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TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Tue May 09, 2006 12:26 pm

TAME, an airline from Ecuador, that links UIO-TUA-CLO switched since the beginning of May the aircraft used on that route. They were using a Fokker 28 and now they fly on one of their brand new Embraer 170. I believe is the first airplane of this type to fly in a regular basis to an airport in Colombia.

Something that surprises me is the little noise TAME did regarding this change. Just a short note in Cali´s local newspaper. I think they missed an opportunity to attract more passengers to use its service.
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Tue May 09, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
Something that surprises me is the little noise TAME did regarding this change.

TAME has always been very shy with this route, almost as shy as the loads they register. I cannot picture how they still operate this route when they average loads in low-season as low as 23%.

Hopefully with this new positive change they would indeed drag more passengers onto their planes.


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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 12:23 am

Well, very nice, i had heard Aerocivil made them suspend their service until they got a decent plane. And the Emb-170 is more than decent.

Quoting Clo1973 (Thread starter):
I believe is the first airplane of this type to fly in a regular basis to an airport in Colombia.

Specifically the 170, yes. But CM has been flying 190s to ADZ and CTG for quite a while, sometimes sending them to BAQ too.
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2):
Well, very nice, i had heard Aerocivil made them suspend their service until they got a decent plane.

What was wrong with the F-28 then?
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting Dakota (Reply 3):
What was wrong with the F-28 then?

Too noisy and too polluting. No carrier is allowed to fly than plane to Colombia anymore.
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Dakota (Reply 3):
What was wrong with the F-28 then?

Did not comply with noise regulations.
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 6:15 am

CM has also flown their 190's to BOG.

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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 1):
TAME has always been very shy with this route, almost as shy as the loads they register. I cannot picture how they still operate this route when they average loads in low-season as low as 23%.

Hopefully with this new positive change they would indeed drag more passengers onto their planes.


SOUTHAMERICA

Its the only airline in the region offering connection from the northern border of ecuador and the capital to an other city in colombia beside bogota. They used to get little passenger counts and thats why they sent the F28 and not the 721. Also the MTOW was pretty limited to cali CALI, mainly because of the stop over at TULCAN. Limited due to temperature, rwy length and analisis and the height of the city. So you cant expect to take out SOO many passengers either.

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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 7):
Limited due to temperature, rwy length and analisis and the height of the city.

Yes, Cali is hot but:

The runway is 3000x45m long, cant imagine many commercial aircraft except maybe an A340-600, a 747 or an A380 having problems...

CLO is at 900m over sea level, there is not a problem with elevation.
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Wed May 10, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 1):
TAME has always been very shy with this route, almost as shy as the loads they register. I cannot picture how they still operate this route when they average loads in low-season as low as 23%.

Average loads for 2005 (january - july) were 47%. Although not spectacular, I bet they do some money otherwise I don´t see how Tame has been able to support this route for 14 years. Right now Cali is Tame´s only international destination, some time ago they dropped its routes to Lima, Santiago and Havana.
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Thu May 11, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 8):
Yes, Cali is hot but:

The runway is 3000x45m long, cant imagine many commercial aircraft except maybe an A340-600, a 747 or an A380 having problems...

CLO is at 900m over sea level, there is not a problem with elevation.

Umm, I meant TULCAN, http://gc.kls2.com/airport/TUA . thats a tougher airport.
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Thu May 11, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 7):
Its the only airline in the region offering connection from the northern border of ecuador and the capital to an other city in colombia beside bogota.

True. However, Aires regularly flies between Cali and Ipiales on a three-weekly basis as well, serving a very similar market to that of Tulcan.

Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 9):
Average loads for 2005 (january - july) were 47%. Although not spectacular, I bet they do some money otherwise I don´t see how Tame has been able to support this route for 14 years.

Despite not knowing the internal dynamics of TAME, state-owned airlines are not precisely known for being extremely business-driven. It wouldn't be too surprising if they have mantained this route under marginal profits. Who knows.

But these flights do tend to have a higher-yielding profile, since they are catering for a very limited market with little offer. Such low loads mean that yields are at least enough to minimally break-even.

For a similar example, look at Cali-Tumaco for instance, easily one of Avianca's highest-yielding routes in their domestic system, regardless of loads or profits.



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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Thu May 11, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting AV757 (Reply 6):
CM has also flown their 190's to BOG.

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On other hands i'm alos surprised that Ame hasn't pulled the p`lug off CLO route, maybe with this movement they go better

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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Thu May 11, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 4):
No carrier is allowed to fly than plane to Colombia anymore.

Unless your carrier is called "Casa de Nariño Airlines"....... wink 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Thu May 11, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 13):
Unless your carrier is called "Casa de Nariño Airlines".......

I understand that the FAC F-28 (former presidential plane) was refurbished in order to comply with Aerocivil regulations.. am I right?


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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Fri May 12, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):
I understand that the FAC F-28 (former presidential plane) was refurbished in order to comply with Aerocivil regulations.. am I right?

Right after the new plane was received, plans were to improve the engines (I don't know if that meant new ones or what.......) and give the old bird a nice MX. I think the President still use for places the 737 can't go. Also that the F-28 is used by the military and some ministros for their official use.

Last february on my way to MED i saw parked on Catam, but on my way back was gone, I assumed it was flying, of course, could be parked somewhere else.......


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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Fri May 12, 2006 3:21 am

What I don't understand about this is why EQ stops at Tulcan. Why don't they go to Cali directly?

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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Fri May 12, 2006 4:42 am

Speaking of the devil I just saw from my apartment the former presidential F-28 taking off from Bogota, north bound and it was a little bit louder than a MD-83. It's a shame a didn't have my camera with me..........
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Fri May 12, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 13):
Unless your carrier is called "Casa de Nariño Airlines".......

Indeed!

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 10):
Umm, I meant TULCAN

Oh sorry, i thought you meant CLO. Well, still, the flight from TUA is like what 40 minutes....its not so long...
 
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RE: TAME´s New Aircraft In The Cali Route

Fri May 12, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 16):
What I don't understand about this is why EQ stops at Tulcan. Why don't they go to Cali directly?

Soren

This is due to govermental restrictions. TAME has to stop in Tulcan in order to have rights to fly the whole route.

Very much like regulations for new frecuencies between Spain and Colombia. Air Madrid has to stop in Cartagena in order to fly from Madrid to Bogota (Air Madrid choices were touristic cities in the caribbean coast). Other option is code-share, Air Comet went for this and flies MAD-BOG with Aerorepublica; Avianca flies CLO-MAD with Iberia.

The point for this is to develop underserved markets...