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A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 2:01 am

A China Eastern A 340-600 from Seoul, landing gear caught fire while landing in PVG. No injuries reported. No delays at the airport, other runway was used.
 
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 2:26 am

Guess it is due to the great pilots performing an extra hard landing? Just my 2 cents though.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 1):
Guess it is due to the great pilots performing an extra hard landing?

No offence mate, but you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about if you're making guesses like that with absoloutely no information to base it on!

A fire in the landing gear assemblies could be caused by any number of things, and pilot-error is probably well into the bottom half of the list ......
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 2:39 am

Here's more news courtesy of the Google News search engine  

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-05/14/content_4543891.htm

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/200..._s_tires_burst__no_one_injured.htm

Quite funny, the first link says 1 tire burst, the second 12... Now if all 12 burst, they wouldn't have been able to tow it off the runway very easily!

Edit: Spelling

[Edited 2006-05-14 19:40:23]
 
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 2):
A fire in the landing gear assemblies could be caused by any number of things, and pilot-error is probably well into the bottom half of the list ......

Hey mate

You know among those business people who always have to commute between Hong Kong and Shanghai, they are scared if the company books a MU ticket for them. It has widely been criticised for their bad service, poor puntaulity and scary pilots...

I am not trying to start a war and bash the airline, but it is something to do with the chinese culture. After working in China for a while, it is quite clear that, even the top notch 'scientist' graduated in top chinese universities, they have a tendency of not following instructions. It has always been said that these chinese pilots fly their planes like a F16 thing.

A few years ago when the A346 was first launched in MU, they fly to HKG. There was a case where some problems occurred so that the plane has to be returned back to HKG upon take off. It was widely reported in the media that the pilot was doing extra tight turns, and passengers feeling sick etc.

It is true that what i said in my previous post was just a guess, and this possibilty is rather slim, but I just cannot stop it.

I still hope to know the real reason for this though.

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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 1):
Guess it is due to the great pilots performing an extra hard landing? Just my 2 cents though



Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 2):
No offence mate, but you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about if you're making guesses like that with absoloutely no information to base it on!

That's why he was guessing in the first place, because he had not any clues !
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 7:30 am

Any idea what the reg. # of the aircraft involved is?

Thanks.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 9:45 am

Musapapaya,

Maybe talk the facts pal. Flown on MU myself, they are not CX or BA but no problems.

Maybe this was an issue with the A346 / A346 gear... its happened before.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 7):
Maybe this was an issue with the A346 / A346 gear... its happened before.

This was a gear fire though--much different than a hard landing. The A346 had gear problems (not fire) on heavy landings during testing. I recall seeing the photos in Flight International.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 8):
This was a gear fire though--much different than a hard landing. The A346 had gear problems (not fire) on heavy landings during testing. I recall seeing the photos in Flight International.

How do you get from the tire burst in the news articles to a gear fire?
 
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 4:31 pm

Please stop this stupid guessing. Shortly after the landing of the A346 we passed by (also an A346!) I was to busy to take pictures but I can tell you that all main-gear tyres were deflated. The Aircraft had made a rather short landing. At that time even our ground-staff had no further information. Perhaps we hear more today. So wait and see....
 
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting CLOUD9 (Reply 10):
pictures but I can tell you that all main-gear tyres were deflated

No Tow Possibility until min required tires are replaced.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 7:04 pm

aah that too bad..

I do remember my self when living in Shanghai that these MU pilots did land very hard! Me and my family always though, oh no, not another one of those fighter pilots! Especially in the MD11's they slam them on runway and usually we would always lift off again and then hit the tarmac for a second time! Never flew on their A346 though so cant comment on that. (did on A343)

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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 4):
I am not trying to start a war and bash the airline, but it is something to do with the chinese culture. After working in China for a while, it is quite clear that, even the top notch 'scientist' graduated in top chinese universities, they have a tendency of not following instructions. It has always been said that these chinese pilots fly their planes like a F16 thing.

I don't know why it still bothers me....but...a problem with landing gear on an aircraft with no information as to why leads to a broad, sweeping, condemnation of Chinese culture. As an ex-pat living in China/Taiwan for a long time...I'm really amazed at the 'insight' that every thing that happens is a problem with Chinese culture. Gosh! But I guess if it's always been said...surely it must be true..... Sad!

Quoting N754PR (Reply 7):
Maybe talk the facts pal. Flown on MU myself, they are not CX or BA but no problems.

N754PR...I'm with you on that....

Glad everyone was safe, and like others, interested to hear more!
 
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Mon May 15, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 4):
I am not trying to start a war and bash the airline, but it is something to do with the chinese culture. After working in China for a while, it is quite clear that, even the top notch 'scientist' graduated in top chinese universities, they have a tendency of not following instructions. It has always been said that these chinese pilots fly their planes like a F16 thing.

This has to be the most ignorant thing I have read on this site. Perhaps your arrogance is getting in the way of your clear thinkning. I know plenty of American pilots who I would rather not fly with!

Now back to the subject:

If the A/C had to come to a sudden stop or if the pilots had to lean on the brakes hard enough and long enough there is a very real possiblity the brakes became hot enough to catch on fire. It happens often enough.

On most of the wheels of jets there are heat plugs that will melt and blow when the wheel gets hot enough. This is to prevent the wheel and tire assembly from exploding due to heat.

If these brakes were hot enough this would explain why the tires were deflated. I would be interested in finding out what happended though.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Tue May 16, 2006 2:13 am

Nobody can really say it is pilot error unless they have been on every single MU flight, which would then make is the "fact".
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Tue May 16, 2006 6:21 am

Really hard to say if it is an pilot error, problem with 346's landing gears or something else. What I remember is quite some time ago, An CX's 346 hard landed in Sydney, and all landing gears needed to be changed consequentially. However, I do not know the Reg #.

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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Tue May 16, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting Draigonair (Reply 12):
Especially in the MD11's they slam them on runway

(Without meaning to get too much off-topic...) Is it my imagination or do DC-10/MD-11's experience an inordinate number of gear failures and/or wing spar cracks after a heavy landing?

Fed Ex at EWR and MEM, AA at DFW, IB at BOS, CH at VHHH, etc. come to mind.

I love the DC-10/MD-11 and I'm just curious why they seem to have more than their fair share of "disappointing" landings.

[Edited 2006-05-16 15:59:37]
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Tue May 23, 2006 11:27 pm


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Please, can somebody explain me these strange yellow bags on the wheels... or whatever??

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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Wed May 24, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting Debonair (Reply 18):
Please, can somebody explain me these strange yellow bags on the wheels... or whatever??

I'm guessing that they are air bags that are used to lift heavy objects. In this case I think that they are being used to raise the landing gear off the ground so that they can get under the gear assembly to get jacks under the wheels to replace them.

Perhaps becasue all the wheels are deflated, they are unable to place the jacks under the gear assembly to raise it, because the axles are too close to the ground.

The again, it could something else. Anyone else...
 
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Wed May 24, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 19):
The again, it could something else. Anyone else...

Those are just trash bags for FOD. They're tied to the wheels so they wont blow away.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Wed May 24, 2006 9:03 am

From what seems a total lack of normal dirt from operations on the underside of this acft it's assumed by me to be really new. Thats the first thing that gets dirty. I also don't see any sign of a gear fire unless it's the hub discoloration on this particular set, just deflations from wear on landing or the heat plugs. From what seems a very straight and even application of brakes by the rubber traces on the runway I'd expect something has happened to the brake system to cause a lock. This is only from the two photos on Anet and not newspaper account of "eyewitnesses"

Until pilot statements are heard this is all we can go by.
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RE: A-346 Landing Gear On Fire In Shanghai

Wed May 24, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 19):
I'm guessing that they are air bags that are used to lift heavy objects. In this case I think that they are being used to raise the landing gear off the ground so that they can get under the gear assembly to get jacks under the wheels to replace them.

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