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UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Mon May 15, 2006 10:32 pm

Beginning June 8, United Airlines will add Saturday-only non-stop service to Honolulu from both San Diego and Seattle. The new routes will give United non-stop connections to Hawaii from six mainland cities. The others are San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver and Chicago. In a press release, United says the additional service is part of an overall ramp-up of service to the Aloha State that "represents an additional 21 weekly flights to Hawaii compared to last summer, bringing the total amount of weekly summer flights to 227." With the extra flights, United plans to add 100 jobs in Hawaii.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Mon May 15, 2006 10:46 pm

Interesting move, I think that UA served both of these routes in the past, at different times, with nonstop service. Its good to see UA renew its committment to Hawaii......I guess the yeilds are better on the Mainland-Hawaii routes that everyone seems to think. Also note that the cruise lines (specifically NCL) have discovered Hawaii and have several large ships home ported in the islands.....a lot of lift is needed, especially over the weekends, to keep those ships filled.

My guess is that the new flights will be operated with 752s?
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:06 am

Interesting!

Has there been a press release regarding this? This is the first I've heard of it (though I admit I've been out of the loop for the past week)...
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting Scooter (Reply 2):

Has there been a press release regarding this? This is the first I've heard of it (though I admit I've been out of the loop for the past week)...

This was actually announced quite some time ago, maybe even months ago. I'm sure there is a PR out there some place.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:14 am

Would this make HNL a "focus city" for UA? The number of flights to/from here continues to increase! Suffice to say, this is good news for some of us that regularly fly to the Mainland.


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Tue May 16, 2006 12:15 am

 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:28 am

Isn't this the first summer that UA has its new contract with Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays (after they switched over from ATA)? That could explain some of the extra flights.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:30 am

Still doesn't say what aircraft type will be used. I'd be curious to see what they decide to use.

I would guess 752's out of SAN? Maybe a 762? Probably a 752 out of SEA? Possibly a 763?
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:40 am

It's already listed in the schedules as Boeing 752's for both SEA and SAN.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 7):
Still doesn't say what aircraft type will be used. I'd be curious to see what they decide to use.

I would guess 752's out of SAN? Maybe a 762? Probably a 752 out of SEA? Possibly a 763?

A 762 would have been great for this route but UA has retired their 762 fleet. As an historical review, has UA ever flown a 762 on the Hawaii routes?

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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 2:59 am

I'm assuming that the UA flight will be scheduled but will act more like a charter...

Both AQ and HA already have established themselves in San Diego as the way to travel to Hawai'i. It's kind of hard not to notice the billboard-like advertising of two 767-300's as you taxi and take-off with Pu'alani and HAWAIIAN parked side-by-side.

If it is for Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays, the 757 will be the right size. I wish UA luck - SAN went from no HNL flights in 2000 to having a multitude of choices now. More flights from SAN is always good!!
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 9):
A 762 would have been great for this route but UA has retired their 762 fleet. As an historical review, has UA ever flown a 762 on the Hawaii routes?

Were the 767-200s ETOPS certified? I would presume in at least their latter years that they were not because they only operated domestic transcon routes.
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):

Were the 767-200s ETOPS certified? I would presume in at least their latter years that they were not because they only operated domestic transcon routes.

As UA converted some of its 767-200s to ER standards, and being that UA did use the 762 on some flights to Europe (didnt UA fly the 762 on the JFK-LHR route several times per day?), I assume that the 762 was ETOPS at least for a part of the time that UA operated the type. That being said, I dont think that UA used the 762 on is routes to Hawaii - UA used 747s, DC10s and DC8-71s on the Hawaiian routes for years (among the last DC8 routes were services to outer Hawaiian Islands) later changing over to 757s/763s and sometimes 777s.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 6:50 am

As Planeguy said, both will be 757's. Its uploaded in Sabre. Good luck to UA on these route.

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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
I think that UA served both of these routes in the past, at different times, with nonstop service. Its good to see UA renew its committment to Hawaii

SEA-HNL was flown for years, I'm not sure about SAN-HNL on UA though. WA and DL flew that route for years before it was disontinued in 1995, I believe. It was flown with a DC-10, as was SEA-HNL by UA, with the occaisional DC-8.
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 7:59 am

It's great to see UA add another destination from SEA, even if it is only once per week. There was talk prior to 9/11 of UA wanting to bring this route back.

I still think SEA-HNL is somewhat underserved, and am optimistic that this flight may go daily in the future. It does have a couple things going for it - namely a few connection opportunities (such as GEG and PDX), and also, SEA is a hotbed of UA frequent flyers.

At the same time, AS is strongly rumored to be adding HNL so that might strain the flight in the future.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
SEA-HNL was flown for years, I'm not sure about SAN-HNL on UA though. WA and DL flew that route for years before it was disontinued in 1995, I believe. It was flown with a DC-10, as was SEA-HNL by UA, with the occaisional DC-8.

i remember flying a DL L1011 between HNL-SAN (as a red-eye) back in summer of '91...it continued onto SLC. was the first time i was on an L1011.

just thought i'd share! have a good day all!

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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
I'm not sure about SAN-HNL on UA though.

UA use to fly SAN-LAX-HNL (flight 189) using the 741. Hasn't UA in the past flown SAN-HNL non-stop or is this upcoming flight the first?

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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
Would this make HNL a "focus city" for UA? The number of flights to/from here continues to increase! Suffice to say, this is good news for some of us that regularly fly to the Mainland

Honolulu has always been very important for the United Airline network. At current Honolulu sees the following routes:

SFO
LAX
DEN
ORD
NRT
KIX
SEA*
SAN*

The past has offered Honolulu to the follwoing destinations:

PDX
SYD
AKL

If there has ever been a symbol concurrent with Hawaii it is United Airlines. As can be seen in television and film. United Airlines service to Hawaii has been portrayed in "Blue Hawaii", "Brady Bunch", "Hawaii 5-0", "Jake and The Fatman", "Magnum P. I.", et al. In addition as can be seen through the years United Airlines has been one of the strongest if not the strongest airline from the mainland to Hawaii.
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 11:11 am

In fact, UA has been honored by the Hawai'i state government for their commitment to the Hawai'ian travel industry. From UA's first service to HNL in the late 40's-early 50's (Stratocruisers, DC-7's, DC-6/6B's) until the mid-90's when UA lost their grip on a quality product, Hawai'i was "Our little corner of the World." Three 747's a day SFO/HNL, 747 non-stops from ORD and LAX, and service from JFK on the DC-8-62's (the reason they were purchased) really helped put Hawai'i on the map. When you flew UA first class, you were treated as "first class." Ain't no way no how now!

If they could only re-capture the quality product they once had, it would be a pleasure to fly mainland-Hawai'i on UA. UA inflight (F/Y/K) was always a great product. But then Airmen ran the airlines, not bean counters.....
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 16):

i remember flying a DL L1011 between HNL-SAN (as a red-eye) back in summer of '91...it continued onto SLC. was the first time i was on an L1011.

I flew this same route back in 1994, HNL-SAN-SLC on an L1011. I'd never been to SAN before, and during the brief layover I managed to convince my parents to let me leave the plane (I was 13 years old) and run around exploring SAN's West Terminal.

On the subject of United... my mom grew up in Hawaii and says when she was a little girl, United and Pan Am were the ONLY airlines most islanders had ever heard of - besides HA and AQ of course. By the time she was in college, the CAB had turned Hawaii into a free-for-all (courtesy of the 1969 ruling that granted routes to Braniff, Continental, Western, TWA and American), but her family continued to fly United almost exclusively. She even flew the short-lived nonstop Hilo-Chicago flight on a DC8 back in the early 1970s!
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:15 pm

Yes it is nice to see UA back to adding flights. As for the Cruise Line. NCL will be adding it's third ship sometime this month or next. So they will have 3 ships sailing around the island. As for the business. Sales of the two ships are sold out until late next year and this new ship is sold out until the end of the the year to the fist part of next year. With UA adding Sat. only flights tells me that NCL has a contract with them to fly pax into HNL for this cruise line. This is the day that all 3 ships set sail.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:32 pm

To satisfy cruise passengers with NCL's uplift, the airlines would need larger a/c than the 757. Are NCL America's loads that large that all three ships are sold out? Talk about assembly-line tourism! I was in Tahiti in the early '70's after Hawai'i. Where is there a paradise to equal what was then? Any ideas, a.netters?
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 12:37 pm

Great to see United Air Lines expanding in Hawaii. The islands have been an important link in the United network since the late 1940s, when UA flew there with DC-4's and Stratocruisers. Imagine how awesome an experience it would have been to fly in one of the beautiful B377's! Senator Daniel K. Inouye of Hawaii once wrote in Hemispheres how important UA was to the islands and how it played a key role in developing the tourist industry there. Now with two new cities serving HNL, the United tradition in Hawai'i has been strengthened.
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 22):
Where is there a paradise to equal what was then? Any ideas, a.netters?

I would vote for Phuket although it really depends on where you go and where you stay.

I was fortunate enough to vacation here to Hawaii when I was a young punk, hence my love for the old UA 742s. My parents had the foresight to sign up my sister and I for UA's MP program way back in its early days which explains why my membership numbers begins with several zeroes. At any rate, back then the miles accrued on a ORD-HNL flight went toward an upgrade the following year; we were lucky enough to fly up front practically every year. My early memories of the ORD-HNL nonstop flights include the magazine-coffee table in front of the two F-class seats near the spiral staircase, the spiral staircase itself, walking laps through the a/c to pass the time on the 9+ hour flight, the smoking section toward the rear of Y class, and of course, the upstairs lounge.

The flight was certainly a treat as the service was noticeably attentive even for a 6 to 9 year old kid. For whatever reason, I especially remember the deli sandwich snack boxes that were served about halfway between the West Coast and HNL as it marked the time that the FAs would set out a plastic "volcano" on the coffee table that they then filled with dry ice to give the impression it was "erupting".

Ahhhh, memories!

No doubt UA has a big presence here in the Islands and continues to be my preferred mode of travel to/from HNL and my old home (ORD).

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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 3:27 pm

To be sure, UA has a very strong presence here in the islands. I too miss those days of old when the FAs wore mu'u mu'u, and having to wear a tie on the flight as my parents still viewed air travel as a special experience -- times sure have changed!

I definitely miss the UA 742 flights and especially Connoisseur Class upstairs. Moved back to HNL from LAX 18 months ago and was in F on a 772 and it just wasn't the same.

Just going off on a tangent, was disappointed when they ditched Connoisseur Class in favor of United Business. If I recall correctly, UA purchased the trademark rights to Connoisseur Class from Air Canada. Can anyone confirm?
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 4:26 pm

The original announcement of this was back a number of months ago. The press released noted above in this thread is merely a United PR announcement basically saying "Look at us, we're special".

The easiest way to determine if a press release contains actuall NEW information (aside from Googling) is the following:

1) Does the PR say the route starts within the next week? If so, it's old.

2) Does the PR not mention any specific about the route (flight times, start date, etc..)? If so, it's likely either really old - or so new they haven't even started approvals on it yet

3) Does the press release bunch together a whole bunch of flights without providing any detail? Then likely it's old.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 18):
If there has ever been a symbol concurrent with Hawaii it is United Airlines. As can be seen in television and film. United Airlines service to Hawaii has been portrayed in "Blue Hawaii", "Brady Bunch", "Hawaii 5-0", "Jake and The Fatman", "Magnum P. I.", et al. In addition as can be seen through the years United Airlines has been one of the strongest if not the strongest airline from the mainland to Hawaii.

Correct, Hawaii is United in terms of traffic..did I hear right that UA carries about 45% plus of all passengers between the Islands and the mainland?
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Tue May 16, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 27):
did I hear right that UA carries about 45% plus of all passengers between the Islands and the mainland?

In the past that happened, but not anymore. UA hasn't had that much market share for many years. Before AA started adding all their flights, UA and HA used to be virtually tied in market share. They had so much of the market because they used to fly a lot of densly configured 747s and DC-10s here. Since then, every airline has added a lot of seats to the Hawaii-mainland market and UA has down-gauged most flights to 767s and 757s and a few 777s.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Wed May 17, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 28):
In the past that happened, but not anymore. UA hasn't had that much market share for many years. Before AA started adding all their flights, UA and HA used to be virtually tied in market share. They had so much of the market because they used to fly a lot of densly configured 747s and DC-10s here. Since then, every airline has added a lot of seats to the Hawaii-mainland market and UA has down-gauged most flights to 767s and 757s and a few 777s.

I know that UA is streets ahead of the next carrier HA. The figures i am referring to were published only a few months back, so i know i cannot be way of the mark but i cannot find the thread.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Wed May 17, 2006 1:56 am

Good news for SAN... Wish they were on 767-300s instead of 757-200s though, SAN can use any widebody service it can get!
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Wed May 17, 2006 4:21 am

Rumor around the water cooler is. The SEA-HNL will go daily after summer. I just heard yesterday that they are bringing back 100 CS/Ramp employees to HNL. The junior full time ramper has 20 years in HNL.
 
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Wed May 17, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 30):
Good news for SAN... Wish they were on 767-300s instead of 757-200s though, SAN can use any widebody service it can get!

I don't think the initial flights are even half filled yet. Don't know if the market is there for anything larger than a 757.
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Wed May 17, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 9):
A 762 would have been great for this route but UA has retired their 762 fleet

Only if they were planning on carrying a lot of cargo. Otherwise, the 752 can carry almost as many passengers with much lower costs

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 14):
SEA-HNL was flown for years, I'm not sure about SAN-HNL on UA though. WA and DL flew that route for years before it was disontinued in 1995, I believe. It was flown with a DC-10, as was SEA-HNL by UA, with the occaisional DC-8.

Either of those planes would have likely had to stop in LAX on the way to HNL
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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Wed May 17, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 17):
UA use to fly SAN-LAX-HNL (flight 189) using the 741.

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Fri May 26, 2006 4:44 pm

Update:
Just got my a-periodic MP update in the mail - it's promoting the new HNL to SAN/SEA routes. The seasonal weekly flights will begin June 10 on a 757. Question: is there ever an "off season" here in Hawaii?! Game on for UA, HA and AQ!


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RE: UA To Add HNL-SEA/SAN

Fri May 26, 2006 5:14 pm

777fan: Yes "off season" is when the mainlander kids are back to school.

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