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SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 5:01 pm

This thread is intended to discuss what will be the outcome of toady's board meeting at Singapore Airlines.

This is what I believe might come out of the board meeting.

1: Orders for 777-200LR to replace the A340-500.
2: Boeing 747-8 Freighter
3: They will decide if they will wait for Airbus to come up with a better performing A350 or if they go for the 787 they might as well order it today.

Any thoughts?
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 5:38 pm

I have a feeling it is going to be a very bad day for Airbus.

I think we may see 748F, 772LR, 787s, and more 773ERs.

[Edited 2006-05-09 10:41:54]
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 5:42 pm

The board has met and the outcome will be known shortly.

I predict: Unfortunately no order.

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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 2):
I predict: Unfortunately no order.

I certainly hope they will order something today. This is what we at Airliners.net has been looking for so long now!
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 5:45 pm

LOL i'm not sure I want to be here if and when they do announce a massive new order and you start creaming yourself about how Singapore Airlines Ltd (a subsidiary of Temasek Holdings Ltd) is now the most modern...blah blah blah...

Cathay Pacific are miles better - deal with it! LMAO Big grin
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Tue May 09, 2006 6:04 pm

Maybe Chris but LMAO would be an appropriate ending for your last paragraph!
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 5):
Maybe Chris but LMAO would be an appropriate ending for your last paragraph!

Khoa - when are you going to make everyone feel better and go and work for SQ rather than just merely obsessing about them?  Wink
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Tue May 09, 2006 6:15 pm

I would not expect any major announcements from SQ until Farnborough. After all they were one of the airlines that pushed Airbus into offering a new A350 fuselage.

Now that Airbus is proposing a larger A350 to compete even more directly with the B777 series, I'm sure that they will pay even closer attention as more facts start to become known.

I also don't see them placing any B748i orders in the near term. The proposed A350-1000, may possibly make the B478i even less attractive. As for the B748F that's another story.

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Tue May 09, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):

WINGS, you bring up some good points. Thank you. In the current aviation environment, no one can afford to make a hasty equipment-procurement decision, or do so without negotiating long and hard with the manufacturers.
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 6:43 pm

Hi Wings,

i have to agree with you.The SQ fleet will be build around B777-300ER and the A388 - i do not see a need to put the B748I in between.

The A350-1000X or B787-10X could play a very important role in SQ�s fleet planning.Probably the A350 more than the B787, because i do NOT see SQ squeezing 9 seats in eco in the B787, but they could do that easily in the A350.


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Tue May 09, 2006 6:56 pm

Mr Chew has just confirmed that the Board was presented with an acquisition program and that in response Board has mandated their Fleet Planners to "enter into final negotiations with the respective manufacturers"

Source: SIA Live media conference currently being broadcast on Bloomberg AV.

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Tue May 09, 2006 7:02 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):
Mr Chew has just confirmed that the Board was presented with an acquisition program

No hints as to what it was?
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Tue May 09, 2006 7:02 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):
Mr Chew has just confirmed that the Board was presented with an acquisition program and that in response Board has mandated their Fleet Planners to "enter into final negotiations with the respective manufacturers"

Source: SIA Live media conference currently being broadcast on Bloomberg AV.

Regards, PanAm_DC10

Thank you for sharing this information. Do you know when we can expect to see some orders? Does this include the 787 segment?
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 11):
No hints as to what it was?

No sir, he did not even imply a model. Note he used the word manufacturer's, could be a split order or more likely he was being very diplomatic.

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 12):
Do you know when we can expect to see some orders? Does this include the 787 segment?

Yes, when final negotiations are completed, this appears, to me, to be like QF, aggressive last minute Tenders causing the Board to re-evaluate. He did confirm that the models and number of frames for the RFP have been set.

Mr Chew mentioned that subject to certification that A380 delivery for November is on schedule and that they are happy with the progress that has been made in that regard.

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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Mr Chew mentioned that subject to certification that A380 delivery for November is on schedule and that they are happy with the progress that has been made in that regard.

Well at least some good news in regards to the A380 program. After all their first A380 has had it's first flight.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Note he used the word manufacturer's, could be a split order or more likely he was being very diplomatic.

Well noted PanAm_DC10.

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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 7:26 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 9):
The A350-1000X or B787-10X could play a very important role in SQ�s fleet planning.Probably the A350 more than the B787, because i do NOT see SQ squeezing 9 seats in eco in the B787, but they could do that easily in the A350.

I have to disagree with you.
1. I think if SQ got the 787 they would be very happy putting 9 abreast.
2. The current A350 is NARROWER than the 787, so yea!! what you're saying makes loads of sense. I'm sure they could easily fit 9 seats in the A350- if they purchased seats that were half the width!!!!!!!
3. Boeing has formally acknowledged a proposed 787-10X, Airbus is running around like a headless chicken pulling numbers from the sky A350, A370, perhaps they will launch an A360 at the same time. Airbus need to give some clarity as to what exactly they are selling or proposing!!!

I have a lot of respect for Airbus, but I think they have a lot of work to do inorder to 'take the market by storm' especially t win Ek and SQ.

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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 10):
"enter into final negotiations with the respective manufacturers"

Means some from A some from B I think....................
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 7:42 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 15):
2. The current A350 is NARROWER than the 787, so yea!! what you're saying makes loads of sense. I'm sure they could easily fit 9 seats in the A350- if they purchased seats that were half the width!!!!!!!

He is obviously talking about the strongly rumored "new" A350, which has a fuselage 500mm wider than the current one.
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 7:55 pm

@ AA1818

1. I am talking about the new 50cm wider fuselage.

2. Airbus is not running around like a headless chicken.For us it looks like that in the moment, but i would guess that is only for people which are not involved directly.The airlines themselves have much more details AND a valid name for the new Busses - you can be very sure..!

Let us face the situation - two new airplanes with the same size at the same time.That happened never before and is a big advantage, but only for the airlines, not for A and B...

It was probably never cheaper to buy longhaul airplanes in the last years...
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 18):
Let us face the situation - two new airplanes with the same size at the same time.That happened never before and is a big advantage, but only for the airlines, not for A and B...

L.1011 and DC-10?
767 and A310?
A330/340 and 777?

Plenty of examples.
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 8:08 pm

@ Scorpio

Ok, agree with the DC10 and L1011.That is sooo long ago.

But not with the A310/B767 and B777/A330+340
There was time difference between all competing models.

I was meaning new airplanes for the same business which are developed at exactly the same time.
Take for example SIA: They ordered the MD11,replaced that order with the A343 and replaced that order again with the B777.If all three airplanes would have been available at the same time, SQ would have had a great time to choose their best airplane at a VERY good rate.And this is what happens today.Two airplanes for exactly the same requirement.

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Tue May 09, 2006 8:21 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 18):
Airbus is not running around like a headless chicken.For us it looks like that in the moment, but i would guess that is only for people which are not involved directly.



Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
Two airplanes for exactly the same requirement.

Which is it? Are we in the dark on the specs of Airbus's offering, or is the proposed aircraft aimed at exactly the same segment as the 787?
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 8:43 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
Ok, agree with the DC10 and L1011.That is sooo long ago.

Well you did say in your original post that two aeroplanes developed at the same time had never happened before, so the DC10 vs L1011 is valid. I'd add to that the 707 / DC-8 / CV880/990. All at the same time also.
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Tue May 09, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 22):
I'd add to that the 707 / DC-8 / CV880/990. All at the same time also.

And there's some historical parallels as well: The 707 lost its first two marketing battles against the DC-8, because it was too narrow! They only began to win some battles till they made it wider!

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707

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A late and costly decision was to widen the fuselage by 6 inches (150 mm) compared to the original 367-80 and KC-135 so as to be a little wider than the Douglas DC-8.

And we've been "enjoying" that fuselage width ever since (B727, B737, B757).
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 11:05 pm

Anyone have any figures on the seat width for 8 and 9 abreast in the B787. Then throw in the figures for the old 8 abreast in the A350 also.
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Tue May 09, 2006 11:50 pm

Will the cabin pressure in the new A350 be 8,000 ft or like in the 787 around 6,000 ft.
Will the new A350 have larger windows like the B787?
In which way will customers benefit from this new A350?
And is it called A350 or A370?
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 12:21 am

No order from SQ today.

Alas, I feel we have chosen the wrong hobby. Ours is one of many months of waiting and idle speculation followed by a few minutes of order excitement (reading the details of the announcement) followed by either happiness or sadness for the winner/loser (except for you independents!!).

Certainly there has got to be a better hobby for us commercial aircraft/airline business hounds!! LOL.

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Wed May 10, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 26):
Certainly there has got to be a better hobby for us commercial aircraft/airline business hounds!! LOL.

LOL indeed! If they went airbus (unlikely, I know), then the order probably won't be announced until Farnborough or some other large airshow. If they went Boeing, SQ will announce the order as and when they see fit. Which, judging by the less than miraculous pace of things so far, could be anytime! Get your duvets out people, we could be in for even more waiting...
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:17 am

Sometimes it's more fun before the orders - there is a lot more room to make a guess.

Right now it looks like SQ is turning the screws even tighter on both companies.

I think Airbus would really have to pull something out of the hat to take the 787 order away, but adding pressure on Boeing to open a second production line might be what the 370 is about, in terms of SQ's thinking. If this is the case then I would look for an order when the production line is announced.

The 370 might also be used to get a bit more of a discount from Boeing on the 777s under consideration.

Right now SQ can afford to wait on the 748 order as there is no rush for slots. The pax version is something they can leverage against Airbus for 380 pricing.

On the Airbus side the delay gives them more time to work on the 370, but they are going to face some very strong pricing pressure on SQ adding more 380s to the production line and the 748i is probably a real risk for them.

Lots of interesting stuff to think about on the boards, but a huge amount of pressure on A & B. But that's what makes it interesting.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
But not with the A310/B767 and B777/A330+340

The 767 and the A310 were launched within a month of each other. And the 777 and A330/340 were closer together than the A350 and 787 will be. And, as Classiclover pointed out, how could I forget the 707/DC-8/CV880 AND Comet 4? All four entered service within a year and a half of eachother.

Quoting Johnny (Reply 20):
I was meaning new airplanes for the same business which are developed at exactly the same time.

Such is not the case now. The 787 has been launched for quite a while now, and more than a few airlines ordered it before there was any serious talk of an A350. Even the ones that have ordered it after the A350 was on offer appear to have been offered a different plane than the one that will be built by Airbus, if these latest rumours are true. So they, again, have not been able to really compare the eventual products. The only reason SQ CAN do that now, is because they waited so long with an order.
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 28):
Right now it looks like SQ is turning the screws even tighter on both companies.

Actually it sounds to me as if the decision has been made and it's a matter of finalizing the order details depending on exactly what they've decided to buy.

Quote:
Mr Chew has just confirmed that the Board was presented with an acquisition program and that in response Board has mandated their Fleet Planners to "enter into final negotiations with the respective manufacturers"

There are lots of possible choices with this RFP:

A350 v B787
A345 v B772LR
More A380
B748
More B773ER
Some almost infinite combination of the above

As a hypothetical example, if SQ went for 30 B787 and 10 more B773ER that would lead to a different price structure than if they chose 20 B787 and nothing else. The same is true on the Airbus side. If they exercised 10 A380 options, that would likely change the A345 offering in comparison to what it would be by itself.

IMO, it's a matter of dotting the i's and crossing the t's, not "turning the screws" anymore. I'm thinking the threads on the screws are pretty much bottomed out.
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Note he used the word manufacturer's, could be a split order or more likely he was being very diplomatic.

We should not forget that a jet order, even from one airframe manufacturer, deals also with engine manufacturers, interior fittings manufacturers, etc., etc.

Pluralization of manufacturer does not in any way point to an order from both Airbus and Boeing. It may happen, but don't bank on that one word as an indicator of anything.
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Means some from A some from B I think....................



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 31):
We should not forget that a jet order, even from one airframe manufacturer, deals also with engine manufacturers, interior fittings manufacturers, etc., etc.

Pluralization of manufacturer does not in any way point to an order from both Airbus and Boeing. It may happen, but don't bank on that one word as an indicator of anything.

Or SQ is going to go crazy and order tons of regional jets from E and the other B.
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
I would not expect any major announcements from SQ until Farnborough. After all they were one of the airlines that pushed Airbus into offering a new A350 fuselage.

100% agreed.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 32):
Or SQ is going to go crazy and order tons of regional jets from E

ha, I wish.

Either way:

30 787s
5 772LR
10 773ER
either 748i options or A380 options
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 7:15 am

They still have an eye open on the A380F.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 28):
Right now SQ can afford to wait on the 748 order as there is no rush for slots.

SQ cannot afford to wait too long before making a decision on how to replace their remaining JumboJets. The last Megatop is scheduled to be retired from SQ's fleet in 2011. SQ have 13 B777-300ER and larger jets on order for delivery after 31 March 2007 at which time there will be 22 JumboJets to replace. So, SQ will need at least 9 and, if all 13 aforementioned jets will be used for growth, as many as 22 B747-8Is for delivery in 2010 and 2011, if they choose the SuperJumbo. SQ might secure the delivery slots by placing a firm order for some B747-8Fs with 10 to 20 options for the B747-8I.
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 35):
SQ have 13 B777-300ER and larger jets on order for delivery after 31 March 2007 at which time there will be 22 JumboJets to replace. So, SQ will need at least 9 and, if all 13 aforementioned jets will be used for growth, as many as 22 B747-8Is for delivery in 2010 and 2011, if they choose the SuperJumbo. SQ might secure the delivery slots by placing a firm order for some B747-8Fs with 10 to 20 options for the B747-8I.

Small correction, SQ ordered 19 777-300ER with 12 options. My guess would be that they do not need a 747-800 and will exercise the 12 options at farnborough and perhaps another 5 A380s.

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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:39 am

The B748i is the only widebody which is currently under development which does NOT interest Emirates to buy it...

In my opinion THIS and the lack of Pax-orders from other airlines makes that airplane very uncertain...

It is technology from yesterday with some updates from today.

I cannot understand why the same people here at a.net claim the "old" design of the A350, but praise a really old B748I...

Imagine following situation, when a B748I and a B787 standing side by side on the apron - the 4th derivative of a 1960´s design and a brandnew state-of-the-art airplane! Horrible that they both enter service at around the same time.

Way to say goodbye to the B747(Pax). Welcome A380 and B777-300ER!!!
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 37):
I cannot understand why the same people here at a.net claim the "old" design of the A350, but praise a really old B748I...

Dude, sorry but you need to put more thought into your responses.... For one, the 748 has no competition in this segment as the A346 and 773 is too small and the A380 is too big... Second, all the A350 bashing as of late is ALL due to Airbus management blunders in that it underestimated the 787. Don't blame A.Net members bashing the A350 as Airbus made it very easy for us too.

The 748 has sold more copies last year than the A380, which is its nearest competitor... I am willing to bet the bank it will do the same this year...
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Wed May 10, 2006 11:12 am

@BoeingBus

I guess these people know exactly that they are meant by my comment.  Smile

YOU are not one of them!

But your comment about no competition of the B748 probably is correct.If there is no competition you do not need to develope something really new.

Best example is the A350, where Airbus really had to react, because of the very,very advanced B787.
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 36):
Small correction, SQ ordered 19 777-300ER with 12 options. My guess would be that they do not need a 747-800 and will exercise the 12 options at farnborough and perhaps another 5 A380s.

Of the 19 B777-300ERs that SQ has on firm order, 9 are scheduled for delivery before 31 March 2007. Of the 10 aircraft larger than the B777-300ER that SQ has on firm order, 7 are scheduled for delivery before 31 March 2007. That leaves 10+3 scheduled for delivery after 31 March 2007. SQ might decide to exercise their options for more of these or they may decided to order the SuperJumbo.

Quoting Johnny (Reply 37):
I cannot understand why the same people here at a.net claim the "old" design of the A350, but praise a really old B748I...

I can't speak for everyone, but the obvious reason is that of all airliners that have been launched, the B747-8I has the lowest CASM, though it will be beaten by the semi-officially announced but not yet officially launched B787-10. The "old all-new" A350 would have had a CASM that was (according to statements by QF executives and others) not competitive with that of the B787.
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:41 pm

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 38):
The 748 has sold more copies last year than the A380,

18 748F have been sold last year, 20 A380's (including 10 freighters), I've been starring at these numbers, but with the best intention I can't figure out how 18 is more than 20.
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:12 pm

I think he meant that the 747 sold 43 net last year, 18 of the 748F, the other 25 are 744F models. 2 744F's have been sold this year so far. I think the 748 orders will come but in a trickle, about 16 to 20 per year.

I also think the A380 will see on average the same type of order stream but will be dry for about a year after EIS, this will be initially half new orders and half options.

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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:22 pm

Hmmmm, wonder if this means there may be some 2010 787 positions available. Someone could make a lot of money and steal a march on some competitors if they could get Boeing to release some of those early 787 slots they were otherwise holding for SQ !! (where's my local Boeing sales rep's phone number ????)
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:22 pm

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 42):
I think he meant that the 747 sold 43 net last year,

Then he should be more clear. The 748 hardly competes with the A380. The 744F (the only 744 version that has been sold in the last years) doesn't compete at all with the A380.

Quoting JayinKitsap (Reply 42):
I also think the A380 will see on average the same type of order stream but will be dry for about a year after EIS, this will be initially half new orders and half options.

Very likely. Boeing sold only 2 777's (to an already existing customer, NH) the year previous to her first commercial flight. Only after commercial introduction sales started to pick up.
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:27 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 37):
I cannot understand why the same people here at a.net claim the "old" design of the A350, but praise a really old B748I

I don't think Boeing is hiding the fact that the design is from an older model keeping the 747 name...
 
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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 44):
The 748 hardly competes with the A380. The 744F (the only 744 version that has been sold in the last years) doesn't compete at all with the A380.

Hmmmmm, Maybe not as passenger airplanes, but the B-747F and A-380F clearly compete directly with each other.

But, back of this topic. I would suspect that since the SQ Board authorized negotiations with the manufactures, both Airbus and Boeing know exactly where they sit in SQ's future fleet.

My guess is:
10 B-777-200LRs, 5 options
12 B-777-300ERs, 5 options
Lanuch customer of the A-370-800 (order 8, with 8 options)
Launch customer of the B-747-800I (order 6 with 8 options)
8 B-747-800Fs, 5 options

After the A-380-800 enters revenue service for about one year, SQ will make known what their intentions are for their A-380 options. I don't see them ordering any B-787s until they can secure "good" productions slots (read after Boeing opens a second line, then convert some of these orders to B-787-800/-900/-1000). I think that SQ will pass on the current, or currently envisioned A-350.

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RE: SIA To Announce A Comprehensive Fleet Buy Today?

Wed May 10, 2006 5:57 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 46):
Launch customer of the B-747-800I (order 6 with 8 options)
8 B-747-800Fs, 5 options

I think it is more likely that SQ will order 8 or 10 or so B747-8F with options on at least 10 B747-8Is in addition to some B747-8F options. This way Boeing can secure some 2010 and 2011 delivery slots needed to replace the last of their B747-400s, while putting off a decision about which aircraft to order for the final B747-400 replacement until the B777-300ER and the other aircraft now on order having been operating in service for a while.