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Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 3:31 am

Ryanair will give away 100,000 free flights should Germany score against England at the World Cup. The article says that is targeting LH.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/15/rya.....html?partner=airlines_newsletter

Crazy ah?
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 3:42 am

With FR's fees & charges and taxes the tickets won't be free at all. And I would always prefer to pay the remaining difference for being able to take off and land at primary airports and for knowing that LH would manage to offer an acceptable alternative plus compensation if anything goes wrong.


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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 3:45 am

Why crazy?

It's good for us passengers, and it's good for the industry as a whole. This will show that most carriers cannot copy Ryanair, who's profit is still there, while offering free flights every week. Their businessplan is solid like a rock. I'm happy more and more carriers are changing strategies. Who cares about lounges, free food and drinks etc when your flight takes only (max)2 hours?

I've booked them now for almost every weekend till december, perfect! A seat is a seat, and don't expect anything else... ( How can you for only 25 cents..)

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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 3:47 am

There should be automatic ban on FR threads and their "free flights", it has been discussed a million times before.
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
With FR's fees & charges

All carriers collect taxes and charges anyway. I don't see what the problem is. It's exactly the same as redeeming frequent flyer miles for "free" flights. The pasenger will still be liable for taxes and charges. "Free" simply means that one does not pay the base fare.
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
This will show that most carriers cannot copy Ryanair, who's profit is still there, while offering free flights every week.

I'm glad many airlines don't copy that cheap model.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
I'm happy more and more carriers are changing strategies.

If all LCCs lower their service level to that of FR's then it's not the customers who benefit.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
Who cares about lounges, free food and drinks etc when your flight takes only (max)2 hours?

It's much more important how the airlines handle problems - and FR is definitely one of the worst carriers in that regard. I'd always prefer to pay some more money for knowing the airline will fly me to my destination even if something goes wrong. Stranding in the middle of nowhere may easily drive up overall costs and results in major inconvenience.

I wouldn't mind at all how FR treats passengers - but its strong position may force more and more carriers to follow with decreasing basic services.


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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:02 am

I will not put my feet on Ryanair ever again, especially after what I saw on TV when a woman went undercover to see what really went on in Ryanair.
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
All carriers collect taxes and charges anyway. I don't see what the problem is. It's exactly the same as redeeming frequent flyer miles for "free" flights. The pasenger will still be liable for taxes and charges. "Free" simply means that one does not pay the base fare.

It's just cheap advertising, if they praise their "free flights" then should grant "free" flights. The problem is many people get the impression of getting a "great deal" even if they have to pay extra fees and taxes. It turns their attention away from rather fair offers of other airlines (e.g. LH's 109 Euro deals) where taxes and fees are already included, as well as the certainty of being carried to the destination (or getting compensation) if something goes wrong.

My criticism of the "free ticket ads" is not only aimed at FR, I'd like to add.


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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:34 am

More free advertising for FR. Why hasn't the media figured it out yet??
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
It's much more important how the airlines handle problems - and FR is definitely one of the worst carriers in that regard. I'd always prefer to pay some more money for knowing the airline will fly me to my destination even if something goes wrong. Stranding in the middle of nowhere may easily drive up overall costs and results in major inconvenience.

And still it will be way cheaper then paying a 500 euro KLM or BA fare..... And I'm talking leisure flights here , not business. Besides, they have the highest on-time performance of all european carriers.

Quoting ANother (Reply 8):
More free advertising for FR. Why hasn't the media figured it out yet??

Exactly. Part of a great businessplan...
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
Besides, they have the highest on-time performance of all european carriers.

True, but not everyone flies to uncongested airports. You can't compare OTP at FRA with OTP at Hahn - sorry, not the same thing.
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 10):
True, but not everyone flies to uncongested airports. You can't compare OTP at FRA with OTP at Hahn - sorry, not the same thing.

I know, but the fact is, the pax has the choice to fly there, if they do, it's good. I just want to say that if you fly from A to B on a short flight, comfort does'nt matter. Besides, the seats are the same anyway. ( and it saves me a 20 minute walk to the gate at AMS and a 30 min taxi ther as well...  Smile

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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
And still it will be way cheaper then paying a 500 euro KLM or BA fare..... And I'm talking leisure flights here , not business.

LH and other European airlines offer return trips for 99 Euro, I'm not talking about regular or biz class fares.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
Besides, they have the highest on-time performance of all european carriers.

Statistics won't save you if anything goes wrong. If FR leaves you behind in the middle of nowhere, with a refund of ten Euro, you won't care about the usually great on-time performance any longer.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
Exactly. Part of a great businessplan...

They earn lots of money with that plan, but as I said, if FR continuously forces competitors to lower their service levels the plan is far from being great for the customers.
If I call a LCC business plan a "great one", then it's Southwest's.


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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
If FR leaves you behind in the middle of nowhere, with a refund of ten Euro,

If EUR10 is all you paid, then that is what you can expect back. Simple.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
you won't care about the usually great on-time performance any longer.

Maybe you won't, but the airline will because it will have targets to meet in order for those statistics to be presented to investors. Unless targets are met, potential funding could go astray, which in the long term would mean pulling off routes and by default passengers are not given the opportunity to fly from A to B any more because the company may choose to no longer operate the route in question.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
if FR continuously forces competitors to lower their service levels the plan is far from being great for the customers.

Nonsense. If a competitor airline lowers it's service levels, it is they who have chosen to do so. FR have not held a gun to their head and threatened them into it.
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 3):
There should be automatic ban on FR threads and their "free flights", it has been discussed a million times before

I know, but this was specific to the world cup, that's why I wanted to post it.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
The pasenger will still be liable for taxes and charges.

Yes, but those are not part of the revenue of the company.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 2):
Who cares about lounges, free food and drinks etc when your flight takes only (max)2 hours?

It depends. For me, the travel experience is a hassle now a days and I like to enjoy it from the beginning. It is a choice, pay cheap-fly cheap or do the contrary.

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 6):
I will not put my feet on Ryanair ever again, especially after what I saw on TV when a woman went undercover to see what really went on in Ryanair.

Please details!.. I haven't seen that show.
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 9):
And still it will be way cheaper then paying a 500 euro KLM or BA fare..... And I'm talking leisure flights here , not business

Where is your evidence that KLM and B|A have a 500 euro fare in Europe for a leisure flight? It is important that you substantiate your rhetoric.

In the meantime I've found a return BA flight for a fraction under 480 euros. It is a high season flight inclusive of taxes and surcharges and is LHR-JFK on 7 July and JFK-LHR on 14 July.
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 15):
Where is your evidence that KLM and B|A have a 500 euro fare in Europe for a leisure flight?

I've just been given the rest of my life off work by my employer, and have decided to drown my sorrows with a cool beer in the warm Potuguese sun and have decided to take myself to FAO tomorrow from LGW.

I got this great fare from BA.com

Outbound BA6884 Gatwick (London),United Kingdom Faro,Portugal Economy (Traveller) Wed 17 May 2006 ,15:30 Wed 17 May 2006 , 18:20
Inbound BA6887 Faro,Portugal Gatwick (London),United Kingdom Economy (Traveller) Wed 24 May 2006 ,23:10 Thu 25 May 2006 , 01:50

Price breakdown Fare per person plus taxes, fees, charges and surcharges* per person Total

1 Adult £ 352.00 £ 42.90 £ 394.90

* The price of your ticket includes a security, insurance and fuel surcharge per flight levied by the carrier. For details please click here .
The price quoted excludes a surcharge that will be levied if you pay by credit card

Total flight price £ 394.90(UK Pounds)
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 13):
If EUR10 is all you paid, then that is what you can expect back. Simple.

Then FR should always add that to their colorful ads. Many customers who are not really involved in aviation are not aware that they can easily end up in the middle of nowhere.
And btw, I paid 109 Euro on LH two weeks ago and was offered a re-routing plus a compensation of 350 Euro because the flight was overbooked. Simple.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 13):
Maybe you won't, but the airline will because it will have targets to meet in order for those statistics to be presented to investors. Unless targets are met, potential funding could go astray, which in the long term would mean pulling off routes and by default passengers are not given the opportunity to fly from A to B any more because the company may choose to no longer operate the route in question.

What's your point? I said people who rely on FR's on-time performance and suddenly find themselves stranded won't be impressed by apparently great numbers any longer.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 13):
Nonsense. If a competitor airline lowers it's service levels, it is they who have chosen to do so. FR have not held a gun to their head and threatened them into it.

We all know how competition works: the market leader directly influences its rivals. In order to remain competitive, they need to cut prices and necessarily cut quality. Unfortunately, people tend to be price-driven in many fields of life, while ignoring the side effects.


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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 16):
I've just been given the rest of my life off work by my employe

My commiserations - and apologies. But I assume it was a late booking? Either way, enjoy and do not get too p***ed.
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
people tend to be price-driven in many fields of life, while ignoring the side effects.

Well, who's to blame for that then? The airline, or the individual?

I've had this discussion with passengers on many occasions in my 12 years working in aviation.

Where does the airline's responsibility end, and where does the passenger's responsibility begin?

It is the individual's responsibility to ensure that they furnish themselves with all relevant terms and conditions of the contract, prior to undertaking travel with the airline. In fact, and as with all airline websites as far as I'm aware, the individual is required to acknowledge that they have read and understood those terms and conditions prior to being allowed to pay for the flight.

If the individual chooses to continue without making that acknowledgement, then they only have themselves to blame for not being fully aware of what may or may not occur in the event of a diversion or cancellation, for example.

To go for the cheap seats is great; but to ignore the T's & C's is foolish!
It doesn't take much searching either. Here's FR's complete Terms & Conditions. See section 9 regarding Schedules, Cancellations, Delays & Diversions. It's pretty clear cut as far as I can see.

http://www.ryanair.com/site/conditions/docs/ryanair_carriage.pdf
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 6:11 am

Why give away 100.000 flights if a goal is scored against England? Is Ryanair an English airline? Might as well give a zillion flights away if Germany scores against say, Botswana or Bangladesh.
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 19):
Well, who's to blame for that then? The airline, or the individual?



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 19):
Where does the airline's responsibility end, and where does the passenger's responsibility begin?

These are the key questions. And I tend to say both are responsible. It's well known how advertising influences people. The price may influence the overall perception. They should add a well visible reference to their terms and conditions to any sensational ad.

And even if the terms and conditions are read - are they written so that everyone -even those without a clue about aviation - can understand them properly?


* If your flight is cancelled or before the date of travel, is rescheduled so as to depart more than three hours before or after the original departure time then you will be entitled to a travel credit or full refund of all monies paid if the alternative flight/s offered are not suitable to you and you do not travel.
* Ryanair does not provide compensation for flights which are delayed or cancelled for reasons beyond Ryanair's control. You may therefore wish to ensure that you have suitable private insurance cover in force to cover such eventualities. Your rights under EU Regulation 261/2004 are unaffected, so in the case of denied boarding, flight cancellation or a delay in excess of two hours you will be provided with a written notice setting out the rules for compensation and assistance in line with such Regulation.
* Passengers who book well in advance should re-check their outward/return flight timings on www.ryanair.com or with a Ryanair reservations centre between 24 and 72 hours prior to departure.



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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):
Quoting Christeljs (Reply 6):
I will not put my feet on Ryanair ever again, especially after what I saw on TV when a woman went undercover to see what really went on in Ryanair

Two Dispatches undercover reporters spent five months secretly filming Ryanair's training programme and onboard flights as members of the cabin crew . The reporters reveal what really takes place behind the scenes: inadequate safety and security checks, dirty planes, exhausted cabin crew and pilots complaining about the number of hours they have to fly. And watch Ryanair staff speaking frankly about their experiences and attitudes towards passengers.

- It was on the UK Television's Channel 4 10th of February'06.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006060880,00.html

[Edited 2006-05-17 00:14:14]
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 7:24 am

This has been previously been discussed rather extensively.

Check out the link below for the discussion...
Ryanair Vs Dispatches (by CamAir Feb 10 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2598773

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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting Art (Reply 20):
Why give away 100.000 flights if a goal is scored against England?

Because the Press will pick up on it, and blab it all over the front page for days! Advertising for the price of a press release.

And those free 100.000 seats are likely to be seats that FR already knows will be empty if they aren't given away.

According to other threads (and I'll say allegedly) a high proportion of free flights are never used and FR just pockets the taxes, fees and charges (his fee for processing a refund of these is higher than the amount of refund). Allegedly their 'insurance' surcharge is the highest in the business (and then they have the nerve, in their conditions of carriage, to advise you to take out even more insurance for cancellations or delays)
 
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Wed May 17, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 6):
especially after what I saw on TV when a woman went undercover to see what really went on in Ryanair.

So you think that the undercover reporters, with less than six months on-the-job training and no background in aviation, were more experienced to judge safety issues than the whole of the UK and Ireland's Civil Aviation Authority? After months of debate and investigations by the appropriate authorities, none of the issues raised in the programme have any standing. Plain and simple, it was a TV programme, made for the same trash channel that churns out programmes like Big Brother, sexened up to wet the appetite of the FR bashers.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
LH and other European airlines offer return trips for 99 Euro

And how many of these airlines offered return trips for €99 in the days before the LCCs?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
FR leaves you behind in the middle of nowhere, with a refund of ten Euro

So you buy a cheap television and it blows up. When you take it back to the store, do you demand the state-of-the-art Plasma TV in exchange? No? So why should you demand a refund of €500 if you only paid €35 for the fare? The principle is exactly the same.

Besides, on average 77,000 people fly with FR daily or 28 million a year. Pray, can you state the number of passengers that have been stranded in the middle of nowhere and given a refund of €10? No? Well, if every newspaper report is to believed, the maximum number of passengers affected is 780, of whom some chose to extend their holiday until the next flight was available. That is a 0.00002 chance of being stranded.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
Then FR should always add that to their colorful ads. Many customers who are not really involved in aviation are not aware that they can easily end up in the middle of nowhere.

For those who cannot understand that FR serves secondary airports, and that they do not provide meals/refreshments, alternative transport and, if all else fails, complimentary overnight accommodation at a hotel, when flights are subject to delays and cancellations, then I think they should go back to school and learn how to read. Furthermore, do they expect a secondary airport like (say) Beauvais to have many airlines and hundreds of other services?
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RE: Ryanair To Offer 100,000 Free Flights...

Thu May 18, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 25):
And how many of these airlines offered return trips for �99 in the days before the LCCs?

None. If you had read carefully you'd know that I do not question the LCC model in general.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 25):
So you buy a cheap television and it blows up. When you take it back to the store, do you demand the state-of-the-art Plasma TV in exchange? No? So why should you demand a refund of �500 if you only paid �35 for the fare? The principle is exactly the same.

No, it's not the same. If I buy a TV for ten Euro and it blows up - which expenses do I have as a result? Well, driving to the shop and back. But which expenses do I have if my airline is not able or willing to fly me back to my booked destination for several days? Because of that difference, the EU has introduced a law which aims at protecting passenger rights.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 25):
Besides, on average 77,000 people fly with FR daily or 28 million a year. Pray, can you state the number of passengers that have been stranded in the middle of nowhere and given a refund of �10? No? Well, if every newspaper report is to believed, the maximum number of passengers affected is 780, of whom some chose to extend their holiday until the next flight was available. That is a 0.00002 chance of being stranded.

First of all, statistics don't help the individial who is affected. Secondly, it's very likely not every stranded passengers talks to a newspaper. And even if - the newspapers don't publish any story.

And extending the holiday sounds great, but looking for hotel rooms during the peak travel season can turn out to be a nightmare. And what about those who need to start working again?

Quoting BCAL (Reply 25):
For those who cannot understand that FR serves secondary airports, and that they do not provide meals/refreshments, alternative transport and, if all else fails, complimentary overnight accommodation at a hotel, when flights are subject to delays and cancellations, then I think they should go back to school and learn how to read. Furthermore, do they expect a secondary airport like (say) Beauvais to have many airlines and hundreds of other services?

How should average travellers know which exactly is a secondary airport? How should they know which facilities are available there? And the terms and conditions may easily be misunderstood. Example:

Your rights under EU Regulation 261/2004 are unaffected, so in the case of denied boarding, flight cancellation or a delay in excess of two hours you will be provided with a written notice setting out the rules for compensation and assistance in line with such Regulation.

It may pretend FR pax have certain rights, but actually FR doesn't care at all about any regulations in regards of compensation.


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