congaboy
Posts: 258
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:48 am

How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 1:39 am

Was checking out the pictures of the new livery for Go! on this site, and saw that the aircraft picture was taken in PHX. It then occured to me, "how is this thing going to make it to Hawaii?". Looking up the stats here on airliners.net, I found the following:

100 - High speed cruise 851km/h (459kt), typical cruising speed 786km/h (424kt). Range with max payload at long range cruising speed with reserves 1815km (980nm).
200LR - Speeds same. Range with max payload at long range cruising speed and reserves over 3713km (2005nm).

The distance from LAX is 2563...what's the trick?
"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?"
 
777STL
Posts: 2770
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:22 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 1:42 am

My guess would be in-cabin fuel tanks as QF did with their 717s.
PHX based
 
ANother
Posts: 1833
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:47 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 1:45 am

Maybe they will fly from SFO, which is closer (you check it out - true!). The ranges that you are quoting are for normal operations - a flight with nothing but two pilots and some extra fuel will have longer legs.
 
2H4
Posts: 7960
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:11 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 1:55 am




Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
in-cabin fuel tanks


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Willem Honders
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © James Richard Covington






2H4


Intentionally Left Blank
 
congaboy
Posts: 258
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:48 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 2):
Maybe they will fly from SFO, which is closer (you check it out - true!).

Yea, you're right...I have 2395 miles. So empty, with extra tanks, and slightly shorter hop, they make it. The installation and de-installation has to be rather costly, considering the down-time...and multiplied by what, maybe 10 aircraft?
"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?"
 
User avatar
4everRC
Posts: 256
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:53 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Congaboy (Thread starter):
"how is this thing going to make it to Hawaii?"

Maybe they can hire NASA to strap them to the top of their 747 space shuttle hauler?

:D
Nobody served our republic like Republic!
 
WJ
Posts: 299
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:14 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 2:56 am

I think they are going to use aircraft carriers for fuel stops.

 drunk 
146,727,732,733,734,735,73G,738,739,742,743,744,752,753,762,763,764,772,300,310,319,320,321,330,343,DC9,D10,MD11,M80,E17
 
congaboy
Posts: 258
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:48 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 5):



Quoting WJ (Reply 6):

Boy, I can tell it's a Friday....good ones!
"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?"
 
User avatar
4everRC
Posts: 256
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:53 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Congaboy (Reply 7):
Boy, I can tell it's a Friday....good ones!

Well, my next thought was...

"They can call Patrone, he'll gitter done!"

 Smile
Nobody served our republic like Republic!
 
Bluewave 707
Posts: 2793
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2001 8:21 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 4:05 am

HA, AQ, and WP use ferry tanks inside the fuselage to bring their inter-island fleet to Hawaii, as shown in the photo above. The seats are shipped separately.
"The best use of your life will be to so live your life, that the use of your life will outlive your life" -- D Severn
 
L1329II
Posts: 285
Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:52 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 4:08 am

You rang?

Big version: Width: 720 Height: 300 File size: 38kb
Joe!
"By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"
 
User avatar
4everRC
Posts: 256
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:53 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting L1329II (Reply 10):

LOL! Thanks L1329II! I needed that!

 Silly
Nobody served our republic like Republic!
 
WJ
Posts: 299
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:14 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 5:51 am

I think they are going to use aircraft carriers for fuel stops.

 drunk 
146,727,732,733,734,735,73G,738,739,742,743,744,752,753,762,763,764,772,300,310,319,320,321,330,343,DC9,D10,MD11,M80,E17
 
ha763
Posts: 3168
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2003 5:36 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 9):
The seats are shipped separately.

Actually, the seats are still on the aircraft. They flip and pile them on another row of seats, just like this:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © James Richard Covington



Only when they fly out for heavy maintenance checks do they remove the seats from the aircraft.
 
AirframeAS
Posts: 9811
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:56 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 10:55 am

HA had the seats placed in the cargo pits during delivery flights. They were never shipped separately, IIRC.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
 
mlglaw
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:30 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 11:02 am

In pieces, by container ship.
Sumus Primi BLS'60 - Oderint dum metuant!
 
srbmod
Posts: 15446
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:32 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
My guess would be in-cabin fuel tanks as QF did with their 717s.

Actually, the Impulse/Qantaslink 717s took the long way to Australia, flying hops up the west coast of North America, across the Bering Strait, and down Asia to Australia.
 
dl757md
Posts: 1482
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 9:32 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Sat May 13, 2006 8:32 pm

One word.


Pontoons!
757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
 
TropicBird
Posts: 432
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 9:13 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 2:55 am

The last word I heard was that this coming week, the first aircraft will ferry to Hawaii via SFO (refueling at Signature Aviation). The following week will be the next 2 and the week after will have the last 2 (for a total of 5). And yes they will have auxiliary fuel tanks installed.
 
dutchjet
Posts: 7714
Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2000 6:13 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 3:23 am

The new plan is to send the aircraft via FedEx......this way, they aircraft will arrive in Hawaii by 1000am the next morning, guaranteed.
 
F9Animal
Posts: 3644
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:13 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
The new plan is to send the aircraft via FedEx......this way, they aircraft will arrive in Hawaii by 1000am the next morning, guaranteed.

LMAO! That is funny!

What if the tanks failed? Please tell me they have the no smoking sign on during the flight??!!

I guess it would be a bad day if there was an onboard fire. YIKES!!
I Am A Different Animal!!
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 5):
Maybe they can hire NASA to strap them to the top of their 747 space shuttle hauler?



Quoting WJ (Reply 6):
think they are going to use aircraft carriers for fuel stops.



Quoting 4everRC (Reply 8):
"They can call Patrone, he'll gitter done!"



Quoting Dl757md (Reply 17):
Pontoons!



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
The new plan is to send the aircraft via FedEx

Dang, I thought perhaps they'd have CPT Kirk just 'beam them over'.
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
777STL
Posts: 2770
Joined: Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:22 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 16):
Actually, the Impulse/Qantaslink 717s took the long way to Australia, flying hops up the west coast of North America, across the Bering Strait, and down Asia to Australia.

Yeah I was thinking of HA's birds as in the pictures.
PHX based
 
PPVRA
Posts: 7864
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:48 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 5:10 am


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © James Richard Covington



Those tanks look like they are barely narrow enough to get through the door...

Cheers
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
 
F9Animal
Posts: 3644
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2004 7:13 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 23):
Those tanks look like they are barely narrow enough to get through the door...

Cheers

Good point. They look too long to get even into the cabin. Does the 717 have tail stairs? Excuse me not knowing the 717 all that well, as we don't ever see them here in the NW.
I Am A Different Animal!!
 
ha763
Posts: 3168
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2003 5:36 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 24):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 23):
Those tanks look like they are barely narrow enough to get through the door...

Cheers

Good point. They look too long to get even into the cabin. Does the 717 have tail stairs? Excuse me not knowing the 717 all that well, as we don't ever see them here in the NW.

I have personally seen the tanks at the HA maintenance hangar and they are not that big. They are close to the width of the L1 door, but are only about 5ft long, leaving a lot of room to turn them inside the aircraft.
 
usxguy
Posts: 919
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:28 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 9:59 am

that is definitely going to be a NONSMOKING flight!
xx
 
congaboy
Posts: 258
Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:48 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Mon May 15, 2006 11:58 pm

Thanks for the info...and look what happened on this thread, we actually had a good time! Great humor!
"Joey, you like movies about gladiators?"
 
L1329II
Posts: 285
Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:52 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Tue May 16, 2006 1:53 am

Ok... I have a really stupid question but since this thread has started I just have to ask.

If there are any single engine planes in Hawaii, how did they get there?
"By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"
 
User avatar
4everRC
Posts: 256
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2003 7:53 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Tue May 16, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting L1329II (Reply 28):
If there are any single engine planes in Hawaii, how did they get there?

out of all the options we've given in this thread, I would say the best option would be FedEx.
Nobody served our republic like Republic!
 
richierich
Posts: 3282
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2000 5:49 am

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Tue May 16, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting L1329II (Reply 28):
Ok... I have a really stupid question but since this thread has started I just have to ask.

If there are any single engine planes in Hawaii, how did they get there?

There are lots of single engine planes in HA.
Most of them are brought over on cargo ships. Unlike an airline ordering a new fleet of expensive jets, most GA planes don't have to be rushed over in the quickest manner and there is probably no amount of additional fuel tanks that can bring a PA-172 over the Pacific Ocean (how long would that flight take???)

There are plenty of larger single-engined Cessnas, etc., being used for tourist charters. Sadly, one of them crashed on the Big Island when I was there in 1999, killing all 10 people on-board, if I recall correctly.
None shall pass!!!!
 
arffguy
Posts: 106
Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:20 pm

RE: How Will The Go! CRJ's Get To Hawaii?

Tue May 16, 2006 10:24 am

Actually there are several companies around the world that fly smaller planes across long distances with fuel tanks placed in the cabin. Jon Johanson even flew his homebuilt single engine Van's RV-4 from Australia to the United States and back again. But yes, I also know a guy who crates and ships airplanes and engines. He sends them to Africa quite a bit. Two of the Cessna 152's I learned to fly in ended up in Africa this way.
Time to spare, go by air.

Who is online