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Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 7:52 am

The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] will deliver the first 787-9 Dreamliner to Air New Zealand in December 2010. Boeing and ANZ, along with engine-maker Rolls-Royce, held a ceremonial signing today in which ANZ converted its original order for four 787-8 airplanes to four 787-9 airplanes.

"Being the first airline to introduce the 787-9 aircraft will enable Air New Zealand to provide a superior, first-to-market experience for our customers and is a most desirable position for us to be in given the unprecedented sales success of the Boeing 787 model," said Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe.

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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 7:55 am

That's awesome news! I can't wait to see the first a/c to roll out in their colors. I'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of the 787!

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Fri May 12, 2006 7:59 am

Wow little old Air New Zealand as the launch customer for a plane. Who would have ever thought? It sure seems like they like Boeing for their long haul fleet, and Boeing is working hard to keep them as a customer.

I wonder if this will be a signal for more confirmed to come out. I would expect at least some current orders will be for the 787-900. It is just interesting that Air New Zealand will get the first plane. They should get some publicity out of this at least when it shows up to airshows and stuff in their livery.
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Fri May 12, 2006 8:03 am

So does this free up 4 2008 787-8 production slots?
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:05 am

Well the 787-9 had 44 orders before NZ's conversion, so this brings the total to 48.

LCAL of China was the first order for the 787-9 (12/31/05), however NZ placed their original four frame 787-8 order on 8/25/04, so I guess that is why Boeing is giving them the "launch customer" honorific and letting them have the first frames.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
and KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines Limited's Frequent Flyer Programme.

Is this really necessary!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 3):
So does this free up 4 2008 787-8 production slots?

I believe Air NZ's original delivery slots were for 2010 anyway, so no, I'm guessing it wont free up any slots. THough they do talk of the possibility of leasing a few -8s before that time. Pity they didn't increase their order at the same time. Though I expect they are waiting for the -10 to be officially launched so they can replace the leased 772s from 2012 or so.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 10:03 am

What does this change by NZ mean?
Does it open up more destinations, city pairs etc or is it just a seat/aircraft size change?

Is it a replacement for anything?
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 7):
What does this change by NZ mean?

I assume this is the HGW version or is that the only version that is now being offered ? If they go 3,3,3 with the seating they will have a seat count about the same as the -200ER. The cabin length is only 2' 4" shorter.
Looking at one of Widebodyphotog's tables , the 787-9HGW will carry about 86% of the load of the -200ER using about 72% of the fuel. Quite an advantage I would say on those routes where the lesser payload is sufficient.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 11:19 am

Oy, yet another all white flying tube in the sky.

Can't ANYONE fly an aircraft that shows a modicum of originality in its livery? (AF and DL I can forgive; they both have the most beautiful tails in the skies; the rest of the aircraft, well, feh!)
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
LCAL of China was the first order for the 787-9 (12/31/05),

I thought it was AC that first ordered the B787-9???

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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9):
Oy, yet another all white flying tube in the sky.

NZ is about to unveil a new livery in June poss. I understand from other threads that it is a tail change and the removal of the Pacific Wave but I'm not sure if anything is replacing it so maybe the tail will make up for the all white tube.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 12:15 pm

I always thought NZ would initially take delivery of 787-8s and then order 787-10s, with the -10s replacing 772s.... oh well there goes that theory. Guess they will just use 787-9s across the board rather than a divided -8s and -10s fleet.
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Fri May 12, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 12):
I always thought NZ would initially take delivery of 787-8s and then order 787-10s, with the -10s replacing 772s.... oh well there goes that theory. Guess they will just use 787-9s across the board rather than a divided -8s and -10s fleet

They are only getting the 772s now, why would they go out the door so soon?
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 13):
They are only getting the 772s now, why would they go out the door so soon?

Because they only own 4, they lease the other 4... and the 787-10 wont be available until 2012 at the earliest, by which time the 777's will be 6 or 7 years old.
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Airzim (Reply 5):
Is this really necessary!

nope, not sure why it is there...!

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 7):
Is it a replacement for anything?

replacement for 767-300ER
expect further 787 firming of orders from NZ, probably in the area of 8x 788 and as mentioned elsewhere 787-10 to replace the 4 leased 772ER.

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 8):
I assume this is the HGW version or is that the only version that is now being offered ? If they go 3,3,3 with the seating they will have a seat count about the same as the -200ER. The cabin length is only 2' 4" shorter.
Looking at one of Widebodyphotog's tables , the 787-9HGW will carry about 86% of the load of the -200ER using about 72% of the fuel. Quite an advantage I would say on those routes where the lesser payload is sufficient.

NZ generally doesn't like sardine tin configurations in Y, expect 2-4-2 seating(8 across) rather than 3-3-3 (9 across) with 32-33" pitch. NZ is more interested in longer range for its a/c (all its 767s were ER versions) so yes HGW if it is still an option rather than being the only version would be a high probability. 787-10 will operate the routes that require more capacity... NZ has options for these.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9):
Oy, yet another all white flying tube in the sky.

Can't ANYONE fly an aircraft that shows a modicum of originality in its livery? (AF and DL I can forgive; they both have the most beautiful tails in the skies; the rest of the aircraft, well, feh!)

NZ has had this scheme for 10 years and many people around the world consider it to be one of the nicest schemes around! It is however being replaced as we speak.

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 14):
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 13):
They are only getting the 772s now, why would they go out the door so soon?

Because they only own 4, they lease the other 4... and the 787-10 wont be available until 2012 at the earliest, by which time the 777's will be 6 or 7 years old.

Which is not very old but it is about the time the a/c will need a major D check so it is a good time to move the a/c on to another operator (there is still high demand for used 772ERs) perhaps NZ will even move all of them off by 2013 (as the 787-10 is launched in 2012) leaving NZ with a longhaul fleet of 787-9, 787-10, 747-8 (or Y3 if Boeing brings this project forward).
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 2:07 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 10):
I thought it was AC that first ordered the B787-9???

According to Boeing press release, they were. But the press release states that "The order is subject to several conditions including final documentation. The companies expect to finalize the agreement by mid-year." That still should have beat LCAL's date of 12/31/05. Maybe when they firmed up the deal they went straight -8's. Straight -8's is what wikipedia shows for what it's worth.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050425h.html

Anyway, congrats to NZ, I think it is a good move. They could use the range.

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Fri May 12, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Air New Zealand is a Member of Star Alliance - The Airline Network For Earth - and KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines Limited's Frequent Flyer Programme.

Bloody Hell, i saw your name on it and i thought "wait for the singapore logo, picture or mention of singapore airlines" sure enough......  Wink
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Fri May 12, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting WorldXplorer (Reply 16):
Maybe when they firmed up the deal they went straight -8's. Straight -8's is what wikipedia shows for what it's worth.

why does everyone look to wiki when boeing has the information in their order books on the website?

Air Canada has only booked 787-8s, 14 of them.

They never said the INITIAL order would be for 788s, but that it would be part of the options and purchase rights.
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 2:47 pm

Excellent news. I'd say the main reason for the change from the 788 to the 789 is the extra range.
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 17):
Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Air New Zealand is a Member of Star Alliance - The Airline Network For Earth - and KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines Limited's Frequent Flyer Programme.

Bloody Hell, i saw your name on it and i thought "wait for the singapore logo, picture or mention of singapore airlines" sure enough......

well it backfired for me - his use of "Limited" rather than "Ltd" actually made me think at first glance he was rubbishing the programme

ie

I read it as "SQ's limited FF programme"  Big grin
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 3:31 pm

Excellent news and very exciting as NZ (I dont think) has been a launch customer for Boeing (very modest airline)  shy 

So what routes will we see direct from AKL.................YVR,ORD,JFK,BOM???
Very exciting me as well .......way to go NZ!!
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
It sure seems like they like Boeing for their long haul fleet, and Boeing is working hard to keep them as a customer.

NZ have said that they prefer Boeing for long haul
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Fri May 12, 2006 4:00 pm

NZ1 did you know about this??
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Fri May 12, 2006 4:05 pm

Quoting Airzim (Reply 5):
Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
and KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines Limited's Frequent Flyer Programme.

Is this really necessary!

I like it. I know when I see his name there will be something about SQ in his posts. At least he is upfront about his bias!

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Fri May 12, 2006 4:52 pm

Do airlines that launch aircraft also launch new liveries when that aircraft is delivered? Just curious

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Fri May 12, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting NZAA (Reply 23):
NZ1 did you know about this??

Yes I did, but it was too hot a potatoe to reveal on here before the official release. I hope you understand. I will say though, that this isn't the end of the matter, you can expect announcements for more aircraft in the not too distant future.

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Fri May 12, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 26):
I will say though, that this isn't the end of the matter, you can expect announcements for more aircraft in the not too distant future.

Well aren't you a cockpit tease!  Smile
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Fri May 12, 2006 5:13 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 15):
expect further 787 firming of orders from NZ, probably in the area of 8x 788 and as mentioned elsewhere 787-10 to replace the 4 leased 772ER.



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 26):
will say though, that this isn't the end of the matter, you can expect announcements for more aircraft in the not too distant future.

I can confirm this also
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Fri May 12, 2006 5:22 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 29):
Because we wouldn't believe NZ1?

That's not a very nice thing to write, is it? What's wrong with confirmation from a second source? Why belittle someone who is apparently trying to be helpful?
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 5:27 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 29):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
I can confirm this also

Because we wouldn't believe NZ1?

I don't know why you said that because NZ1 is a very respected member on this forum and is trust worthy with his info. Your comment was totally out of line and IMO a total insult to NZ1. There is nothing wrong with 1 or more other members confirming what another member said
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Fri May 12, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 31):
I don't know why you said that because NZ1 is a very respected member on this forum and is trust worthy with his info. Your comment was totally out of line and IMO a total insult to NZ1. There is nothing wrong with 1 or more other members confirming what another member said

NZ1 is the only person on his respected users list. I would say he actually was thinking you were insulting NZ1.
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Fri May 12, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 15):
replacement for 767-300ER
expect further 787 firming of orders from NZ, probably in the area of 8x 788 and as mentioned elsewhere 787-10 to replace the 4 leased 772ER

oops I made a typo there and was too late to be able to edit it...
should read "8x 789" not 8x 788...
NZ is however still looking at at least leasing some 788 in the mean time 2008 onwards... most likely 4 to replace 763ER
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Fri May 12, 2006 6:26 pm

Quoting Flyer88 (Reply 21):
So what routes will we see direct from AKL.................YVR,ORD,JFK,BOM???

This change to the 787-9 adds about 20% more payload over the -8 ,but not range . In fact the range of the -9 is less than the -200ER with max. payload.
It is strictly a type to fly the typical NZ route structure to coastal Asia and the west coast of North America using less fuel per unit of payload.
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 6:49 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 34):
This change to the 787-9 adds about 20% more payload over the -8 ,but not range . In fact the range of the -9 is less than the -200ER with max. payload.
It is strictly a type to fly the typical NZ route structure to coastal Asia and the west coast of North America using less fuel per unit of payload.

where did you get that info from???  scratchchin 
Boeings website lists the 777-200ER as having a max range of 7730nm
the 787-9 has a max range of 8800nm... the 787-800 has a max range of 8500nm now of course that is Boeings figures.. in reality the 772ER has about 7000nm max range in most configurations, and the 789 will have about 8000nm..., and the 788 7600nm.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-9prod.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-8prod.html

now AKL-YVR is 6121nm (which after taking into account safety margins, contingency fuel etc etc and useful payload puts it outside the 772ER's range). It is however within the range of both the 788 and 789... the difference being the the 789 can do it much more easily and with a greater payload. As for ORD and JFK have a look at the map below... With a slightly lighter load JFK becomes possible in the 789. Not possible with any decent load in the 788.

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Fri May 12, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting Airzim (Reply 5):
Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
and KrisFlyer, Singapore Airlines Limited's Frequent Flyer Programme.

Is this really necessary!

No its not necessary!
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 34):
This change to the 787-9 adds about 20% more payload over the -8 ,but not range . In fact the range of the -9 is less than the -200ER with max. payload.
It is strictly a type to fly the typical NZ route structure to coastal Asia and the west coast of North America using less fuel per unit of payload.



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 35):
where did you get that info from???
Boeings website lists the 777-200ER as having a max range of 7730nm
the 787-9 has a max range of 8800nm... the 787-800 has a max range of 8500nm now of course that is Boeings figures.. in reality the 772ER has about 7000nm max range in most configurations, and the 789 will have about 8000nm..., and the 788 7600nm.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-9prod.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/787-8prod.html

now AKL-YVR is 6121nm (which after taking into account safety margins, contingency fuel etc etc and useful payload puts it outside the 772ER's range). It is however within the range of both the 788 and 789... the difference being the the 789 can do it much more easily and with a greater payload. As for ORD and JFK have a look at the map below... With a slightly lighter load JFK becomes possible in the 789. Not possible with any decent load in the 788.

Yeah this is what I got when I looked at the boeing website. Both aircrafts (B777ER and 787) can do AKL to YVR non stop easily.
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:05 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 32):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 31):
I don't know why you said that because NZ1 is a very respected member on this forum and is trust worthy with his info. Your comment was totally out of line and IMO a total insult to NZ1. There is nothing wrong with 1 or more other members confirming what another member said

NZ1 is the only person on his respected users list. I would say he actually was thinking you were insulting NZ1.

Yes I accept that, and if that was the case then I apologize for any mis-understanding
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:09 pm

is it me or does that tail looks bigger than the ones from the official pics from the boeing website?
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 35):
now AKL-YVR is 6121nm (which after taking into account safety margins, contingency fuel etc etc and useful payload puts it outside the 772ER's range). It is however within the range of both the 788 and 789... the difference being the the 789 can do it much more easily and with a greater payload. As for ORD and JFK have a look at the map below... With a slightly lighter load JFK becomes possible in the 789. Not possible with any decent load in the 788.

Fingers crossed they will get more and fly to these destinations.. And beat AC to get the AKL-YVR route. They need more, especially if they only order 8 748's just for replacement. Would NZ prefer YVR over a Mid-West city in USA? Or is the AKL-ORD desired for the UA link?
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 34):
This change to the 787-9 adds about 20% more payload over the -8 ,but not range . In fact the range of the -9 is less than the -200ER with max. payload.
It is strictly a type to fly the typical NZ route structure to coastal Asia and the west coast of North America using less fuel per unit of payload.

Not true. The 787-9 data in Boeing's brochure is for the old 508K lbs MTOW variant rather than the current 540K lbs variant, which has a range of 8600-8800nm. One can extrapolate from the old -9 payload range curve that the extra 32K lbs TOW would allow range with max payload of 121,000 lbs to be boosted up to between 6000nm to 6200nm from around 4700nm for the old spec. In comparison, the 656,000lbs MTOW 772ER flies about 5800nm with its max payload of 135,000lbs. At a reduced payload of 121,000lbs, the 772ER should fly about 6100nm to 6200nm.
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:26 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 40):
Fingers crossed they will get more and fly to these destinations.. And beat AC to get the AKL-YVR route. They need more, especially if they only order 8 748's just for replacement. Would NZ prefer YVR over a Mid-West city in USA? Or is the AKL-ORD desired for the UA link?

YVR, ORD, JFK are the 3 preferred direct services that NZ is looking at. YVR is the most likely in the short term as it is unlikely to cannibalise AKL-LAX and will more likely grow the market.
ORD because it is UA's main hub and is quite central.
JFK because NY is such an important market and so many tourists to New Zealand come from NY.
Another possibility which is more feasible range wise is DFW. The problem with DFW is that UA/US doesn't have a large presence there, it is dominated by One World (AA), and the local surrounding area is not a huge market for inbound tourists to New Zealand. If they can work out the timings and codeshares with UA/US however it may become a possibility...
either way of the 3 extra USA destinations only expect a maximum of 2 to be selected otherwise it will cannibalise AKL-LAX too much (which needs high loadings as it is 744 operated).
YVR is pretty odds on to be added sooner rather than later.
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:35 pm

Just off the topic abit. I was just looking in Carina and see that for the month of AUG TG has reduced their daily flight into AKL to 6 operating everyday except for Thursday. I thought that they were looking at reducing capacity but nothing was confirmed.
 
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Fri May 12, 2006 7:48 pm

I remember something when NZ first ordered the 787 and said something about helping with the building of the 787. Now that one of the 772's they were using to test the engines isn't happening, what else are they doing to help?
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Fri May 12, 2006 8:04 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 34):
where did you get that info from??? scratchchin


I pay only limited attention to Boeing's tables. Widebodyphotog's tables are of much more practical value. Go to the following links and check the range with max. payload data. These are the "numbers" that count for a carrier like NZ that is hauling both passengers and freight. For this reason the range of 4500nm with max. payload for the 787-10 would not fit NZ's route structure in my view. It suffers from the same deficiency as the original 787-9. In my view Boeing will have to introduce a HGW version of the -10 for it to be of interest to NZ and I expect this is dependent on the development of a suitable engine.
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:09 pm

Back when the DC10 was only a paper plane, NZ was the first launch customer and was the first airline to receive the DC10
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:19 pm

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Back when the DC10 was only a paper plane, NZ was the first launch customer and was the first airline to receive the DC10

Perhaps you are referring to the -30 version of the DC10 ?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 44):
In my view Boeing will have to introduce a HGW version of the -10 for it to be of interest to NZ and I expect this is dependent on the development of a suitable engine.

Correct. Introduction of a HGW B787-10 is dependant on three things:
1) availability of suitable engines,
2) development of a two-wheel center bogey (as with the A340), and
3) market demand.

2) is straightforward and 3) seems to be there. 1) seems to be the sticking point.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 46):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 45):
Back when the DC10 was only a paper plane, NZ was the first launch customer and was the first airline to receive the DC10

Perhaps you are referring to the -30 version of the DC10 ?

As NZ operated the -30 version then yes
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RE: Air New Zealand Launches Boeing 787-9

Fri May 12, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 44):
I pay only limited attention to Boeing's tables. Widebodyphotog's tables are of much more practical value. Go to the following links and check the range with max. payload data. These are the "numbers" that count for a carrier like NZ that is hauling both passengers and freight. For this reason the range of 4500nm with max. payload for the 787-10 would not fit NZ's route structure in my view. It suffers from the same deficiency as the original 787-9. In my view Boeing will have to introduce a HGW version of the -10 for it to be of interest to NZ and I expect this is dependent on the development of a suitable engine.
http://theaviationspecialist.com/787_family.gif
http://theaviationspecialist.com/300...e.gif

um we're talking about the 787-9 here..... and not the original -9 either... the new one which has a HGW.
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