Flyer88
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Finnair And Competition

Sat May 13, 2006 1:59 pm

Just wondering ......

Does Finnair have any competition from HEL to the United States or to Asia apart from SAS going via CPH. It seems that they have the market all to themselves in terms direct services. With the addition of KUL to their network they seem to be doing quite well having the markets all to themselves. How are they in terms of service and prices from HEL?

Your comments will be most welcomed .......
 
Tancrede
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RE: Finnair And Competition

Sat May 13, 2006 3:25 pm

It seems that what you said is right, and will be much more with the coming this year of the new (old) A343, but at the same time Finnair is putting out of job few hundred peoples for saving reasons.
 
killjoy
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RE: Finnair And Competition

Sat May 13, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting Flyer88 (Thread starter):
It seems that they have the market all to themselves in terms direct services. With the addition of KUL to their network they seem to be doing quite well having the markets all to themselves.

With direct services, yes. They could never open this many routes and frequencies without transit passengers, however, and there's a lot of competition to Asia from other hubs.

Edit: prices vary a lot, as for most airlines, but their cheapest special offers have been around 300e to the US and 400e to China.

Quoting Tancrede (Reply 1):
but at the same time Finnair is putting out of job few hundred peoples for saving reasons.

They fired those people because they were redundant. They're simultaneously hiring people in their expanding areas, and promised thousands of new jobs if the Asia-strategy continues to work.

[Edited 2006-05-13 09:04:42]
 
FunFlying
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RE: Finnair And Competition

Sat May 13, 2006 6:18 pm

I wonder what happened to the rumoured routes of CO and TG to HEL? Also, is the new TK route from IST to HEL discontinued after the summer period?
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UpperDeck79
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RE: Finnair And Competition

Sat May 13, 2006 7:24 pm

Quoting Flyer88 (Thread starter):
How are they in terms of service and prices from HEL?

Well, quite often it would be cheaper for a Finn to take a detour via Western Europe to Asia, but then again I have found that student tickets (flexible!) seem to be the cheapest on AY almost all the time. (These are not sold directly from AY office/website, though, but through student travel agencies.)

Quoting FunFlying (Reply 3):
Also, is the new TK route from IST to HEL discontinued after the summer period?

Really? Was it supposed to be a seasonal route or is it not performing well? The strange thing is that I have not seen ANY advertising for this new route... No wonder where the pax are...:D

Quoting FunFlying (Reply 3):
I wonder what happened to the rumoured routes of CO and TG to HEL?

Well, maybe they realized that the market is too small. Because they would only be serving the Finnish market, not the Europe-Asia or Europe-NYC market that AY can serve through connections.
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diesel33
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RE: Finnair And Competition

Sun May 14, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting FunFlying (Reply 3):
I wonder what happened to the rumoured routes of CO and TG to HEL?

Yes, they have been contemplating the route on and off for about 3 years now. I personally can't wait till it happens!!!

Let's keep our fingers crossed for '07....
 
andaman
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RE: Finnair And Competition

Sun May 14, 2006 7:35 am

As said here, AY is competing in transit business, the Finnish markets alone would be too small. Without all those transit passengers HEL would be like OSL, with rather few intercontinental routes.
I only hope there would be more connections from HEL to Northern-America (as there used to be, to the west coast), perhaps sometimes in future when AY is less busy in Asia.
It would be great to see companies like CO and TG in Finland.

Thanks to the Asia hub in HEL, there are also more non stop connections from HEL to European destinations as it would be otherwise. And in Europe Finnair really needs to compete hard, maybe that's why their product in Europe is better (very good actually) compairing to their intercontinental product. Perhaps the new wide bodies change the picture.
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