, now that the merger has gone thru I'm sure this ugliness will go away. All the old Republics looked like hell too when they merged w/NW in86' . Lot of unique paint schemes out DTW I might admit but sad to see them go.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Tue May 09, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 11):
I have noticed it in the US 734s & 752s here in FLL and other points around Florida, it appears they are withdrawing them, which is why they are like that.

They most certainly are not withdrawing the 757s. In fact, they just bought 3 more from HP. As for the 734s, I believe they've rid themselves of most of the ones they didn't want/need, for now.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 12:25 am

Here's a look at 532 that I took just before Christmas:


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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 19):
Compared to most of the other US aircraft that day they looked great, the new merger livery also looks great - but I don't think many of the 734s will see it on them.

Why not? Seems like all the retired 737s were -300s. Most if not all original -400s are still flying for US today. They must like the rather high seat count and low weight of the airplane.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 3:50 am

US definetly needs to do something about those 737's. Every single one I see at RSW on a daily basis is in DIRE need of a paint job. I just don't think it looks professional to have such beat-up planes. Even some of their 757's could use some paint work.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 18):
Remember that the fleet is going to get repainted in the near future. And I was lucky enough to see the Allegheny Retrojet a couple of weeks ago during a turn at DCA, and got to see the PSA bird today in LGA.



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21):
Yeah, and when an automobile shows cracking and peeling in its paint job, it looks terrible. It looks terrible on a car; it looks terrible on an aircraft...

I'm just waiting until they get that oh so special "trailer trash" bondo combination.

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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 4:01 am

Give it some time...the planes will be repainted, etc. It would be nice to see all of the planes repainted in the new colors but it takes a while.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 4:18 am

I doubt if a repaint will be done soon since most of the Boeings are being phased out in favor of the A319/320 family. The 757 and 767 will also disapear as the new A-330 and 350's come into the fleet. They will skip the repaint on those too before they are replaced. No sense spending $ painting a plane that is being returned, sold or retired.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 4:49 am

In terms of customer relations, there is an issue of perception. I don't remember where I heard the line, but I believe it was from someone at People Express who made the observation that "Coffee stains on the fold-down trays means that we didn't do our engine maintenance."
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 6:28 am

as long as the aircraft safely gets you to your destination in one piece, who the hell cares what it looks like on the outside?
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 34):
I doubt if a repaint will be done soon since most of the Boeings are being phased out in favor of the A319/320 family. The 757 and 767 will also disapear as the new A-330 and 350's come into the fleet. They will skip the repaint on those too before they are replaced. No sense spending $ painting a plane that is being returned, sold or retired.

Well, considering the other A330s and the A350s aren't being delivered until at least 2009 (IIRC), I'd like to think they'd paint their birds. Also, the 757s aren't going anywhere, for the umpteenth time.

Quoting UsAirways16bwi (Reply 36):
as long as the aircraft safely gets you to your destination in one piece, who the hell cares what it looks like on the outside?

Unfortunately, the American public doesn't see it the same way. I don't give a crap what it looks like, as long as it gets me to where I need to be.
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 6:35 am

Please tell me that this is one of the first aircraft to be repainted?????
 
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 31):
US definetly needs to do something about those 737's. Every single one I see at RSW on a daily basis is in DIRE need of a paint job. I just don't think it looks professional to have such beat-up planes. Even some of their 757's could use some paint work.

I think you'll notice (as has been alluded to more than once in this thread) is the viability of a very very dark (close to black) paintjob and how quickly it LOOKS like it's worn. Black paint is a pain in the neck to keep clean, and even when you've got obvious wear and tear on a Continental or World Airways (eek - we've all seen it) paintjob, it always looks worse in US black.
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 34):
I doubt if a repaint will be done soon since most of the Boeings are being phased out in favor of the A319/320 family. The 757 and 767 will also disapear as the new A-330 and 350's come into the fleet.

Someone told me on another thread that they will not start any large-scale phasing out of the 737s, 757 and 767 for at least another 3 or 4 years, starting in 2009??... They just added 3 of ATA's 757s which will be used for transatlantic flights from PHL. The A350 will not come out for some time; I am thinking around 2010 for that bird. Airbus is having some difficulties with that program, and US even stated that it would not be adequate for them once the bird is launched and ready for delivery... I believe that Parker and company have opened up the playing field here to consider all options, especially regarding the 787, the competitior to the A350. Yet, US is the launch customer for the A350. I guess we'll wait and see what the next few years bring us...
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RE: Sorry Looking US Aircraft At DCA

Wed May 10, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 34):
The 757 and 767 will also disapear as the new A-330 and 350's come into the fleet. They will skip the repaint on those too before they are replaced.

Nope.

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As far as I can tell, only N648US remains to be repainted of the 767-200ER's.

The 757's are sticking around for the foreseeable future; there really is no suitable replacement from either Airbus or Boeing for a significant number of mission profiles.