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?! The First A380 Floor Plan! Find The Details!

Wed May 10, 2006 6:34 am

Flight published the recently completed A380 floor plan.

at first glance:

- 474 seats
- lounge in upperdeck nose
- 2 seemingly different F(!?) classes on each deck
- lots of other interesting details

This is obviously a test configuration. An enormous amout of galleys, lavatories, bunks etc. probably to test as much functionality as possible.

Enjoy & please share interesting details you find.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=12642
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http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...trip+with+474+passengers+this.html

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Wed May 10, 2006 6:39 am

Damn that is sweet....looks like a cruise ship cabin interior.... sweet!
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:42 am

Now that you look at it there just doesn't seem to be that much to it. Not as much First and Raffles Class seating as I expected. I suppose they understand yield management more than I do though it must be a good mix if it sticks.
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:43 am

I cant help but think they should have out in more seats in the first class cabin. 4 abreast on an A380! Seems to be a big gap between the outer first class seats and the interior walls. A waste of Space? If they rotated the outer first seats 45degrees there would be room for maybe 4 more.

I like the stairs at the rear. The economy section looks no different to that on a 744 really.

Looking at this closely, there seems to be no interior features that are not already on 747/A340/777. I was expecting at least a bar at the front of the plane. I have to say im a bit dissapointed. It also makes me wonder about realistic 748 seating arrangements and seat miles 450? Dont think so.

[Edited 2006-05-09 23:48:37]
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- 2 seemingly different F(!?) classes on each deck

Was SQ planning 4 class all along? Looks like they have some sort of premium economy at 8 abreast on the main deck.

And what's up with all that space between the window and the window side seats in the main deck F class?

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Wed May 10, 2006 6:47 am

It definitely is a little underwhelming, IMO...however since this is a test configuration, Im sure we'll see a bit more "jazz" out of the various configs of the airlines who operate it...

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Wed May 10, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Flight published the recently completed A380 floor plan.

Are we absolutely sure this is the configuration selected by SQ?

I had the impression this was an experimental cabin to test the aircraft systems and furnishings, not an airline selected cabin. I didn't see anything in the article that hinted this was specifically for SQ.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):

at first glance:
- 474 seats

So maybe the A388 really isn't a realistic 555-seat aircraft after all?  eyebrow 

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- 2 seemingly different F(!?) classes on each deck

Perhaps they are installing several different service levels to they can simultaneously test as many cabin items as possible. The aircraft also appears to have a premium economy cabin, and I wasn't under the impression that SQ would be installing Y+

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
- lounge in upperdeck nose

If I have my scale right, those couches have enough room for 3-4 bums each...
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:48 am

Folks I realized this can´t be the SQ. It´s the #2 aircraft.. that´s why it has 2 different F classes, a relatively small business class & an seemingly enormous amount of galleys.. I still had time to correct the start of the thread.

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Wed May 10, 2006 6:50 am

I am going out on a limb and assume that this is an Airbus crafted interior and has no relation to the actual Singapore Airlines Limited plan...
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:53 am

Keesje, thanks for posting this.

Let's all keep in mind that this may not be the configuration that SQ fit for operational use. Then again, it may be. I do think it's odd that F, C, and Y are each found on both decks. I would have put F followed by Y on the maindeck and C followed by XY on the upper deck.

Another possibility is that SQ are still testing different seats, though I doubt this is the case. I would have expected that seats would already have been chosen and contracts let.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
So maybe the A388 really isn't a realistic 555-seat aircraft after all?

As always it depends. 555 is what Airbus quotes in a typical 3 class layout. I think something like 480 was the lowest planned number to date (SQ?). Most airlines will have around 540 in 3 classes.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:56 am

Looks like the seating plan for the virtual flight Airbus will be taking the A380 on next week - every type of seat a customer has requested and every galley and restroom layout.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
So maybe the A388 really isn't a realistic 555-seat aircraft after all?

I know you were probably joking, but at what point does Airbus stop being responsible for the number of seats an airline places onboard the A380? There have been comments made on this forum deriding the A380 for the 555 seat layout as not being a huge jump over the 747-400s typical seating numbers, and remarks were made when it became known that some airlines were looking at a 474 seat layout, but Airbus has all along provided an aircraft capable of 873 pax at the extreme and probably more than 650 at a suitable comfort level.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
So maybe the A388 really isn't a realistic 555-seat aircraft after all?

You can perfectly put 555 seats in it & taking the same specifications a B748i would seat about 410.
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:58 am

I'd also just like to add...

Where's the space gone?!

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Wed May 10, 2006 6:59 am

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Wed May 10, 2006 6:59 am

Just a test interior - nothing to do with Singapore Airlines.

Given how secretive airlines are being about their real plans for the A380's interior, SQ wouldn't ever give permssion for Airbus to use their actual planned layout and publish it for their competitors to see...

Same goes for any other A380 customer with the possible exceptions of UPS and FedEx!

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Wed May 10, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 4):
Looks like they have some sort of premium economy at 8 abreast on the main deck.

That looks more like Business Class to me. Premium Economy would probably be 7 abreast on the upperdeck.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:09 am

Yeah, its definately a test interior, you can see positions for 'F T Engineer Station' and 'O F E Engineer Seat' on the lower deck, right where it is on the current test aircraft.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
I had the impression this was an experimental cabin to test the aircraft systems and furnishings, not an airline selected cabin.

If you look carefully at the layout diagram, you'll find that on the main deck, right after the cluster of galleys, there is a Flight Engineer Station, including some rest seats for the engineers who will monitor the 5hr test from inside...
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:16 am

You can also find some flight engineer seats & workstations on the main deck, probably to monitor / carry out tests

The main deck seems not optimal for business class if you don´t want middle seats. Maindeck B zone is most likely economy plus like on ULH SQ A345s.

First class maindeck seats look like the EK´s A340 F seats, lots of room left over.

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Wed May 10, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):
That looks more like Business Class to me. Premium Economy would probably be 7 abreast on the upperdeck

I assumed the 6 abreast on the upper deck was business class.
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:21 am

I don't know about you, but my personal lounge is a little smaller than I expected. The two personally-reserved first-class pods are pretty nice, however. Big grin
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 4):
Was SQ planning 4 class all along?



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
Are we absolutely sure this is the configuration selected by SQ?

If you would care to read the article, you would see that this is the Airbus interior, not the SQ interior. This is the interior which Airbus will use for their virtual and real test flights on MSN002, which is going to Etihad, IIRC. I don't believe that SQ would allow Airbus to reveal the secrets of their A380 interior on their test flights. SQ will probably keep that under wraps until the appropriate time.

The article claims that this is a three-class layout, though to me it looks more like a four-class, with first, business and economy on the top deck, and first, economy plus and economy on the lower deck.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):
That looks more like Business Class to me.

In that case, it's a business class with a horrible pitch, just slightly better than economy. To me, the 2-2-2 on the top deck looks more like a typical business class.
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:24 am

I like that they have upper deck lavs right over seats. Hope they never have a leak.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:28 am

Detail: row 33abc can be shielded off for medical emergency (someone ill). For people worse then ill room is reserved in the upperdeck rear galley.
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:29 am

IMO we are looking at a test configuration only.

If Singapore Airlines/Airbus would leak some info about their interiors, they would do it in style and not in the form of a low resolution LOPA.

I still believe that they will provide some detailed info before their first flight (yes hopefully before end of the year, finger crossed), but in a way that will impress their customers without having them to use a magnifying glass to know what is going on.

IMO anyway, main deck is the place to put F/C as it offers wider section compared with upper deck. I am also curious to see if F/C and Business Class lavatories are going to have the luxury of a window. Finally, as much as I can see, none of the much discussed showers has been adopted at least in this configuration.

Let's wait and see...

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Wed May 10, 2006 7:47 am

Won't First Class passengers seated in "window seats" on the main deck have difficulty looking out the windows?
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 22):
In that case, it's a business class with a horrible pitch, just slightly better than economy.

Good point. I wasn't paying attention to the pitch. Shame on me.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:57 am

There is an Engineering Station on the A380 however i was under belief that it was in the flight deck, on the rear wall... a Laptop folds down for engineering functions (Including pulling C/B's)...
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Wed May 10, 2006 11:37 am

Has anyone compared this to the photos of the completed EY interior that was going around last month ? Think someone posted them on here.
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Wed May 10, 2006 11:49 am

Looking at that...I don't hear the "MOOOOO" of a cattle hauler. I'm sure that will change...

Thanks for finding that diagram...
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Wed May 10, 2006 11:53 am

On the upper deck, in front of the lounge, what is the space for? (Above the Flight deck)

It says E.E. Bay and what looks like J.F.E. It looks like there is a door or access way there.

I had thought it was going to be a rest area. But it looks like the rest area is on the rear upper deck only. (I figure 10 bunks in that rest area.)
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RE:?! The First A380 Floor Plan! Find The Details!

Wed May 10, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 3):
I cant help but think they should have out in more seats in the first class cabin. 4 abreast on an A380! Seems to be a big gap between the outer first class seats and the interior walls.



Quoting Leelaw (Reply 26):
Won't First Class passengers seated in "window seats" on the main deck have difficulty looking out the windows?

One possible explanation is that they're trying out an F configuration destined for the upper deck (5.28 m usable width, instead of 6.30 m downstairs), but didn't have enough space on the upper deck to test two different F cabins at a time.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
So maybe the A388 really isn't a realistic 555-seat aircraft after all?

The seat numbers are always goofy... usable floor area is a more representative (though not ideal) metric. The A388 has 552 m2 to the 748I's 407 m2. Given those numbers, if you really wanted to use seat count as a metric, you could fairly compare:

555 seats on an A388 to 409 seats on a 748I
450 seats on a 748I to 610 seats on an A388

And, lest anyone call it into question, the 552 m2 figure for the A380 is usable cabin floor area and already accounts for the upper deck wall curvature. The math can be found here, for anyone who doesn't believe it...
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Wed May 10, 2006 12:39 pm

I have a hard time rationalizing all this talk about 'jazzy this' and 'jazzy that.' When the widebody first was introduced--747s followed by the DC-10s and L-1011s--it was all about 'jazzy this' and 'jazzy that.' AA had piano lounges, for goodness sakes. But it wasn't long before the whole idea of lounges died a quick death; gone were the pianos and bars and sofas. Hello, more seats.

So, what's different now? Yeah, a whole lot more room. But that's the same kind of 'Ooohing' and 'Ahhhing' all the airlines did back when the widebodies came into play. They saw a whole lot more room, too, when all they had up till then were 707s and DC-8s.

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Wed May 10, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 33):
I have a hard time rationalizing all this talk about 'jazzy this' and 'jazzy that.' When the widebody first was introduced--747s followed by the DC-10s and L-1011s--it was all about 'jazzy this' and 'jazzy that.' AA had piano lounges, for goodness sakes. But it wasn't long before the whole idea of lounges died a quick death; gone were the pianos and bars and sofas. Hello, more seats.

Actually, the coach and first class "lounges" (in the case of AA "piano bars") were added during the "energy crisis" of the early seventies (circa 1973), when the airlines were having great difficulty selling seats, and their newly acquired widebodies were flying half-empty. It was purely a gimmick to sell seats, and these areas were promptly removed once traffic picked-up later in the decade. Certainly, the relatively spacious lounges that were added to UA, AA, and CO 747s and DC-10s of the seventies, make what we see on the upper deck of this A380 (as well as VS aircraft currently) look like a joke in comparison.

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Wed May 10, 2006 2:20 pm

Obviously this is not a configuration any airline would use... 24 First Class seats and 24 business class seats... then the rest premium economy and economy... How many major international airlines do you know that have the same number of F as C on their longhaul aircraft?? Not many. And on a plane larger than a 744, wouldn't you expect more than 48 premium seats?? (especially a "Flagship" of an airline's fleet)

I think the typical A380 will have 12-18 First class seats, 60-100 Business class, and the rest Y+ and Y. First and Business would be most logically placed upstairs as 4 abreast for first and 6 for business is typical and feasible for the upper deck. 8 abreast for Y+ and 10 or Y would fit perfectly on the main deck. Furthermore, the overhead bins on the upper deck seem to have less space due to the curvature of the fuselage, and F and C needs less storage space since the rows are so far apart...
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting Willyj (Reply 35):
Obviously this is not a configuration any airline would use

If the customer airlines indeed intend to include significant common area amenities like lounges, bars, etc., I don't understand why they wouldn't be included on a "virtual first flight" test aircraft which will proceed to ELF testing to study how such amenities will impact on cabin service/operations?

[Edited 2006-05-10 07:53:03]
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Wed May 10, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 28):
There is an Engineering Station on the A380 however i was under belief that it was in the flight deck, on the rear wall... a Laptop folds down for engineering functions (Including pulling C/B's)...

The engineers stations are the Flight Test Engineers stations to monitor how everything is behaving during the tests.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 31):
It says E.E. Bay and what looks like J.F.E. It looks like there is a door or access way there.

That's the forward avionics bay.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 5:43 pm

There's also a "possible" Virgin Atlantic config that has been uploaded at V-Flyer.com. I'm sure the actual Virgin configuration will be quite different, but still fun to see what it might look like!



Can't wait to see what ends up happening with these big beauties!

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Wed May 10, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting PanAm747LHR (Reply 38):
There's also a "possible" Virgin Atlantic config that has been uploaded at V-Flyer.com. I'm sure the actual Virgin configuration will be quite different, but still fun to see what it might look like!

Looks like the Premium Economy won't be having any lavs. Or will they have to use the economy ones?
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:08 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 39):
Looks like the Premium Economy won't be having any lavs. Or will they have to use the economy ones?

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Wed May 10, 2006 6:15 pm

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 39):
Looks like the Premium Economy won't be having any lavs. Or will they have to use the economy ones?

That's enough to make it clear that this is not a configuration developed by VS.
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:19 pm

Lots of lay-out have circulated during the last 5 years, I think the MSN02 is the first real one.

The different seat / cabin lay-outs have no other use to test all different systems together. E.g. MTOW climb from a hot place, all ovens / cooling full power, as well as IFE; how does the airco perform, in all corners of the aircraft..

LHT made a VVIP design aimed at bored oil princes to show of to other bored oil princes probably..

must have some interesting CASM..
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:44 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 29):
Has anyone compared this to the photos of the completed EY interior that was going around last month ? Think someone posted them on here.

Have you got a link or something? I'm very curious  Smile

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Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 33):
So, what's different now? Yeah, a whole lot more room. But that's the same kind of 'Ooohing' and 'Ahhhing' all the airlines did back when the widebodies came into play. They saw a whole lot more room, too, when all they had up till then were 707s and DC-8s.

My $0.02: I'm glad we're oohing and ahhing about a real deployed cabin layout (granted, just a test one, but anyway..) instead of a bunch of kegs filled with water. IMHO it's exciting!
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Wed May 10, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 44):
it's exciting

I suppose anything compared to a water keg is exciting. To my taste it looks like the same old cattle car expanded to 474 seats, spread over two decks. I'm not sure why a passenger would want to pay a fare premium to travel in this layout other than the novelty-factor of flying on the A380. Perhaps the test fit-out on MSN007 (which is coming soon) will be somewhat more imaginative and closer to what will be seen in service.
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Wed May 10, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 45):
I'm not sure why a passenger would want to pay a fare premium to travel in this layout other than the novelty-factor of flying on the A380.

To savor the disembarkation experience longer.  Wink
 
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Wed May 10, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 45):
I'm not sure why a passenger would want to pay a fare premium to travel in this layout other than the novelty-factor of flying on the A380.

I agree that there would probably be no difference for a Y passenger traveling on a similarly configured 747 vs A380.

However, SQ and a few other A380 airlines have stated they're coming out with spectacular new First and Business class products on the A380s. Those passengers might be willing to pay a lot more to experience the ultra-premium service they will be offering.

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Quoting Max999 (Reply 47):
However, SQ and a few other A380 airlines have stated they're coming out with spectacular new First and Business class products on the A380s.

Perhaps that's the plan, nevertheless, even the "spectacular" needs to be tested and certified, and it doesn't look like anything close to spectacular in terms of cabin fittings is being tested and/or certified with this layout. As I said before, perhaps we'll see something a little more compelling when the test-fit cabin of MSN007 is revealed soon.
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Thu May 11, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 15):
Given how secretive airlines are being about their real plans for the A380's interior, SQ wouldn't ever give permssion for Airbus to use their actual planned layout and publish it for their competitors to see

Correct !

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 4):
And what's up with all that space between the window and the window side seats in the main deck F class?

This is shelf/storage space and also contains foot level A/C ducting

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 26):
Won't First Class passengers seated in "window seats" on the main deck have difficulty looking out the windows?

No you can see perfectly well outside...