wedgetail737
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753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 12:40 pm

I have a question that I had wondered about for several years. If SNA is just a popular destination both leisure and business, why doesn't any airline, namely CO, AS and NW, fly 753's and/or 739's into SNA?
 
iowaman
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 12:44 pm

753's/739's would probably have more restrictions with a 5700' runway if they have to go any type of distances such as IAH, SEA, EWR, and MSP. The 752's and 737's have less of an issue with weight restrictions.
 
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 1:02 pm

Regarding the 739 Wedge, it would require severe weight restrictions. The problem with the 739 is an increased rotation speed due to A/C length. Same issue's with landing the 739. The A/C generally approaches at a higher speed and landing with a decreased angle to avoid tail strikes. Chances of AS flying 739 into SNA are virtually nil. Hope the explanation helps a little dude!


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gmcc
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 2:38 pm

Which leads to a couple of questions I have had for some time.

The following quotation is from the settlement agreement between the county and the City of Newport Beach and others:

"Total number of loading bridges not to exceed 14. No more than nine loading bridges may serve B767 aircraft - the design aircraft.

full text at

http://www.ocair.com/aboutJWA/settlement_agreement.htm

1. Could an airline get a B767 into SNA?
2. Could a B767 get out of SNA give the noise abatment takeoff and the 5700' runway and carry enough payload to make an airline money?

I doubt that the second one is possible but am looking for the views of people who have a lot more knowledge about it than I do.
 
LAXintl
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting Gmcc (Reply 3):
1. Could an airline get a B767 into SNA?

Yes

Quoting Gmcc (Reply 3):
2. Could a B767 get out of SNA give the noise abatment takeoff and the 5700' runway and carry enough payload to make an airline money?

Yes. The 762 which was in mind back when the settlement agreement came about is quite a rocket.
At the time it was quite conceivable AA, DL, UA or even TW could run 762s into SNA if they wished.

Check out the photo database and you'll see Fedex operating widebodies (A310 & A300) in SNA. In addition UPS normally runs B757s to SNA, however a couple Christmas ago brought in a 767-300 also.
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Kohflot
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 2:59 pm

I don't know about now, but 6-7 years ago there were actually 767 lines painted at some of the gates...
Ask why..
 
gmcc
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 3:13 pm

Laxintl

Thanks for the answers. Living close to the flight line, approx. 2-5 miles away, it appears that the Fedex and UPS planes don't seem to follow the same takeoff profile. The air cargo planes seem to take off in a low steady climb as opposed to the pax jet. Do you know if the air cargo carriers get an exception to the crazy takeoff profile the pax jet need to fly?

If the expansion to 20 gates, with 2 gates capable of international travel, becomes a reality, I see AS flying to Canada and possibly Mexico (since AS already tried without an immigration hall). Do you see anyone else trying international travel from SNA?
 
Chugach
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 3:20 pm

Quoting Gmcc (Reply 6):

If SNA becomes a true international airport, I bet AS would start YVR-SNA the day after it was designated as international.

One of the more oddball stories in the history of AS was when they originally inaugurated SNA-YVR, and the aircraft took off from SNA enroute to Vancouver and was forced to turn around by the FAA due to SNA not being a true international airport.
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Kohflot
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 3:25 pm

I imagine Air Canada and Westjet would clamor for any open slots as well.
Ask why..
 
gmcc
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 8):
I imagine Air Canada and Westjet would clamor for any open slots as well.

They would have to join the waiting list of airlines, currently standing at 5, wanting to serve SNA.  eyepopping 
 
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RE: 753's And 739's At SNA?

Mon May 15, 2006 5:25 pm

NH & JAS used to serve the old Hiroshima (HIW) with 763 & AB6, respectively. HIW only has a 1,800m (5,940 ft) runway with zero overrun & zero displaced threshold. Therefore should be no problem, though I doubt we will ever see pax 763 ops into SNA.