UAL777UK
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Air China To Join Star Alliance

Fri May 19, 2006 9:16 pm

At last, not before time if you ask me!

http://yahoo.reuters.com/stocks/Quot...-13_PEK18774&symbol=0753.HK&rpc=44

Did i hear right that Shanghai Airlines had also been invited to join?
 
flightopsguy
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Fri May 19, 2006 9:26 pm

Shangai Airlines has accepted an invitation to join. Apparently the process takes a few months. Good moves by *A in that part of the world.
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PlaneGuy27
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Fri May 19, 2006 10:12 pm

Maybe now AIr China can fly into Washington Dulles? United has no more frequencies left and will probably face stiff competition for the 2007 frequencies from the new kids on the block - AA/CO
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Fri May 19, 2006 11:37 pm

How will this affect their relationship with Cathay, with Cathay owning 10% of Air China, but being in One World?
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Robbie86
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Fri May 19, 2006 11:49 pm

Hmmm... I think it's kinda strange that star-alliance.com don't say anything about this =/
 
JoFMO
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Fri May 19, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 4):
Hmmm... I think it's kinda strange that star-alliance.com don't say anything about this =/

They will report it on Monday or Tuesday when the official announcement in Beijing took place.
 
Robbie86
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Sat May 20, 2006 12:00 am

Okay. Anyway it's a good thing =) Hopefully Air China will put the 747 back on the PEK-ARN route before I go there in december ^^
 
aad665
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Sat May 20, 2006 12:09 am

Hi,

Old new here.

It was in Airline Business Mag of....July 2005!

Who will coach Air China? LH?

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UAL777UK
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Sat May 20, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 7):
Hi,

Old new here.

It was in Airline Business Mag of....July 2005!

Who will coach Air China? LH?

aad665

errrr, with respect somehow I don't think you read they were joining the Star Alliance, thats just been announced!!. You likely read that of all the Alliances Air China was likely going to join Star..........read the start of the thread!!!!  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Sat May 20, 2006 1:03 am

A rather formal ceremony to invite Air China will be held on May 22.
 
aad665
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Sat May 20, 2006 2:14 am

Hi,

UAL777UK:

I read it again...and you seem right.

"Star is in detailed talks with Air China,..."

aad665
 
B2443
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Sat May 20, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting the article:

They said the airline, the sixth largest in the Asia-Pacific region, would sign an agreement to join Star Alliance in Beijing on Monday in the presence of German Chancellor Angela Merkel.


Now joining an airline alliance has become that political?
 
Robbie86
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Sat May 20, 2006 7:22 pm

Quoting B2443 (Reply 11):
Now joining an airline alliance has become that political?

I would say that the Chancellor is a part of the cermony only to improve oppertunities for German/European companys to establish in China.
 
copenhagenboy
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 1:07 am

From Stars homepage:

Air China Limited to become a Star Alliance Member Carrier

Beijing, China – May 22nd, 2006 -Air China Limited ("Air China") and the Star Alliance, the airline network for Earth™, today signed a Memorandum of Understanding confirming an invitation for Air China to join the alliance.

Commenting on today's event, Jaan Albrecht, Star Alliance CEO said: "With Air China having chosen to join Star Alliance, we have now taken the decisive step in implementing our strategy for the Chinese market. This decision truly lays the foundation for the future pace in Chinese Aviation."

Attending the event was the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Dr. Angela Merkel, who is on her first visit to China; German Federal Minister for Transport, Building and Urban Affairs, Wolfgang Tiefensee; Minister Yang Yuanyuan of the General Administration of Civil Aviation of China.

Mr. Li Jiaxiang, Chairman of China National Aviation Holding Company, Mr. Ma Xulun, President of Air China Limited, Mr. Jaan Albrecht, CEO of Star Alliance and several CEOs of the Star Alliance member carriers were also present at the ceremony together with 150 distinguished guests.

Mr. Li Jiaxiang, Chairman of China National Aviation Holding Company and Chairman of Air China Limited, said in his speech: "With economic globalisation and open skies, the competition in the airline industry will become more and more severe. No one airline can create a global network by itself. In order to survive and develop, airlines have to cooperate with other partners in various forms including multilateral alliance cooperation."

"Cooperation between Air China and Star Alliance will be mutually beneficial. Currently, China is one of the fastest growing civil aviation markets with great potential. Through cooperation with Air China, Star Alliance will connect its international route network with China through Air China's extensive domestic network and extend its global route network. The travelling public will have access to more convenient services, savings made and efficiency improved," Mr. Li said.

The Star Alliance network recently also extended an invitation to Shanghai Airlines to join the alliance. This dual-hub approach will allow the alliance to offer a unique network from the two most important airports in China.

Once both Air China and Shanghai Airlines will have become full members of the alliance, the Star Alliance network will grow to 20 members, offering more than 16,500 daily fights to 912 destinations in 160 countries

About Air China


After going public in 2004, Air China has rapidly reformed through changed working and management practices. Profitable in 2004 Air China was also made a profit in 2005 with total turnover of 7.44 billion tonne kilometres [ up 10.2% ] Passenger transportation volume increased to 27.695 million [ up 13 percent ] Profit after tax was 2.406 billion RMB [ up 0.85 percent compared with the same period last year ].

Facing new domestic and international competition, Air China set up four strategic objectives: "to be recognised by premium passengers, achieve best profits, to be a valuable airline of China and an airline with global competitive strength."

Air China has a fleet of 176 aircraft, mainly Boeing and Airbus. It operates up to 70 domestic and 36 international destinations in 22 countries and regions. It flies around 4160 flights per week. Through code shares with 18 domestic and international airlines, Air China operates 1210 code share flights.


Benefits of Joining Star Alliance


Facing more and more severe competition after the open skies policy was introduced, Air China decided to join Star Alliance to further expand its route network and enhance international competitiveness.

Joining Star Alliance will enable Air China to accelerate establishment of its Beijing hub and improve flight connections with Star Alliance partners through the hub. Air China will work with the Star Alliance's strong sales network and its joint purchasing programs. Both will benefit Air China.

Chinese domestic passengers will be able to purchase a ticket flying to any destination operated by any alliance member airline. Members of Star Alliance carrier Frequent Flyer Programs (FFP) will be able to collect and redeem miles, kilometres or points on any member carrier. Star Alliance Gold members received alliance-wide benefits, such as for example dedicated check-in counters and priority wait listing.

Star Alliance customers have access to 660 airport lounges. Check-in, joint ticketing and baggage facilities, collocation and connection teams at key airports all play a role in creating a smoother travel experience. Star Alliance carriers can offer passengers a variety of air passes and special fares including a Round the World Fare, Circle Asia Fare, Circle Pacific Fare and the African, Asian, Brazilian, European, Japan, North American, South Pacific and Thailand Air passes.

Now 52 years old Air China has a strong management. Since going public Air China has undergone internal reform, including changes in its corporate organisation and culture. Taking advantage of the strength of Air China in the domestic market, Star Alliance member airlines will closely connect the alliance's international network with China, one of the biggest potential markets.
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 3:03 am

It looks like Star Alliance has become the first alliance to announce it's new partners in China. From various sources,it seems that China Eastern will likely go with Oneworld,that leaves China Southern without a partner. It's likely that that they will find themselves in an alliance with Skyteam. Once the dust settles on China,I suspect the next major market that the alliances will try to stake out is India. The Indian market is going through such a massive change that it's difficult to determine who exactly the future players will be.
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 4:16 am

I think Star have made a smart move, inrolling Air China and Shanghai Airlines. Sure Star has a problem with S. America and Varig, and lost Aeroflot to Skyteam. Many also think Star is a to big alliance, but I must say they have the best coverage. Interesting what will happen in India. Star has some "weak" airlines, but with the turnaround of UA, very strong in Europe, very very strong in South Eastasia, with transfers into Australia, ANA in Japan, for me it looks like a succes. For me as a customer, this is great. We need a more strong airline in S. America, then Australia (well I know I can earn SAS Eurobonus on Qantas), Russia and India. And the best is that there are competition between the airlines in the alliance. Just my 10 cents
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 14):
It looks like Star Alliance has become the first alliance to announce it's new partners in China. From various sources,it seems that China Eastern will likely go with Oneworld,that leaves China Southern without a partner. It's likely that that they will find themselves in an alliance with Skyteam. Once the dust settles on China,I suspect the next major market that the alliances will try to stake out is India. The Indian market is going through such a massive change that it's difficult to determine who exactly the future players will be.

Not true - China Southern Announced their intent to Join Skyteam in August of 2004!

"

SKYTEAM SIGNS AGREEMENT WITH CHINA SOUTHERN AIRLINES
Agreement preliminary step in new member joining process



GUANGZHOU, 28 August 2004 - SkyTeam today announced that the alliance has signed an agreement with China Southern Airlines, the largest carrier in the People's Republic of China. The agreement is a preliminary step in the new member process and outlines China Southern's intentions to undertake exclusive discussions to become a part of the SkyTeam alliance, pending fulfillment of the alliance's joining requirements. The signing ceremony, which took place in Guangzhou, was attended by Mr. Yang Yuanyuan, Minister of Civil Aviation Administration of China, Mr. Huang Huahua, Governor of Guangdong Province, Mr. Zhao Xizi, Chairman of the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission, Mr. Yan Zhiqing, Chairman of China Southern Airlines, Mr. Liu Mingqi, Vice Chairman of China Southern Airlines, as well as Mr. Yang-Ho Cho, Chairman and CEO of Korean Air and Mr. Jean-Cyril Spinetta, Chairman and CEO of Air France as representatives of SkyTeam member airlines."

http://www.skyteam.com/NL/aboutSkyteam/pressCenter/pr280804.jsp
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 6:52 am

I agree with Copenhagenboy, I think that now that the Chinese market is covered and in the bag, India (and Russia) may be next on the list.

I was really surprised that Lufthansa signed joint agreements with Air India - I thought that Jet Airways would have made a lot more sense!!! (Their tail colours are similar to LH - just joking of course!!). Air India seems to be more on the International coverage, and it would seem that LH would want the stronger potential player within the India market. Now I'm not saying that Jet Airways is stronger within India, but considering its growth rate ever since its inception, combined with the bureaucratic problems that seem to plague Air India ever since the beginning of time, it seems Jet would have been a better choice.

Also, wouldn't they have good Indian coverage through an alliance with Qatar. I mean I thought this was the big advantage of those Gulf airlines such as Qatar, Emirates, and Gulf Air - access to India considering the heavy flights into the market they operate. Both Air India and Qatar would seem like a duplicity.

What do you all think of the next partner for India?

What about Russia?
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 10:37 am

@Quzar: Don"t forget that LH just recently signed a frequent flyer agreement with Jet. ALthough I have toi say their codeeshare with AirIndia ist still stronger tan their new relation with jet.

Russia is hard to say. I could think of S7 formerlz known as Siberia. They have a good coverage over all of Russia and a good hub in Domodedovo.
 
John
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 9:53 pm

I'd actually rather see Cathay jump ship from One World over to Star.
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Tue May 23, 2006 10:05 pm

As Air China service improved to the standards of LH or is Star Alliance lowering their standards. Twenty years ago Air China cabin service to SFO was a joke, made some of our LCC look great.
 
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RE: Air China To Join Star Alliance

Wed May 31, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 14):
The Star Alliance network recently also extended an invitation to Shanghai Airlines to join the alliance. This dual-hub approach will allow the alliance to offer a unique network from the two most important airports in China.

I haven't read anywhere what the estimated date of entry for both airlines is. I know this takes a while...later this year, or not until next summer?