AirWales
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Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Wed May 17, 2006 11:34 pm

Hi Guys,

I am flying internally within China in September. I need to fly Shanghai - Xian and then on to Beijing. I will be flying First Class with my girlfriend. I have the choice of either China Eastern or Air China - which is the best to fly internally and more importantly First Class>? What will I get and what should I expect. Are there anyother airlines flying these legs?

Many thanks for any help in advance.

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DLPMMM
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 1:38 am

Don't expect too much. I would not eat the food (dangerous for the tummy) or order the wine (just terrible taste). Some of the planes are in better shape than others, but the planes will be western (A or B) and have a F cabin similar to domestic US First Class. I was once on a plane that smelled like it had been used to transport livestock.

With whom doesn't matter that much, as most all the airlines are State run companies and are not generally up to western standards.

It will be a shortish flight, so have a beer and relax.

Enjoy.

[Edited 2006-05-17 18:40:06]
 
CPH757
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting AirWales (Thread starter):
Are there anyother airlines flying these legs?

Indeed there are. Shanghai Airlines (FM), China Southern (CZ), Hainan Airlines (HU) fly PVG-XIY in addition to CA and MU. XIY-PEK is flown by the same carriers, except FM. I cannot comment on F class quality, but the prices are fixed at 1890RMB for PVG-XIY and 1580RMB for XIY-PEK.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
Don't expect too much. I would not eat the food (dangerous for the tummy) or order the wine (just terrible taste).

If you can eat food anywhere else in China, don't mind eating it on the aircraft. The food is just fine. Or so it has been on all my domestic Chinese flights with China Soutern, China Eastern and Hainan Airlines.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
With whom doesn't matter that much, as most all the airlines are State run companies and are not generally up to western standards.

They are indeed up to Western standards. You can experience old planes, but they are in a good condition. Nothing different from Western flights. You even have a good chance of experiencing rather new aircrafts due to the fast expansion of the Chinese fleets. I find the onboard service to be on level with the best European carriers on shorthaul - that's better than American service.
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
I would not eat the food (dangerous for the tummy) or order the wine (just terrible taste).

Wow, then your tummy bust be quite sensitive . . .  sarcastic 

Maybe the food is not like SQ's world class inflight cuisine, but it is certainly nice to get a decent hot meal with drinks, even on a flight which was less than an hour long (happened with me).

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
Don't expect too much.

I know I wouldn't expect much flying within the US. I've flown on a CO flight nonstop from EWR to HNL (10 hours) and only received a small sandwich and candy bars. That would be considered pretty darn generous, considering other US airlines charging the passengers for meals/drinks for domestic flights.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
With whom doesn't matter that much, as most all the airlines are State run companies and are not generally up to western standards.

The choices AirWales have are state run companies (the big three: Air China, China Eastern, China Southern). Ever heard of privately-run Shenzhen Airlines, Okay Airlines, Shanghai Airlines, and Hainan Airlines (and their group of other subsidiaries)? There are probably even more.

Quoting AirWales (Thread starter):
What will I get and what should I expect. Are there anyother airlines flying these legs?

I believe that all or most of the other airlines listed above fly those routes. You might want to try with the privately-run airlines! Their aircraft are brand new, with new flights coming off the line at both Airbus and Boeing (same goes for the government-run "big three"). Air China currently has two new B737s on delivery.


Hope you have a great time! It is not as bad as DLPMMM put it.
 
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 3:04 am

I've flown Beijing to Xian on China Southern twice, and really enjoyed the flights. Don't expect a whole lot, much like domestic flights in the US or UK, but if you keep that in mind, it'll be nice. Not sure about first class, but having walked through it (the airline version of the walk of shame), it looks like, again, domestic US or UK first class. Like said above, it isn't a very long flight, so don't expect 15 hour Singapore Airlines or Emirates quality stuff, but you'll enjoy it. I know someone who flies Shanghai to Xian almost monthy, and flies China Eastern - he says the same stuff, don't expect an amazing flight, but it's an average flight on an average airline. Enjoy Xian if you haven't been, it's a great place FILLED with history!
 
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 3:16 am

Who do you get miles on?

Apparently cost is not too much of a factor, being in first class. In the future, you may can get an upgrade to first without paying for it.

Living in the U.S., I would try to book the whole thing through UA, you being in the UK, I would try to work with LH or BA. I would definitely go with StarAlliance personally, but I live in Chicago, so UA is my preferred carrier. With BA and AA OneWorld, you benefit from several European carriers. If none of that works, I would go with the least expensive first class fare. Chances are, the service is similar and probably pretty good.

Hope you have a good trip.

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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 3:18 am

Well I flew MU from PEK to PVG on an MD-11 a couple of years back. Service, comfort and all was okay but other than that, tough I normally really love flying, that time I must confess I was really scared absolutely shitless, if you'll pardon my language!

It's hard to say, it just seemd like the pilots didn't really have the aircraft under control.
 
reyes27
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 3:41 am

Chinese domestic flights are quite similar to those of the US domestic, but hey one time a Shenzhen flight I was taking was delayed for about 4 hours or so, don't remember the exact time, but for compensation they gave the passengers a free belt and a boxed snack. It was too bad the belt was meant for their leaner Chinese customers.
 
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 3:49 am

Flew internally a couple of years ago with Shanghai Airlines, China Eastern and Air China.

All had smart new jets (738's and 777), flights left on time, crews were courteous and on Shanghai Airlines the service level was better than most inter European flights with a good hot meal plus bevvies in coach for the two hour flight between Shanghia and Chonquing

All my fears about soviet jets, dodgy airports and dubious operating procedures were quickly put to bed

The only thing that springs to mind is that you might get a seat number, but don't expect to sit in that seat!

Have a good trip
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DLPMMM
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Je89_w (Reply 3):
Wow, then your tummy bust be quite sensitive . . .

Maybe the food is not like SQ's world class inflight cuisine, but it is certainly nice to get a decent hot meal with drinks, even on a flight which was less than an hour long (happened with me).

Through years of experience with alot of different airlines around the world, you learn where and what is safe to eat and where and what you are taking chances with.

Quoting Je89_w (Reply 3):
The choices AirWales have are state run companies (the big three: Air China, China Eastern, China Southern). Ever heard of privately-run Shenzhen Airlines, Okay Airlines, Shanghai Airlines, and Hainan Airlines (and their group of other subsidiaries)? There are probably even more.

Yes I have heard of them, and flown on several as well. The equipment is western, but the service standards and cleanliness are sometimes left wanting. How many of them have you flown on in your 15 years of life?
 
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 10):
Through years of experience with alot of different airlines around the world, you learn where and what is safe to eat and where and what you are taking chances with.

Chinese airline food can be hit and miss. I do remember the classic when flying from Shenzhen to Guilin, the snack box that was given simply said Food in English. I found that quite humerous. In my flights in coach it always consisted of snack food, sometimes fine and others I skipped, since the flavors where that more suited for Chinese tastebuds. When flying one early morning flight they did offer a breakfast serving, I did not much care for that, but I never really cared for Chinese breakfast.
 
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Je89_w (Reply 3):
The choices AirWales have are state run companies (the big three: Air China, China Eastern, China Southern). Ever heard of privately-run Shenzhen Airlines, Okay Airlines, Shanghai Airlines, and Hainan Airlines (and their group of other subsidiaries)? There are probably even more.

I was under the assumption that Shenzhen Airlines was a subsidiary of China Southern
 
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RE: Flying Internally In China....With Who?

Thu May 18, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting Airways1 (Reply 9):
SW733? Arcaro?

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