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B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:18 pm

Which airline run the first flights with 757 across the pond? Was it TWA (I know they did JFK-LIS in 1997) ! But I also remember Birginair flew from the Dom Rep. to Germany (even though they crashed with one of them in 1996)????
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:28 pm

i think it could be BA in the early 90s JFK-MAN/GLA/BHX
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:29 pm

I'm not too sure, but I think British Airways used to fly BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK in the early/mid 1990s.

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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:32 pm

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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:36 pm

No NO NO ....... a Canadian company called Odyssey must be close - around 1991 I think if not before. Also Air Transat around the same time if I recall.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:38 pm

My guess Monarch or Air 2000 maybe Britannia with service to MCO via BGR.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:40 pm

Air Belgium used to fly 757's BRU-BGR-Florida in the early 90's, if not before...

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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Jetset (Reply 6):
My guess Monarch or Air 2000 maybe Britannia with service to MCO via BGR

Yeah - forgot about Air 2000. They flew GLA-PIK then to BGR because the traffic rules didnt allow them to fly direct from GLA - then they challenged the rule in court and won.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:48 pm

Probably Scotty is correct out of those given, it was actually 1989. However, Icelandair flew Orlando-Reykjavik (I woudl consider that across the pond) since the 1980s.

Air Europe and Monarch 757s were regulars at MCO in 1990, does anyone know the actual years those services began?
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Jetset (Reply 6):
My guess Monarch or Air 2000 maybe Britannia with service to MCO via BGR.
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Air 2000 yes but Britannia only flew 767-200s to MCO at that time, I think only once did I see a 757 of theirs in MCO.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:53 pm

What about ATA/TZ they use to fly them from DTW to FRA for charter flights for the company I use to work for.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Thu May 18, 2006 11:55 pm

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2):
but I think British Airways used to fly BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK in the early/mid 1990s.

I remember in 1999 seeing BA 757s and 747-200s fly out of YYZ and thought...strange why don't they just have the 747s. The JFK-YYZ connection was dropped later that year, I think.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 12:05 am

As for scheduled service:

In the early 1990s, BA flew BOS-JFK-BHX and YYZ-JFK-GLA (the flights changed around from time to time) with 752s - I believe that this was the first 757 transatlantic service.....BA has a few specially equipped 757s outfitted with a J class interior and these aircraft were high weight versions. Also, EL AL flew a EWR-STN-TLV serivce with a 752 for a few seasons, when EL AL began service to EWR in the 1990s. Icelandair flies the 757 on many routes from the US to Iceland.....it depends if one considers a flight from the US to Iceland trans-atlantic or not.

As for charter service and holiday flights, many European based airlines used the 757s on routes to the US and the caribbean over the years, some involving stops in NewFoundland or in Bangor. Finnair offered a HEL-BGR-FLL service for a few years, for example, my guess (and its only a guess) is that by the early 1990s, the 757 was a common sight on holiday flights from Europe to the US (especially on UK regional airport routes to the Orlando area.)

TW used the 752 on selected services out of JFK for a period of time, after TW disposed of its 741/L10 fleet........but, of course, the big deal was CO who greatly expanded the use of the 752 on transatlantic services.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 12:32 am

I know for a fact that in 1991, Nationair, a now-defunct Canadian charter airlines, flew 757s across the Atlantic. They took over the routes flown by Odyssey International when they folded in 1990.

Air Transat started flying 757s a few years later.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 12:49 am

I recall being on a BA flight JFK-BMX in late September 1995 on a 757. I was very surprised that my flight was on a 757. (I connected there to EI to DUB, my return was DUB-LHR-JFK, with the LHR-JFK on one of BA's 747's). I suspect their 757 service was started earlier in the year as BMX would give some pax the option to not have to go through LHR and it's hassles. BA also operated a mini-hub at BMX at the time with numerous flights all over Europe. IIRC, it was a 'ER' 757, with quite a nice interior for a narrowbody. Much better ride than the 707's/DC-8's charters I flew on back in the early 80's.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Scotty (Reply 4):
No NO NO ....... a Canadian company called Odyssey must be close - around 1991 I think if not before. Also Air Transat around the same time if I recall.

I have a specifgic recolleciton of standing in a departure lounge in Gatwick, early September of 1990, looking at a Cdn flagged 757, boarding beside my flight (Canadian Airlines 767). I remember noting the comparative size of the forward fuselage and engines... I can't recall whether it was Odessy or Nationair, but I'm sure it was one of them.

Oddessy was in business from 1988 or so, so first trans Atlantic 757 service may have been even before then.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 12:50 am

I flew on a Air Europa charter JFK-MAD-JFK on a 757 in the summer of 1992.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 1:02 am

What about ICELANDAIR ?!?!
when did they swtich from DC-8 to 757 to fly across the atlantic?
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 17):
have a specifgic recolleciton of standing in a departure lounge in Gatwick, early September of 1990, looking at a Cdn flagged 757, boarding beside my flight (Canadian Airlines 767). I remember noting the comparative size of the forward fuselage and engines... I can't recall whether it was Odessy or Nationair, but I'm sure it was one of them.

Oddessy was in business from 1988 or so, so first trans Atlantic 757 service may have been even before then.

In fact, here's a photo - Odessey operating a flight For Nationair, LGW Sept 13, 1990...


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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 1:24 am

I would think Orlando - Reykjavik should be across the ponds as it's about the same distance as the UK.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
my guess (and its only a guess) is that by the early 1990s, the 757 was a common sight on holiday flights from Europe to the US (especially on UK regional airport routes to the Orlando area.)

Not too common at Orlando really. Air 2000 I think stopped flying to MCO regularly (not sure) until they acquired the 767s. (Canada 3000 had the same livery, but those were Canadian flights). Flying Colors was the only holiday airline flying 757s regularly in the mid-late 90s to Orlando, and that stopped when they became JMC and flew widebodies across the pond. All the other UK and holiday airlines at MCO flew in with 767s and widebodies (UK Leisure, Spanair, Airtours,Caledonian). Air Europe folded in '91. Monarch then flew in mostly A300s/DC-10s. My guess is other 757 flights back then to the USA from Europe in late 80s-early 90's were seasonal and short-lived.

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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 21):
In fact, here's a photo - Odessey operating a flight For Nationair, LGW Sept 13, 1990..

In an old Thomson Vacations (Canada) brochure I have here, it indicates that Odyssey International was flying charter flights from YYZ to Palermo, Rome and Catania in the summer of 1989.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
I would think Orlando - Reykjavik

looks like the earliest photo supports this - note sure where it was flying from, but it had clearly crossed the pond on July 20, 1989.


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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
I recall being on a BA flight JFK-BMX in late September 1995 on a 757.

I believe the code is BHX, dude.
It sounds like the BA flights were some the earliest if not the first to be used trans-Atlantic. It used to be cool to see a BA 757, 767, 777 and a 747 all parked at T7 in JFK (as well as the much lamented Concorde!).
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 25):


It sounds like the BA flights were some the earliest if not the first to be used trans-Atlantic. It used to be cool to see a BA 757, 767, 777 and a 747 all parked at T7 in JFK (as well as the much lamented Concorde!).

Well, on some occassions there were 747s (For London), a 763 (for the MAN flight), a DC10 (when BA operated JFK-LGW once per day), the 757s as discussed, and a Concorde.....the 777 was not in service yet. Quite a lineup.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 4:30 am

Air 2000, Air Europe and Monarch all started Trans-Atlantic services in the 1988 summer season with their newly delivered EROPS 757s.

The 3 airlines' first EROPS 757s were all delivered very close together so it's difficult to say who operated them accross the Atlantic first. However, I'm almost certain that it was Monarch who operated the first Trans-Atlantic 757 flights under the then EROPS regulations.

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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 4:48 am

I was going to say it was definately Monarch or Air Europe who started the trans atlantic 757 charters, or possibly Air 2 bob. Id say it was more likely the former two though.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 5:34 am

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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 6:28 am

The BA 757 trans-Atlantic flights did not start until late January 1995.

G-BPEE initiated the GLA-JFK-BOS service on 29 January 1995. This aircraft (with an appropriately modified cabin) was then dedicated to this service and to mark this was renamed 'Robert Louis Stevenson' on 17 March 1995 while at JFK.

The BHX-JFK-YYZ service was initiated at the same time by G-BPEC which was also dedicated to this route until the service was withdrawn - like that from GLA - at the end of the summer schedules in 1998 - i.e. at the end of October.

I do not know anything about the other services mentioned above, some of which look to be well before these BA flights. However I can say that I think the first trans-Atlantic flight by a 757 was when G-BIKB (22173/10) was ferried BFI-LHR on delivery to BA on 25 January 1983.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 7:05 am

Air 2000 were doing it in 1987, and I think they're the winner. Interesting to be reminded of BA's 757s across the pond to Canada - love the idea of turning up at the lovely city of Toronto on such a hotrod as a British Airways 757. But they weren't the first, Air 2000 took the ribbon easy.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
What about ATA/TZ they use to fly them from DTW to FRA for charter flights for the company I use to work for.

This is an interesting one - American Trans Air actually had a nascent longhaul network on the go in the early 90s, they had scheduled (and proper scheduled, 3 or 4 a week at least) flights from Detroit and New York Kennedy to Belfast (Northern Ireland) and Riga (Latvia) with 757s.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 10:58 pm

Hi all

This is my first post here. Have been an avid reader for months.

Back in 1997 I flew on a 757 with Air2000 from Gatwick to Vancover via Calgary (& possibly Edmonton - cant remember for sure)

I do remember it being a long and fairly uncomfortable flight. We were only in Vancouver for 2 days and then flew back. Lovely city though.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Fri May 19, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12):
As for charter service and holiday flights, many European based airlines used the 757s on routes to the US and the caribbean over the years, some involving stops in NewFoundland or in Bangor.

One being then charter-only airline Sterling Airways (today a scheduled LCC airline) which had one or two B752ER with 213 seats @ 30-31 inch pitch. In 1988 (IIRC) they flew holiday flights CPH-BGR-Caribbean. I remember package-tour company Star Tour had a two-page ad in their catalouge with pictures of the great new plane and its capabilities. More legroom, hot meals and video screens mounted in the ceiling above the aisle was a big luxury back then...

I think they only leased the planes for a year or two, as the company had financial difficulties in the early 1990's and closed shop in 1993, only to start up fresh the following year.
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Sat May 20, 2006 2:16 am

Lest we forget the most famous transatlantic city-pair, the 3750 miles between Cleveland Hopkins and London Gatwick aboard Continental Airlines Boeing 757-200s. When the flight was christened a few years back, the full Cleveland media was out in force worthy of an Apollo Moon landing. Former (and not lamented) Mayor White went aboard the inaugural flight along with local dignitaries who, after a few hours in the air, began noticing the tight confines of the 12 ft. 4 inch fuselage. Despite a little grumbling those on-board were so grateful for nonstop service the size of the aircraft rated only an aside in the Cleveland Plain Dealer a couple of days later.

However, that being said, my Cleveland relatives had to endure the comparison of their flight in a small Business First compartment of a Continental Boeing 757 to their British friends lavish tales of Virgin's sprawling Upper Class complete with stand up bar in a Boeing 747-400. I believe that was the last transatlantic trip they went via Boeing 757.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Sat May 20, 2006 3:11 am

I have a photo of a Caledonian 752, G-BPEF, taken at YYZ in 1993. I flew YYZ-LGW-YYZ in 1997 in a Canada 3000 752. I don't know when they started that service.
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Sat May 20, 2006 3:41 am

I flew ATA 757-200 JFK to Belfast, Ireland (scheduled, not charter) in June 1994
 
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RE: B-757 Across The Atlantic! Who Was First?

Sat May 20, 2006 4:37 am

Olympus69. Thats jogged my memory - it was a Canada 3000 flight not an Air 2000 flight that I did Gatwick to vancover. Thanks.

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