QANTASpower
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QF's SFO Service

Sun May 14, 2006 9:55 pm

Hi,

Does anybody know how this new service is performing? Just curious what the loads are like across the 3 classes. Also is there much of a First market for this service?

QF has stated that it will go daily (up from 3 x weekly) once the first A380 arrives.

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RE: QF's SFO Service

Sun May 14, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting QANTASpower (Thread starter):
QF has stated that it will go daily (up from 3 x weekly) once the first A380 arrives.

It would be interesting to see how well the route is doing - it can't be too bad if QF want to go daily with it. I think QF are sweating on their A380s arriving, quite frankly.
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Sun May 14, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting QANTASpower (Thread starter):

Does anybody know how this new service is performing? Just curious what the loads are like across the 3 classes. Also is there much of a First market for this service?

I was thinking of the same thing myself..I'm quite curious to see how QF is doing at SFO.........I plan on flying QF SFO-SYD-SFO sometime in late November or early December...if the flight is still around
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 12:34 am

Wasn't that flight going to continue on to Vancouver? Would they do that with an A-380?
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 3):
Wasn't that flight going to continue on to Vancouver? Would they do that with an A-380?

I don't think they're talking about flying A380 to SFO -- they mean that when they get the whales, they'll have some 744 freed up and will use some to increase SFO frequency.
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 3):
Wasn't that flight going to continue on to Vancouver? Would they do that with an A-380?

Cschleic...I don't think SQ was ever planning on sending the A380 to SFO..I think Classiclover meant it as another statement...
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
I don't think SQ was ever planning on sending the A380 to SFO..I think Classiclover meant it as another statement...

I think you mean QF
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 3:43 am

Jacobin777: Actually SQ will be flying the A380 to SFO accoring to everyone's sources (SQ1/2 via HKG).Qantas, I would imagine will fly the A380 to LAX, therefor opening/freeing 747's for SFO and other destinations.

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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 7):
Jacobin777: Actually SQ will be flying the A380 to SFO accoring to everyone's sources (SQ1/2 via HKG).Qantas, I would imagine will fly the A380 to LAX, therefor opening/freeing 747's for SFO and other destinations.

I've heard this as well. SQ 1/2 is one of the more profitable routes in SQ's network IIRC, the only question is whether it can make it SFO-HKG n/s year round. I would think it could, but there are some nasty winds over the Pacific in the winter season. I see QF starting to send A380s to LAX soon after receiving them; the only question there is, is LAX ready for the A380?

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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 8):
I've heard this as well. SQ 1/2 is one of the more profitable routes in SQ's network IIRC, the only question is whether it can make it SFO-HKG n/s year round. I would think it could, but there are some nasty winds over the Pacific in the winter season. I see QF starting to send A380s to LAX soon after receiving them; the only question there is, is LAX ready for the A380?

There is some "hot talk" going around that Singapore Airlines is going to be changing things up on the West Coast. Of mention the LAX-TPE-SIN, will be routed, if the talk is true, out of SFO instead of LAX. The aircraft would upgrade to the 747-400. The SFO-ICN-SIN, would be routed to LAX, and would remain on the 777-200. SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500. Of course all of that is "hot talk" and not comfirmed.

At current there are some challenges facing Singapore Airlines and their A380 operating the SFO-HKG-SIN service. For that service as well as LHR, and SYD the changes are rumored to be as follows. Configuring the A380 on those routes to be heavy on P and J product and reduce the number of Y class seats in the market.
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 4:09 am

Malpensa: Interesting info. Thanks for the update on the "hot talk" going on with SQ. It would be weird to not see any 744 at LAX! Can't wait to see the A345 at SFO.

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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 9):
There is some "hot talk" going around that Singapore Airlines is going to be changing things up on the West Coast. Of mention the LAX-TPE-SIN, will be routed, if the talk is true, out of SFO instead of LAX. The aircraft would upgrade to the 747-400. The SFO-ICN-SIN, would be routed to LAX, and would remain on the 777-200. SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500. Of course all of that is "hot talk" and not comfirmed.

At current there are some challenges facing Singapore Airlines and their A380 operating the SFO-HKG-SIN service. For that service as well as LHR, and SYD the changes are rumored to be as follows. Configuring the A380 on those routes to be heavy on P and J product and reduce the number of Y class seats in the market.

Interesting news. I would think the SFO-TPE would perform better than the SFO-ICN leg. Another SQ 744 is always a good thing as well. I am salivating at the idea of a SFO-SIN n/s on the A345. I had heard it was to start sooner, but there have been delays I guess. The A380 service should be good if/when it eventually starts as well. When does the first A380 fly for SQ? Wasn't it supposed to be this year?
Also, Malpensa, are you Chamorro? Flying the Guam flag is pretty cool.

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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Flamedude707 (Reply 6):
I think you mean QF

yah..thanks for the correction, my bad.. crazy 

Quoting AS739X (Reply 7):
Jacobin777: Actually SQ will be flying the A380 to SFO accoring to everyone's sources (SQ1/2 via HKG).Qantas, I would imagine will fly the A380 to LAX, therefor opening/freeing 747's for SFO and other destinations.



Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 8):
I've heard this as well. SQ 1/2 is one of the more profitable routes in SQ's network IIRC, the only question is whether it can make it SFO-HKG n/s year round. I would think it could, but there are some nasty winds over the Pacific in the winter season. I see QF starting to send A380s to LAX soon after receiving them; the only question there is, is LAX ready for the A380?

there are some quality A.net members who work for SQ and they mention that because of headwinds, etc. the A380 might not have the legs to make it to SFO with a full pax/cargo load..its still under evaluation..

I also would assume LAX would see the A380 first..but if it can't do the SFO route, I'm not so sure if it will be able to do the LAX route...time will tell

my personal opinion is that it will be able to do it in one way or the other and that SFO (as well as LAX) will be seeing the A380 in SQ colours.. bigthumbsup 

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 9):
SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500. Of course all of that is "hot talk" and not comfirmed.

it would be interesting to see how this would work if (big if) SQ went on to purchase some 777-200LR..I would assume not too much...
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 5:41 am

From purely a demographic point of view TPE has more traffic to SFO while ICN has more to LAX.

I'd like to really see SQ route HKG to LAX also to give CX a run as they manages 3 dailies on the route without any competition.

Shoud swaps would also work in the greater scheme of things for Star as it would gain a LAX-HKG, SFO-TPE, LAX-ICN the first two routes UA having pulled out from, while only loosing a LAX-TPE.
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 6:16 am

Sorry for the non-topic discussion...

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 9):
SFO-SIN nonstop would commence in mid 2007 with the A340-500.

Does this mean SQ will be ordering more A340-500s or will the non-stop LAX or EWR flights be re-routed to SFO?



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
I also would assume LAX would see the A380 first..but if it can't do the SFO route, I'm not so sure if it will be able to do the LAX route...time will tell

Isnt't the SIN-NRT-LAX (SQ 11/12) routing up for an A380? That should have no weight restrictions.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 6:36 am

So how are the Qantas loads SYD-SFO? Anyone down under have information on it?

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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
So how are the Qantas loads SYD-SFO? Anyone down under have information on it?

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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 14):

Isnt't the SIN-NRT-LAX (SQ 11/12) routing up for an A380? That should have no weight restrictions.

I know of for SFO it's SIN-HKG-SFO......don't know about SIN-LAX..regardless, I'm sure the A380 will be able to do NRT-LAX without a problem....
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
So how are the Qantas loads SYD-SFO? Anyone down under have information on it?

ASLAX

I would assume they are doing well because if Air NZ can go from 3x a week to daily out of AKL then QF should easily do daily based out of SYD
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 8:05 am

So, in summary, no one can answer the original post's question. How did this evolve into a discussion about SQ? By someone's typo? Sheesh!
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 19):
So, in summary, no one can answer the original post's question

It would be almost impossible to find out how a flight is really doing. Yeild wise, no air carrier releases their exact profit/loss on a particular flight. If you want to know how many passengers were on QF 73/74 into SFO, I can give you that info. There were 306 passengers inbound to SFO today.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 8:32 am

Back to the original question....

I think NZ would have an easier time at SFO than QF because NZ is Star and QF is a One World carrier.

The majority of Frequent Flyers in SFO are Star, not One World so naturally people going to SYD will pick UA, not QF.

Also, not having daily service kills yields in First/Business.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 20):
There were 306 passengers inbound to SFO today.

granted the amount of pax doesn't necessarily make a profit, but if the plane is 3/4 empty, it most probably isn't going to make money..at least there is a chance this route will be a money maker...

I've flown on a KL 742 from AMS-KHI with about 45 pax..now that certainly won't be a money maker..but I got 1/2 the plane to myself.. spin 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
granted the amount of pax doesn't necessarily make a profit, but if the plane is 3/4 empty, it most probably isn't going to make money..at least there is a chance this route will be a money maker...

That is not the point I was making. If you read my response, you will see that all I said was that there was 306 passengers on the flight. I, along with other individuals, are quite aware that full flights do not always mean profit.  bouncy 
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 23):

That is not the point I was making. If you read my response, you will see that all I said was that there was 306 passengers on the flight. I, along with other individuals, are quite aware that full flights do not always mean profit.

yes..I know..I was just being tautological.. Wink
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 7:24 pm

I think once it goes daily it will be very popular as you can link with AA flights to some of their major hubs such as Dallas and Chicago.

If I was travelling Sydney to Chicago on QF I would much rather use SFO International as the stop over.

306 passengers is a good load given it would have been a Pacific configured 744 which I think holds 343 passengers.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Mon May 15, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting DYK (Reply 16):
flight SFO-YVR commence June 14.

This flight is only running for 1 and a half months right? Otherwise it will be SYD-SFO and have a nice long rest in SFO before returning home.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Tue May 16, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 26):
flight SFO-YVR commence June 14.

Any plans for YVR during the OZ summer?
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Tue May 16, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting QANTASpower (Reply 25):
306 passengers is a good load given it would have been a Pacific configured 744 which I think holds 343 passengers.

I thought the Pacific-configured aircraft were in a two-class, 420 odd pax layout.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Tue May 16, 2006 12:39 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 26):

This flight is only running for 1 and a half months right? Otherwise it will be SYD-SFO and have a nice long rest in SFO before returning home.

Planetime, that I have no clue of...... Sad

Quoting QANTASpower (Reply 25):
I think once it goes daily it will be very popular as you can link with AA flights to some of their major hubs such as Dallas and Chicago.

If I was travelling Sydney to Chicago on QF I would much rather use SFO International as the stop over.

I think QF wants to fly to DFW for the easier connections to ORD as well as NYC-metro..as AA provides tons of service to LAX, EWR, and LGA....which is much better than what one can do via LAX or SFO..

also, I've read some posts by knowledgeful QF posters here that by flying into DFW, one might be able to save up to four hours in commute to NYC-metro area versus connecting @ LAX..

c'mon QF..get some -200LR's on board mate... pray 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Tue May 16, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 28):
Quoting QANTASpower (Reply 25):
306 passengers is a good load given it would have been a Pacific configured 744 which I think holds 343 passengers.

I thought the Pacific-configured aircraft were in a two-class, 420 odd pax layout.

BNE-LAX and AKL-LAX are in those configurations, however the SFO services are the three class 74 routes of 343 PAX, just like the LAX services out of SYD.

I know that J class loads are extremely heavy on these new services with Sunday outbound services from SYD and Friday services from SFO all full in that cabin.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Tue May 16, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 28):
I thought the Pacific-configured aircraft were in a two-class, 420 odd pax layout.

Nope, the only ones that are more densely configured at 412 seats are

QF25/26 MEL-AKL-LAX & QF175/176 BNE-LAX
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Wed May 17, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 31):
Nope, the only ones that are more densely configured at 412 seats are

QF25/26 MEL-AKL-LAX & QF175/176 BNE-LAX

These flights also get 743's sometimes.
 
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RE: QF's SFO Service

Wed May 17, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 32):

These flights also get 743's sometimes.

Only MEL-AKL-LAX or previously BNE-AKL-LAX. This is due to an extra 744 being out for Maintanence or having AVOD installed.

Currently QF25/26 is a 743 3 days a week.