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Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Tue May 09, 2006 8:10 am

Not really a trip report, but more of a quest for some answers. During a fuelstop on a mission to NS Rota a few days ago, we stopped at Palma de Mallorca. And we parked at the Spanish AF ramp at the airport. We parked near the fire-dump where the infamous ex-Spantax CV990 Coronado EC-BZO. She's been out of service since 1984, and Spantax is long gone. It looks in dismal shape since the last time I saw it 7 years ago. I took some close up pics of it while we fueled up. So what is going on with this girl? Is it still owned by the FD at the airport? I heard a few years ago, that there was a group of enthusiasts trying to save her, is this still true? I remember seeing this aircraft at Bournemouth back in 1986, shortly after it was WFU, and before she was moved here to bask in the Spanish sun. Any info?

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Tue May 09, 2006 8:04 pm

Nice pictures indeed. What a shame you couldn't climb up and get some interior pictures. I imagine it's either empty or really disgusting in there.

I have a soft spot for the 880 and 990, I have no idea why. Maybe I just like the underdogs. Hopefully someone will know what is going on with this aircraft - I've asked for this thread to be moved to Civ-Av as you'd probably have more chance of a reply there.
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Tue May 09, 2006 9:02 pm

That engine looks funny, like one inside the other.

Is it a predecessor of the modern high-bypass engine?
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Tue May 09, 2006 9:34 pm

Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?
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Tue May 09, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?

I think the Elvis Presley aircraft is a 990. I'm sure there is a Swissair one also preserved somewhere...
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Tue May 09, 2006 10:03 pm

Someone should convert it into a cute spanish villa with a restaurant beneath it's wings and optics fastened to the engines.
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Tue May 09, 2006 10:12 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 4):
I think the Elvis Presley aircraft is a 990. I'm sure there is a Swissair one also preserved somewhere...

The Elvis Convair is an 880..N880EP. Saw it across the street from Graceland a while back..
 
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Tue May 09, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 2):
Is it a predecessor of the modern high-bypass engine?

The CV-990 Coronado's were the first ever commercial airliners to use turbofan engines (I forget the type used)........and yes, they were the predecessor to modern high-bypass. Hard to believe that thing eventually evolved into GE90-type high-bypass engines!!

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 4):
Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?
I think the Elvis Presley aircraft is a 990. I'm sure there is a Swissair one also preserved somewhere...

Elvis Presley's aircraft, the Lisa Marie, is an 880. There is a Swissair 990 Coronado preserved as a museum with complete interior, cockpit, galleys, the whole nine. Also, if I'm not mistaking, the NASA 990 Coronado is still sitting around somewhere. They used one to test Space Shuttle tires, IIRC.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
I have a soft spot for the 880 and 990, I have no idea why. Maybe I just like the underdogs.

You and me both sir. I have some of those mahogany desk models of both a TWA CV-880, and a Denver Ports of Call CV-990 Coronado. I love the Convairs!! Underdogs, though?!?! I'd beg to differ!! History would prove you very correct, indeed, but if it weren't for Howard Hughes insisting on the 5 abrest seating, Convair might very will still be around today. For the fuel burned, 5 abrest seating on the 880 and 990 did not hold up to the 6 abrest of the DC-8 and 707. The CV-880 and CV-990 Coronado lost Convair $660million in 1960's dollars!! What would that be now?? In the tens of billions I'd guess. Talk about the business mistake of the century. While Airbus has proven themselves a worthy adversary to Boeing time and again, I'm seeing history repeating istelf to a huge degree!! 9 abrest on the 787 and 8 abrest on the A-350.......

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Tue May 09, 2006 10:36 pm

Hi!

The Swissair CV990 Coronado is preserved at Luzerne, and there's also ( or at least until November 2003 ) one CV990 on the outside of Mojave desert airfield, I saw it when I was comming back to Fresno from the open house day at Edwards AFB! I think this spanish CV990 should be preserved in the old SPANTAX colours, after while SPANTAX was the airline that used, and abused of the CV990 in european skies during the 70's and 80's.....I'm sure the founder and late owner of SPANTAX Capt. Rudolfo Bay would be extremely pleased. Capt. Rudy Bay was the one that said once that " The CV990 is the Maserati of the Skies!!!"
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Tue May 09, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
The CV-990 Coronado's were the first ever commercial airliners to use turbofan engines

I think that's wrong. I'm quite sure it was the 707-400 with RR Conway engines.

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
(I forget the type used)

IIRC GE CJ-805. They were derived from the military J-79 engine.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:09 pm

It`s really sad to see this bird rotting there.
Spantax and its CV990, that`s a strange story. Beside of a DC3 and a DC10 they lost at least 3 of their "Coronados" and had some lucky escapes in several other incidents. Also here in Cologne sometimes in the late 70th a Spantax CV990 crashed because the pilot forgot to lower the landing gears and was w/o . I still have a little piece of this aircraft.
Spantax survived longer than expected.

My personal relation to the CV990 began when I was 4 years old. The first two times I have flown with an aircraft was with Spantax CV990s (CGN-PMI and back).

Yes they were underdogs and never had a chance against the more economical 707 and DC8.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:44 pm

Surviving complete-ish Convair 990s should be:

* One at Palma in newest Spantax colors (see above)
* One at Lucerne in Switzerland in Swissair colors
* One at the gate of Mojave airport in Nasa colors but with Mojave Airport titles (still there March 2006)
* One inside Mojave airport in former APSA Peru colors
* One at El Paso airport in formet Ports of Call / Ciskei International Airways colors (for sale)

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Tue May 09, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
While Airbus has proven themselves a worthy adversary to Boeing time and again, I'm seeing history repeating istelf to a huge degree!! 9 abrest on the 787 and 8 abrest on the A-350.......

There are some rumors here in a-net about changes in the A350 concept with a wider fuselage cross-section with 10 abrest!?!?!?!?!
I`m curious how Airbus will solve its problems with the A350.

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Tue May 09, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 10):
Spantax survived longer than expected

Along with the Comets of Dan-Air London, the Spantax Coronado was the backbone aircraft for the European inclusive tour operators in the 1970/80s. Many people took their first flights on either the noisy Comet or even noisier Coronado, complete with 27½" seat pitch, no overhead bins and certainly no IFE!
Departures were often from obscure airports in the middle of the night too! As both airlines suffered from hull losses, Spantax had the nickname "Never Come Back" Airlines and Dan-Air had the nickname "Dan Dare".

Spantax was an abbreviation for Spanish Air Taxi Service. Besides the Coronado crashes, one of the airline's DC10s crashed at AGP after the captain aborted take off following a tyre failure, even though the aircraft was already beyond V1. This sealed the fate of the airline, and there were rumours of criminal investigations being made into the company and its directors when it folded.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 10):
Another problem was the narow fuselage which allowed only a 2-3 seating.

And the vibration that was felt at cruise altitude, which is why there are large pods on the wings.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:52 pm

Here is a picture of the same bird in 1986


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Wed May 10, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?

That one in El Paso is beautiful. There's a yahoo group still trying in vain to save it, I wish them luck. It's such a shame there aren't more of these birds, they'd be fantastic in today's market.
 
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Wed May 10, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
asked for this thread to be moved to Civ-Av as you'd probably have more chance of a reply there.

Thanks. That did the trick.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
Is this the only complete CV990 left in existence?

One of the last few.

Quoting PennPal (Reply 6):
The Elvis Convair is an 880..N880EP. Saw it across the street from Graceland a while back..

It's a former DL 880

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
Also, if I'm not mistaking, the NASA 990 Coronado is still sitting around somewhere. They used one to test Space Shuttle tires, IIRC.

It's at MHV.
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Surviving complete-ish Convair 990s should be:

One of the Nasa birds

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Partial 990, used a cabin crew trainer

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Wed May 10, 2006 2:08 pm

Jetjack74...Thank you for sharing these great pictures with us. I wish more participants would do the same instead of only shooting the same current boring stuff!
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 2:31 pm

It's too bad we see more and more these "Mona Lisas of the airlines" fading into history without keeping some around. Works of art, getiing flushed down the toilet
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Wed May 10, 2006 3:53 pm

Hi!

Basically the Convair CV990 was a very good project that Convair had in mind. I think what killed the CV990 was infact all the delays to meet the specifications by airlines like AA and Swissair. When all of that was over the plane proved to be an excelent airliner. Also when the fuel rised some of those "camels" like the Convair and all the turbojet airliners had their lives condamned! But just this curiosity, Modern Air could actually fly the CV990 from New York to Vienna/Austria without any technical/fuel stop....so we must say that the plane was indeed a great one! I remember in mid 70's seeing Swissair flying regulary from ZRH to LIS with their CV990 Coronados!!! Beside Spantax and Swissair ones I recall seeing one CV990 from Denver Ports of Call at LIS!
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Wed May 10, 2006 3:56 pm

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Wed May 10, 2006 4:04 pm

The engines look strange because, while they are turbofans, the big fan you normally see as the first stage fan is actually mounted near the rear of the engine. It was an interesting concept that had reliability and maintenance issues. There was a complete ship set of four at my A&P school for us to get a look at turbine engines and to practice blade blending.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 13):
And the vibration that was felt at cruise altitude, which is why there are large pods on the wings.

Ugh, I think this is incorrect. The large pods that were unique to the 990 were there because of the high cruising speed of the Coronado, about mach 0.92. At such speeds, at certain places on the wing, air will begin to go supersonic, so to avoid this, Convair put the "speed fairings" on the wings to prevent the supersonic airflow using the "area rule".....I have no idea what that is, that's just the reason I've always heard when it comes to explaining why those exist!! The Convair F-102 Delta Dagger had the same speed fairings installed right below the vertical tail, but were deleted on the later model, the F-106 Delta Dart, I guess because of improved engineering.


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Wed May 10, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 19):
But just this curiosity, Modern Air could actually fly the CV990 from New York to Vienna/Austria without any technical/fuel stop....so we must say that the plane was indeed a great one!

However, this was done with a severly reduced cruising speed. The top speed of Mach 0.92 (or whatever it was) made the plane guzzle fuel like it was going out of fashion. American Airlines ordered the plane for the high cruising speed.

The penalty was decreased range. The Modern Air New York to Vienna would have been at a much lower Mach number in order to get the range required for the trip.
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Wed May 10, 2006 8:28 pm

Hi!

ClassicLover, of course you are right on that point......less speed = bigger range, but even taking in mind that the speed was about 0.72 Mach the airplane was excelent!
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Wed May 10, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 24):
ClassicLover, of course you are right on that point......less speed = bigger range, but even taking in mind that the speed was about 0.72 Mach the airplane was excelent!

No disrespect to the aircraft at all of course  Smile

0.72 Mach is fine for charter operators, but it does fall short of the 0.78 to 0.85 of most jet airliners.
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Wed May 10, 2006 9:27 pm

Hi!

Well, taking in mind that the Convair CV880/CV990 family was indeed projected to be an high cruising speed airliner I actually think they did quite good and lasted longer than expected!!! We can't forget that just a few dozens were built and it's quite surprising that an airline like SPANTAX could actually have a good number of them, doing business and having profit!!! Getting back to Modern Air and their transatlantic operation, the Mach 0.72 was more like a strategy because those were quite long flights! I personally don't think that SPANTAX had those restrictions in their european operations!!!
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Wed May 10, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting Jeb94 (Reply 21):
The engines look strange because, while they are turbofans, the big fan you normally see as the first stage fan is actually mounted near the rear of the engine. It was an interesting concept that had reliability and maintenance issues. There was a complete ship set of four at my A&P school for us to get a look at turbine engines and to practice blade blending.

It was basically a turbine blade and fan blade in one, nicknamed a 'blucket' (blade + bucket). I think the problem stemmed from the fact that one component traversed both the hot and cold portions of the engine airstream. More standard designs had a fan (cold air only) and turbine section (hot only) in the front and rear, respectively.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 10:32 pm

The amazing thing about this aircraft is that it wasn't much bigger than an A320 and it had only about 13,000-14,000 lbs of thrust per engine. By today's standards, that's fairly low thrust on a single engine, but that's roughly equivalent to what an A320 pumps out on two engines, and the A320 doesn't nearly reach 0.92. Can you imagine if Airbus made a single-aisle long-range high speed aircraft based on, say the A320 or A321 and slapped four medium-thrust engines in the 15-20k lb range on it? With today's construction techniques with composites etc, you might be able to do it, and it might even compete with the long range 737s. Just daydreaming. Poor Convair 990s...
 
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Thu May 11, 2006 12:28 am

Hi!

And don't forget that in those days, to reach the speed of the CV990, an airplane built with FULL METAL, must have been something!!! I think if the CV990 had the same construction technics that they use now probably could reach Mach 1.xxxxx, maybe?! Right?
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Thu May 11, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 28):
The amazing thing about this aircraft is that it wasn't much bigger than an A320 and it had only about 13,000-14,000 lbs of thrust per engine.

According to the book I read, the reason the aircraft has 5 abreast seating as standard is because the faster cruising speeds required a narrower fuselage.

The aircraft did have a lot of teething problems, mainly in that drag was much higher than anticipated. The design range fell far short as a result. I believe American Airlines cancelled some of their orders because of this.

It's a very interesting story, really.
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Sat May 13, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 30):
The aircraft did have a lot of teething problems, mainly in that drag was much higher than anticipated. The design range fell far short as a result. I believe American Airlines cancelled some of their orders because of this.

The early teething problems resulted in the installtion of the anti-shock bodies, installed on the upper trailing edge of the wings. The flutter vibration rate was almost double of that on the 707/DC8. Convair also promissed a max cruising speed of 630 mp but downgraded it to 621, and finally to 615, The promised cruise altitude was also downgraded. After 6 months to almost a year of delays and technical problems, AA took delivery of only 15 rather that the full 30 they signed on for. They lasted only 8 years before the sold them to MEA/LIA. Delays were so bad, that Convair was forced to supply 2 CV880M's to SR while they had to wait for the 990's problems to get resolved. The 880's were returned when the 990's arrived. Too little, too late.
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Sat May 13, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 7):
The CV-990 Coronado's were the first ever commercial airliners to use turbofan engines



Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
I think that's wrong. I'm quite sure it was the 707-400 with RR Conway engines.

GE's book Eight Decades Of Progress claims that the CJ805-23 was the first turbofan to enter service, but after cruising the information superhighway, it does appear to me that the Conway preceded it. One source claims the Conway-powered DC-8-40 preceded the 707-420 into service by about one month.

Can anyone out there in a.net land quote definitive EIS dates for these three turbofan-powered aircraft?
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Sat May 13, 2006 6:14 pm

When I went to Mohave Airport in December 1994 more than a dozen ex-TWA 990's (or 880's) were still present. Does anyone know why these aircraft had been stored for such a long time after retirement with no chance of being returned into service and when were they finally broken up?
 
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Sat May 13, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting StevenG (Reply 33):
When I went to Mohave Airport in December 1994 more than a dozen ex-TWA 990's (or 880's) were still present. Does anyone know why these aircraft had been stored for such a long time after retirement with no chance of being returned into service and when were they finally broken up?

I have no idea why they stayed in storage for so long. I think they were finally broken up in the 2000s. Maybe after TWA went away? Can't remember when, but it wasn't all that long ago.
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Mon May 15, 2006 7:41 pm

The big Mojave fleet of CV880s was broken up in or around December 1999 after years of sitting around in the desert. The engines went for conversion for use on oil rigs or platforms. Two aircraft were preserved by enthusiasts and are still at Mojave, owned by Doug Scroggins and Mike Potter. Their future is a bit unclear, though.
 
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Tue May 16, 2006 12:14 am

I think there are two other CV990s (possibly CV880s) still intact somewhere in the USA. I remember seeing a thread a few years ago where there was a satellite image of the two aircraft, as well as a few photos. I think they are/were still in basic TWA colours, and the interiors are/were still intact. From what I remember, they were in a remote (possibly restricted) area, off airport, I think. Does this ring a bell with anyone? It would be great to find out their current status.

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Tue May 16, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 36):
(possibly CV880s) still intact somewhere in the USA. I think they are/were still in basic TWA colours, and the interiors are/were still intact. From what I remember, they were in a remote (possibly restricted) area, off airport, I think. Does this ring a bell with anyone? It would be great to find out their current status.

These would be the ones acquired by the FAA I believe. There are two of them, one has its tail chopped off. In an archived thread on here there are pictures of these - definitely a few years ago now that the thread was on here. Don't know the current status of the aircraft.
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Tue May 16, 2006 12:53 am

It was recently reported in one of the aviation magazines, can't remember which that EC-BZO was to be restored by AENA (Spanish Airport owners) and painted up in AENA colours. I don't know what happened on that front. I also read somewhere (can't remember where) that EC-BZO has survived for so long as there was confusion over who owned it. Apparently Spantax had donated it to a museum in Madrid and it had one cycle left in its airframe which was to transport it to Madrid. However Spantax collapsed before this came to pass, so it has remained in Palma since then. Spantax collapsed in 1988.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 10):
Beside of a DC3 and a DC10 they lost at least 3 of their "Coronados" and had some lucky escapes in several other incidents. Also here in Cologne sometimes in the late 70th a Spantax CV990 crashed because the pilot forgot to lower the landing gears and was w/o

Spantax only lost 2 CV990s in accidents. EC-BNM crashed in Stockholm in 1970. There is a photo in the database.
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Tue May 16, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Bx737 (Reply 38):
It was recently reported in one of the aviation magazines, can't remember which that EC-BZO was to be restored by AENA (Spanish Airport owners) and painted up in AENA colours

It was Airliners Magazine, No74, March/April 2002. It's sister 990's were broken up in 1993. BZO was donated to the Cuartos Vientos Museo del Aire for restoration, but as of late noting has come to fruition.
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Tue May 16, 2006 5:02 am

The 880's stored at Mojave were aquired upon retirement for a freighter conversion program by American Jet Industries that never took off. As there was no market for the aircraft themselves and consequently no market for their parts there wasnt much incentive to scrap them until fairly recently.
 
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Tue May 16, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 39):
Quoting Bx737 (Reply 38):
It was recently reported in one of the aviation magazines, can't remember which that EC-BZO was to be restored by AENA (Spanish Airport owners) and painted up in AENA colours

It was Airliners Magazine, No74, March/April 2002. It's sister 990's were broken up in 1993.

Thanks for that I knew I read it somewhere.
 
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Tue May 16, 2006 7:30 am

A bit off topic here. Being old is good! I remember getting on some DL 880's in HOU around 1967-68. Back in the fall of 1974 I was driving out to MCI with my Dad and went by the TWA by the Maint. Hanger and there was a bunch of TWA 880's parked there. And in fall of 1975 or 1976 I was with my Dad at Addison Airport near Dallas and there was a white with red stripes 880 that had a small "FAA" painted on the tail. Then in 1999 I was doing on WN DAL-ELP-SAN and holy cow there sat a 990!! I just about lost it as we landed. They were cool planes and glad a few are still around.
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Fri May 19, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Scintx (Reply 42):
Then in 1999 I was doing on WN DAL-ELP-SAN and holy cow there sat a 990!! I just about lost it as we landed. They were cool planes and glad a few are still around.


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This was the last sustained-operating of an 880/900. Old Smokey, as she was called, flew until 1998, She was kept alive from a non-airworthy airframe, that acted as a parts donar. 161572 flew with VX-2, at test squadron at NAWC Pax River, MD. She was an 880M, originally bought by the FAA in the 1960's.

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This was the last air movement of Convair 990. In December of 1991, the former Denver Ports-of-Call/Skyworld/Ciskei Int'l Airways CV990 flew from Ostend, Belgium to El Paso with a stop in Goose Bay for fuel, and at Bangor for customs. It's owned by The Convair 990 Preservation Society. She flew one flight with Ciskei Int'l Airways in 1989, before the carrier shut down. It was a non-scheduled revenue charter, so it never flew in revenue service. The preservation society attempted to get it airworthy again, but had a compressor stall during a high-powered engine cycle. For an aircraft like this, a compressor stall is death for an operating certificate. More than likely, she'll never fly again. But at least she'll be preserved.
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Fri May 19, 2006 3:39 pm

Hi!

I think it would be extremely nice to have one CV880/CV990 in airworthy condition. It would be a way to show to the future generations a family of airplanes that were not popular in their sales but gave a big contribution to civil aviation and air travelling.
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Fri May 19, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 43):
This was the last sustained-operating of an 880/900. Old Smokey, as she was called, flew until 1998, She was kept alive from a non-airworthy airframe, that acted as a parts donar. 161572 flew with VX-2, at test squadron at NAWC Pax River, MD. She was an 880M, originally bought by the FAA in the 1960's.

-1998? From what I read on airlinerlist.com and the old convair880.com that plane actually probably flew for the last time IIRC on 30 September 1993. Have you any information to the effect that this is not true?



This was the last air movement of Convair 990. In December of 1991, the former Denver Ports-of-Call/Skyworld/Ciskei Int'l Airways CV990 flew from Ostend, Belgium to El Paso with a stop in Goose Bay for fuel, and at Bangor for customs. It's owned by The Convair 990 Preservation Society. She flew one flight with Ciskei Int'l Airways in 1989, before the carrier shut down. It was a non-scheduled revenue charter, so it never flew in revenue service. The preservation society attempted to get it airworthy again, but had a compressor stall during a high-powered engine cycle. For an aircraft like this, a compressor stall is death for an operating certificate. More than likely, she'll never fly again. But at least she'll be preserved.

-From what I understand, the plane isn't owned by the Convair Preservation Society, though they had wanted to aquire it. I think its owner is the millionare David Tokoph. It is currently on sale for a bargain-basement price.

Regarding the FAA CV880s, their status is as follows. The two aforementioned planese are ex-TWA planes, serial numbers 3 and 13. They were used for FAA tests at Atlantic City, NJ. Ship 3 first had its tail cut off but in March of this year was completely scrapped, except that the cockpit was acquired by Doug Scroggins, who also owns the Team Convair CV880 at Mojave. He also acquired Ship 13 and as of last report, some museums are interested in it. Info from www.convairjet.com
 
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Sat May 20, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting Duke (Reply 45):
-1998? From what I read on airlinerlist.com and the old convair880.com that plane actually probably flew for the last time IIRC on 30 September 1993. Have you any information to the effect that this is not true?

I remember reading in an issue of All Hands magazine(an internal Navy magazine) about the retirement of it and a chronology of it's career. It highlighted it's inclusion in a missile project and it's last flight with was noted as December of 1998. So that's as much as I can remember.
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RE: Close Up Pics Of The Mallorca CV990

Mon May 22, 2006 1:26 am

When was the last flight by Spantax with EC-BZO. Most publications say it was in 1987, could anyone shed some light on it

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