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Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 8:26 pm

Take a look at the caption of this photo:

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I didn't see any new work on it. Is the photographer just mixing up his words, or is ATL really getting rid of a brand new runway?
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 8:31 pm

I am guessing his meaning of "terminated" means that it's nearing completion.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 8:54 pm

I think it opens on the 23rd or 24th of May. With 5 runways and the tallest tower in the States, they hope to decrease delays.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 9:07 pm

The opening of the fifth runway later this month is expected to enable a 25% - 35% increase in capacity at the world's busiest airport. This, combined with Delta's overall flight reduction, should greatly reduce delays. As far as the caption, Philippe's command of the English language is still better than many Americans, including some who post regularly here.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 9:08 pm

Bad choice of words. "Terminating" construction, I guess. The runway opens in a few days. They are planning of having a major ceremony first, and there will be a multiple K race on the runway. That should be a security nightmare. I don't know who the genius was who thought up the idea, but I can venture a few guesses.

If you look closely at the picture, which really is great, you see a lot of brown ground near the old tower. That may actually become the site of our next terminal, if the corrupt city government can ever get its bids out.

Even though the existing terminals are really in need of a major make over, this has got to be one of the easiest airports I have ever used to navigate. I can't say that this airport alone put Atlanta on the map, but it really went a long way in helping. Thank you Mayor Jackson, you did well with your dreams and planning.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
I think it opens on the 23rd or 24th of May. With 5 runways and the tallest tower in the States, they hope to decrease delays.

Runway 10/28 opens on May 16th. Here is the run of show:

8:00 a.m.
Registration & Reception*

8:30 a.m.
Shuttles Depart to Runway*

8:30 a.m.
Complementary Commemorative Pictures Available with General Manager Ben DeCosta.

9:45 a.m.
Last Shuttles Depart to Runway
(All guests must arrive no later than 9:15 a.m. to register and catch final shuttle at 9:45 a.m.)

10:00 a.m.
Ceremony Begins

11:00 a.m.
Shuttles Available for Departure to Parking Lot

11:00 a.m.
Lunch & Entertainment

12:00 p.m.
Shuttle Service Resumes




*activity takes place at hangar located at 1000 Inner Loop Road, Atlanta, GA 30337 (see attached map).
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 10:50 pm

The Public Day is nothing new for airports opening new runways, including large hubs. Minneapolis/St. Paul and Denver both come to mind as airports who have held similar events prior to the official opening of a new runway. Sure, it will be logistically challenging, but it might not be a much of a nightmare because Runway 10/28 is so far removed from the rest of the airfield. There is only one way to get over to the north side, via the set of parallel taxiways. That will allow the Airport to maintain control fairly easily, I think. We'll see. Wish I could be there to participate.

The East Terminal will happen, just not as soon as many had hoped. There's no way to avoid its construction, because International traffic will continue to grow, and there needs to be another point of ingress/egress to Concourse E, along with more dual-use gate capacity. I think it'll be under construction by the time the new west side Consolidated Rental Car Facility opens in 2009.

Also, the new ATC tower will be operational sometime next week, as I understand. Hope to see the view from nearly 400' above ATL very soon!

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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
There is only one way to get over to the north side, via the set of parallel taxiways. That will allow the Airport to maintain control fairly easily, I think. We'll see. Wish I could be there to participate.

Indeed, as such, 10/28 is pretty much isolated from the rest of the field. Cars/Trucks driving along I-285 could probably be considered a bigger 'risk' if anything.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
The East Terminal will happen, just not as soon as many had hoped. There's no way to avoid its construction, because International traffic will continue to grow,

Absolutely, hence why DL will return to the T-gates for international widebody departures, and pretty much all CRJ int'ls being back in C or D.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
and there needs to be another point of ingress/egress to Concourse E, along with more dual-use gate capacity. I think it'll be under construction by the time the new west side Consolidated Rental Car Facility opens in 2009.

An alternative to the train would definitely be nice, though then again, I wonder how they'll handle connections to the CONRAC. An extension of the planned CONRAC train would probably be very expensive, and a bus trip along I-285, especially during rush hour, could be a real pain in the a$$.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 11:33 pm

AirTran is pushing hard for the airport, the city, and even the state to get moving on the South Terminal. AirTran needs to know it will have enough domestic gates for growth beyond 2010.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Tue May 09, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 4):
They are planning of having a major ceremony first, and there will be a multiple K race on the runway. That should be a security nightmare.

I did a 5K run at JFK, and there was no security issues (no metal detectors or anything, though there were a decent number of Port Authority cars there to make sure that nobody left the course). And the runway at JFK (13R/31L) is a lot less isolated than the new one at ATL.

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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 5):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
I think it opens on the 23rd or 24th of May. With 5 runways and the tallest tower in the States, they hope to decrease delays.

Runway 10/28 opens on May 16th.

By opening, I believe Positiverate's referring too when the runway actually opens to air traffic.

Other events (following the earlier-mentioned May 16 ceremony) will be the Employee Day event on May 19 and the 5k run/Community Day event (open to the public) on May 20.

The 5k run (covered in the Non-Av. section) has already maxed out at 1500 registrants. The race will preceed the Community Day event.

[Edited 2006-05-09 18:04:50]
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:06 am

This runway will also become quite handy when 8R-26L (ski slope) gets closed for two months in the fall for a reconstruction/rehab (note to those planning rennaisance spotting trips!) But the 5 runways for the summer thunderstorm season will be quite nice.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:22 am

If you look at the top of your picture, you will see the 5th runway. Its actually "south" of the terminals (or above using this picture's orientation). You can even see the runway markings painted in white at the ends.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
This runway will also become quite handy when 8R-26L (ski slope) gets closed for two months in the fall for a reconstruction/rehab

Don't know exactly which runway will be closed for refurb first but
09R-27L & 8L-26R are the primary landing runways at ATL. They have taken much abuse over the years and a DL Capt told me that they (WBHJAAuthority) will close one runway and when that runway is finished they will close the other runway.So it could be up to near 2 years before all 5 runways will be active (this was his guess)providing they don't work on the takeoff runways
(9L-27R & 8R-26L.) Judging on how long it took them to build this runway, I seriously doubt they'll have 1 runway done in 2 months. But you never know!
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:05 am

Concourses C & D don't have Federal Inspection Service facilities, therefore can't accommodate arriving international service, other than pre-cleared Canadian and perhaps Aruba service (and any other Caribbean markets with pre-clearance, if there are any).

And is DL really considering moving some International service back to T? I had heard nothing about it, and am rather surprised to read that here.

The view of cars on the bridges associated with the I-285 & I-85 junction will get an incredible view of traffic on Runway 10/28. You can see down the entire length of the pavement from the elevated interstate bridges.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 14):
Concourses C & D don't have Federal Inspection Service facilities, therefore can't accommodate arriving international service, other than pre-cleared Canadian and perhaps Aruba service (and any other Caribbean markets with pre-clearance, if there are any).

Hence I talked about "departures"  Wink .

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 14):
And is DL really considering moving some International service back to T? I had heard nothing about it, and am rather surprised to read that here.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2689769/
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:28 am

This new runway will be a big relief to those of us who have to go through Atlanta in the summer, especially in the afternoons when the rain clouds do patrol duty over ATL.

It's too bad that they didn't end up building the additional taxiway they originally planned to at the Eastern end of the new runway. I guess the cost of the additional bridge over the interstate was too much.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
By opening, I believe Positiverate's referring too when the runway actually opens to air traffic.

Um...yeah, what else would I be referring to?
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
Also, the new ATC tower will be operational sometime next week, as I understand.

I believe it already opened at the end of last week.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:47 am

How I missed that little word 'departures' is beyond me..thanks for drawing my attention to it..has there been any feedback on how this is working, both from the airline and passenger perspective? It's been over a month since it was initiated. Seems to make all the sense in the world, if it can be done without tremendous impact on the rest of the operation. A 4yr wait is going to be a long one for the East Terminal to rise and open for business, especially with all of SA)">DL's international expansion from ATL. Even with AM and SA going away, there is still a considerable amount of new demand on Concourse E. Perhaps some of those Plane Mate mobile lounges will soon be put to work accessing remotely parked aircraft routinely. This is such a typical occurrence at so many airports in Europe I've visited, as I'm sure many of you have also witnessed.

As for the taxi time from the 5th runway, it can't be any worse than landing on the west crosswind runway @ DFW and having to cross the N/S parallels, traverse the airport roadway system via the aircraft taxiway bridge system, and haul another mile or so to Terminal A or C. I've had that happen several times, and it takes more than 10min from the point of exiting the runway to parking at the gate. Yes, ATL has a few hundred thousand more annual ops than DFW, but the actual distance from 10/28 to the northernmost concourse gates has to be less. The difference may be in wait time to cross 9L/27R & 9R/27L, at least until the new end (west) around taxiway is completed.

Incidently, here's a new article from the AJC about the 5th runway: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/business/stories/0509biztower.html
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 13):
Don't know exactly which runway will be closed for refurb first but
09R-27L & 8L-26R are the primary landing runways at ATL. They have taken much abuse over the years and a DL Capt told me that they (WBHJAAuthority) will close one runway and when that runway is finished they will close the other runway.So it could be up to near 2 years before all 5 runways will be active (this was his guess)providing they don't work on the takeoff runways
(9L-27R & 8R-26L.) Judging on how long it took them to build this runway, I seriously doubt they'll have 1 runway done in 2 months. But you never know!
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My source is the designers of the project. Not saying it will get done in 2 mos, but the full closure is 2 months, some work will actually begin in august, and may continue afterwards.

In addition, when Runway 8R-26L is open, there will be a temporary displaced threshold due to the construction of a new end-around taxiway on the west side.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 4:00 am

When did construction begin on the new runway?

I looked at the area on Google Earth and saw no signs of anything.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 19):
As for the taxi time from the 5th runway, it can't be any worse than landing on the west crosswind runway @ DFW and having to cross the N/S parallels, traverse the airport roadway system via the aircraft taxiway bridge system, and haul another mile or so to Terminal A or C. I've had that happen several times, and it takes more than 10min from the point of exiting the runway to parking at the gate. Yes, ATL has a few hundred thousand more annual ops than DFW, but the actual distance from 10/28 to the northernmost concourse gates has to be less. The difference may be in wait time to cross 9L/27R & 9R/27L, at least until the new end (west) around taxiway is completed.

Like I mentioned above, looking at the plans when construction started, there was supposed to be another taxiway constructed at the east end of the new runway (with a bridge over the interstate). Do you know why it was not constructed?
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 5:12 am

It's probably been 3yrs since the monumental task of clearing and then raising the elevation of the south parcel for the 5th runway began, along with the roadway realignments.

A friend was just telling me yesterday that she looked on Google Earth and saw the same thing, as if the runway doesn't exist. That means that particular ATL aerial is VERY old. Don't know why that is, but it apparently is so.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting FlyBaby (Reply 22):
Like I mentioned above, looking at the plans when construction started, there was supposed to be another taxiway constructed at the east end of the new runway (with a bridge over the interstate). Do you know why it was not constructed?

Probably because of the costs, and the fact that traffic probably just wouldn't be sufficient, as planes would still have to cross two active runways, and except for Concourse E and perhaps D, such a taxiway likely wouldn't make too much of a difference anyway.
As far as the GE pic goes, at least it shows the relocated Riverdale road as being under construction, so that at least narrows down the timeframe in which the overview shots were taken.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 6:35 am

Maybe it's a good thing for me to comment this a little bit, as I'm the photographer of that one. I just wanted to reply to a couple of things here.

Quoting PanAm330 (Thread starter):
Is the photographer just mixing up his words, or is ATL really getting rid of a brand new runway?

I guess I was mixing up my words on that one, sorry about that.

Quoting Superhub (Reply 1):
I am guessing his meaning of "terminated" means that it's nearing completion.

Yes, in french, you say "termin�" which means "finished", so what I meant to say is that it's undergoing the last construction work.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 3):
As far as the caption, Philippe's command of the English language is still better than many Americans, including some who post regularly here.

Thanks for that, I hope it really is true, 2 years spent in the USA helped me a bit though!

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 4):
Bad choice of words. "Terminating" construction, I guess

You got it!

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 4):
If you look closely at the picture, which really is great

Thanks for that comment, I'm happy you guys like it and I'm happy it came out that good. I took it out of the small window or a Piper PA28 Cherookee while flying over the field, which was quite hard as it was shaking like hell... Altitude by the way is 5500ft.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me! Have a good evening,

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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 7:22 am

It is going to be interesting to see if ATL will immediately see a significant increase in arrival and departure rates with the new runway. Speaking from my professional experience with this airport, I do not share all of that enthusiasm right away until all of the five runways and their ILS's are fully capable. Also, wait until it's time to close the current inboard runways for repair in the near future. Taxi time will be significantly affected with associated taxiways being closed reducing access between the outboard runways and the terminal. Has anyone seen how ATL clears the landing traffic from the active outboard to the terminal? They hold in position 4 or 5 airplanes between the inboard and outboard and clear them all to cross at the same time when inboard get a break from departure traffic. It will be a nightmare if you throw in a little weather. Taxi will take all night even if you are just going to Augusta, Georgia. You would be spending the first 45 mins taxing to NRT. Because of all of this, planes will be more likely to divert because ATL won't be able to clear traffic from the active runways as fast as it should because there will be chokepoints during the construction. It will reduce the arrival rates from present configuration for sure. It will guarantee a flow control on a VFR day due to "Airport Construction" on a daily basis and Delta wants to focus on ATL in middle of all of this. I really don't want to be there when all of this happens.

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[Edited 2006-05-10 00:49:52]
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 13):
09R-27L & 8L-26R are the primary landing runways at ATL. They have taken much abuse over the years and a DL Capt told me that they (WBHJAAuthority) will close one runway and when that runway is finished they will close the other runway.So it could be up to near 2 years before all 5 runways will be active (this was his guess)providing they don't work on the takeoff runways

27L/9R was just redone back in the summer of 1999. IIRC, they used Taxiway Romeo as a temporary runway during the length of the project. Lots of the slabs of concrete they pulled up are sitting in the area to the west of the new taxiway that connects the new runway to the rest of the taxiways.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 26):
Also, wait until it's time to close the current inboard runways for repair in the near future. Taxi time will be significantly affected with associated taxiways being closed reducing access between the outboard runways and the terminal.

They are not doing both runways at once, meaning at no point will runway capacity be below current levels.

Taxi time wont be that bad, airports like DFW and DEN taxi times longer than ATL will have for their new runway.

Access to the outboard runways will not be impaired since they wont be working on the entire runway at the same time, meaning the crossing points for the runway under construction will just change as progress on the runway gets made.

In addition it should be noted that the bulk of the work will be in the fall, after the summer t-storm season.

It will hardly be the gloom and doom you mentioned
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 6):
Also, the new ATC tower will be operational sometime next week, as I understand. Hope to see the view from nearly 400' above ATL very soon!

The tower has actually been in operation since May 6th. Unfortunately 3/4 of the systems are not operational including some of the local control and ground frequency trunks. The elevator was not even working when the facility opened. So for the first day or two, controllers had to make the 602 step climb (398 ft). Also the ASDE-X on the top of the cab has a constant hum, very loud so I heard. Distracting actually!
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:31 am

So I guess I shouldn't plan any Renaissance trips without consulting the board here first... Bummer...
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 30):
So I guess I shouldn't plan any Renaissance trips without consulting the board here first... Bummer...

Yea... make sure you check in advance...

I have an e-mail form my co workers with the exact schedule of the closing period...I want to say Sept 15-Nov 15...ill try and double check tommorrow.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 29):
The tower has actually been in operation since May 6th. Unfortunately 3/4 of the systems are not operational including some of the local control and ground frequency trunks. The elevator was not even working when the facility opened. So for the first day or two, controllers had to make the 602 step climb (398 ft). Also the ASDE-X on the top of the cab has a constant hum, very loud so I heard. Distracting actually!

Correct. See John Carr's (NATCA president) post on this at http://themainbang.typepad.com for details.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 12:13 pm

Quote:
It will hardly be the gloom and doom you mentioned

Okay, closing down runway 26L/8R (north inboard) for departure and landing alone is going to be a problem. That's what I meant in the first place. This would mean 26R/8L (north outboard) will be primary used for the arrivals from the north, which I might add it's the most busiest arrival in the country. Now, with that said, the south complex will pick up ALL of ATL departure regardless of direction and landings from the south. If you are using runway 28/10, you will have the pleasure of crossing the two VERY heavily active runways (27L/9R) and (27R/9L) There will be a long line there especially during peak traffic hours and/or visibility and ceiling are reduced. There is no way around them. You will have to cross both of them. All I see is two taxiways right in the middle. This is why I think it will reduce the departure and arrival rates from the current configuration.

TokyoNarita.

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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 12:29 pm

The DL pilots I've talked with are not enthusiastic about the "new" runway helping current congestion. All have mentioned (as above) that one of the current actives will be closed for refurbishment hence no relief in sight. Also mentioned was the limited airspace around the airport and the number of large a/c that land there--one mentioned a max of 118 a/c per hour in perfect conditions, clouds, t/s,etc quickly dropping the number to 85 a/c per hour or less. Certainly not an airport expert but doesn't sound very promising....
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 1:29 pm

The primary benefit of the runway wont be seen on normal conditions, heck on a good day, ATL doesnt need a 5th runway, but on a bad weather day it will make all the difference.

It may be a bit deceptive since the new runway will open soon, but we wont really see the benefits until next summer (07)'s storms kick in and the other runway projects are complete.

The runway's primary purpose was to enhance IFR capacity, which it will significantly.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
When did construction begin on the new runway?

I looked at the area on Google Earth and saw no signs of anything.

The construction started a couple years back. That's the trouble with GoogleEarth. The photos can be 3 years old. Montreal Dorval shows no signs of the redesigned terminal, STL has no new runway, and DFW has dirt where Terminal D should be...
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 5:09 pm

Quoting Wilax (Reply 36):
That's the trouble with GoogleEarth. The photos can be 3 years old.

Better have 3-year old pics than all those low-res green fields.
As far as DL redoing their runways, why don't they follow FRA's way of doing that:
Close one runway at night from 2200 to 0600, tear up 180ft of concrete, pour some new concrete, and reopen the runway again, doing so night after night. Worked very well for FRA.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 37):
As far as DL redoing their runways, why don't they follow FRA's way of doing that:

The runways aren't Delta's, and they don't redo anything. The Atlanta Airport owns the runways and are responsible for maintaining them.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 9:47 pm

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 38):
The runways aren't Delta's, and they don't redo anything. The Atlanta Airport owns the runways and are responsible for maintaining them.

Sorry for the typo, meant ATL. But the point still remains valid.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Wed May 10, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 5):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 2):
I think it opens on the 23rd or 24th of May. With 5 runways and the tallest tower in the States, they hope to decrease delays.

Runway 10/28 opens on May 16th.



Quoting Positiverate (Reply 17):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
By opening, I believe Positiverate's referring too when the runway actually opens to air traffic.

Um...yeah, what else would I be referring to?

First & foremost, I apologize for the typo. I meant to say that Juventus was referring to the actual runway opening date for air traffic (May 23 or 24).

Positiverate, if I'm not mistaken, your earlier post was about Runway 10/28 being open on May 16 was in reference to the pre-opening festivities & events as opposed to actual air traffic utilizing the new runway (which Juventus meant).
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Thu May 11, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 35):
It may be a bit deceptive since the new runway will open soon, but we wont really see the benefits until next summer (07)'s storms kick in and the other runway projects are complete.

I am pretty sure that the work on the old runway doesn't start until mid-to-late September so the new runway should be a big help this upcoming season.

Not sure what kind of ILS is installed on it now though.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Thu May 11, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 3):
The opening of the fifth runway later this month is expected to enable a 25% - 35% increase in capacity

That is ridiculous. It is certainly not going to lead to a 25% - 35% increase in capacity. It allows for a third approach, but planes utilizing the 5th runway from the main terminals and freight facilities have to cross over the other two south runways and make a long zig-zag taxi. I suspect it will mostly be used for freight going to the south freight buildings and for the planned south terminal. I think at 20% increase would be extremely optomistic.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Thu May 11, 2006 5:09 am

Why is it such a stretch to believe how much aircraft operations capacity the new runway will add @ ATL? A 5th runway means a 25% increase in the number of runways, for starters. And in the AJC article linked earlier in this thread referencing the opening of the new ATC tower, it is stated that right now the design capacity is right around 100 aircraft per hour, and with the new runway, when fully functional, and all runways are in use, that number will increase to about 135? So that would be a 35% increase. This runway would not be built simply to handle southside freighter traffic and a South Terminal that's at best 5yrs away from debuting. Spending $1.2B and taking several years of development for extremely limited use don't go together. Does that make any sense? I don't think so.
 
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Thu May 11, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 13):
So it could be up to near 2 years before all 5 runways will be active (this was his guess)providing they don't work on the takeoff runways
(9L-27R & 8R-26L.) Judging on how long it took them to build this runway, I seriously doubt they'll have 1 runway done in 2 months. But you never know!

You answered your question here by saying built. The point is that they are refurbishing and not building the older runways. Resurfacing is the quickest of all processes and when you considering the amount of work (from taking all the homes and commerces, lining up the land, building the mega-tunnel over I-285) the majority of the project was consumed by preparing the land for a new runway, and not building the actual runway itself. The fact is that ATL will be about 5 months all-in-all until all 5 runways will be operational, once the refurbishing on the existing runways goes into play.
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RE: Is ATL 'Terminating' The New Runway?

Thu May 25, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 44):
You answered your question here by saying built. The point is that they are refurbishing and not building the older runways. Resurfacing is the quickest of all processes

Good point. Thanks for the clarification

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