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ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 4:18 am

So I have an acquaintance who needs to make use of ZED fares, as a retiree of airline X. Given the current location of this acquaintance (away from base) and my availability to do anything from checking fares to polishing shoes, I thought I'd bring the questions to the folks at a.net. So here it goes.

- Having checked flyzed.com, it states "Where travel is on the same route, but on different airline: Tickets will be accepted without endorsement, by any ZED airline with which your airline has an agreement, provided you have paid the agreed fare, or higher." What does the "without endrsement" mean? Is it advised to have multiple tix done up for two or more airlines, and use the airline that has the best availability for travel date? (refund is possible at airline X for unused tix)

- ID90 vs ZED: any advantage of one over the other? When it comes to ID90, which fare is looked at and 90% taken off? Full Y?
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 4:37 am

the 90% discount is of a full Y fare
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
What does the "without endrsement" mean?

For example, if the ticket is issued for travel PHL-LHR on BA, you may use it on another ZED fare carrier like US for PHL-LGW without BA "ruling" the BA coupons to US even though the flight coupons were ticketed as PHL-LHR on BA. Basically, if it's a ZED ticket for travel between the same two cities, any ZED carrier will accept the ticket provided the required ZED fare level or higher (ZL, ZM, ZH) was collected on the ticket to begin with.

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
Is it advised to have multiple tix done up for two or more airlines, and use the airline that has the best availability for travel date?

It's always adviseable to have backup tickets when traveling non-revenue.

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
ID90 vs ZED: any advantage of one over the other?

The advantage is that ZED tickets are usually cheaper and ID90 tickets and that ZED tickets have almost universal acceptance among participating ZED carriers.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 5:22 am

ZED fares allow you to be more flexible in your travel plans, however when I use travel I usually carry a bunch of tickets as ZED fares quite often aren't as cheap as using your own carrier, there are exceptions to this rule so check before booking.
However when you check in do make sure you hand the correct ticket over rather than the more expensive one that is also valid.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
What does the "without endrsement" mean?

Endorsing a ticket is usually a stamp, but sometimes a handwritten remark placed on the flight coupon authorizing another carrier to utilize that coupon to transport the passenger.

Zed tickets are only good for the same routing as they are issued as. If you are on a Zed ORD-SFO and the only way to get there is ORD-DEN-SFO, a single ORD-SFO ZED coupon won't work because the routing changes. Perhaps this is why the site recommends multiple tickets..so that you have "ready to go" multiple possible routings.

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
- ID90 vs ZED: any advantage of one over the other? When it comes to ID90, which fare is looked at and 90% taken off? Full Y?

ZED fares are zonal and based on distance. ID90's may or may not have any correlation to mileage. ZED's are usually cheaper than ID90's. Airlines typically don't offer employees of other airlines a choice, per se, between ZED and ID90's. It is something that is usually negoatiated between the two carriers..it's either one or the other, depending on which airline you work for and which airline you are trying to fly on.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 9:11 am

Correct me if I am wrong, aren't ZED fares also good on any carrier offering ZED fares (in agreement with your airline) to the destination.

If you have a ZED fare on BA from LHR to SYD, you could use EK through DXB, LH through FRA, VS through HKG and so on.

I have had many ZED fares issued and it usually states on my ticket valid on all ZED fare carriers.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 9:29 am

ZED fares are fares that airlines have agreed on based on milage of a segment. eg..

Base Fare
0-1000 miles - USD20.00
1000-1500miles - USD30.00 and so on

Various airlines have this agreement with each other for interline employee travel.

ID90 fares are 10 percent of the Y fare, and based on the route, it sometimes is pretty expensive. Z fares are usually and inexpensive way to travel as an employee on another airline.

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
I have had many ZED fares issued and it usually states on my ticket valid on all ZED fare carriers.

They do.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 6):
ZED fares are fares that airlines have agreed on based on milage of a segment. eg..

Base Fare
0-1000 miles - USD20.00
1000-1500miles - USD30.00 and so on

It depends.....
there is ZedLow ZedMedium and ZedHigh

all the prices are different!!!
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting OOer (Reply 8):
It depends.....
there is ZedLow ZedMedium and ZedHigh

all the prices are different!!!

Correct you are, forgot to mention that. When I left the airline industry, Zed Fares were just becoming popular. I was a pain in the a** to find the appropriate booking code to include in the pricing command. It is a great way to fly as an airline employee though.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sat May 20, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
If you have a ZED fare on BA from LHR to SYD, you could use EK through DXB, LH through FRA, VS through HKG and so on

In theory no, because the 'Z' in ZED means 'zonal' so the tickets need to match the zone. But I say 'in theory' because often as long as the start and end cities stay the same airline don't care how you get there because the money roughly balances out in the end.

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 6:13 am

WRONG AND WRONG.

It says valid on ZED carriers only maybe on the coupon, but lets say

You have LHR-BKK ZED coupon issued by your airline for an open Y segment on Thai Airways LHR-BKK in a Low-Zone Setting.

And your Airline does not have an agreement with QF even its a ZED carrier to several airlines, but you do have a ZED agreement with BA but in the medium zone section, as well as an agreement with BR in the low zone section. The coupon says valid on all ZED or valid on ZED carriers.

QF is a zed carrier to some airlines, so lets say you try to list and go up to QF and try to use the TG ticket. QF would most likely reject it cause even they are ZED, but they are not ZED to all carriers, so they will not accept it, cause they cannot get the money from your airline due to no agreement. They also look up their system to check if your Airline has an agreement or not.

You walk up with the ticket to BA, they wont accept it, since you do have a ZED agreement with BA, but its in the medium zone section, and most likely not allowed to pay differences, the ticket has to be bought again in the medium zone pricing.

You walk up to BR with the ticket, then they may accept it since your airline does have the same "low zone" agreement and BR does have a direct LHR-BKK route as TG does.

cannot use a different zone ticket on another carrier that has a different zone agreement with you and you cannot use a zone ticket on an airline that has no agreement with your airline directly regardless of a stamp or statement on your ticket. But yes some agents can be dumb and let you on, but do not assume it will happen.

They have to be segmented if a connection is needed, cant split a coupon if the flight number changes.

You can alternate cities if they are within the same mileage range and zone, such as an IAD-FRA ticket on LH could be used on ATL-FRA or JFK-FRA etc. but not LAX-FRA cause thats a different zone and price.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 10):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
If you have a ZED fare on BA from LHR to SYD, you could use EK through DXB, LH through FRA, VS through HKG and so on

In theory no, because the 'Z' in ZED means 'zonal' so the tickets need to match the zone. But I say 'in theory' because often as long as the start and end cities stay the same airline don't care how you get there because the money roughly balances out in the end.

LH423

Much better said than what I had written. Thanks LH423!!!

Malaysia, could you please explain what a middle or low zone section ZED fare is. All the ZED fares I have purchased have never addressed this, nor have the carriers I have flown or changed too when the original carrier was booked/cancelled.

Thanks is advance, Malaysia.

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
Malaysia, could you please explain what a middle or low zone section ZED fare is. All the ZED fares I have purchased have never addressed this, nor have the carriers I have flown or changed too when the original carrier was booked/cancelled.

Probably only the agent who issued it to you would know the rules then once you get it, it is fine, but here are clues

the FARE on the coupon will show for medium zone the price and near it will show an IDZM*** low zone would be IDZL** such as in IDZL9R and IDZH8R for High zone. 3rd letter is the level of zone, the number next to it is the mileage range that its set at. So you can get a general idea if your not sure what zone agreement was made with the other airline.

Medium zone

Distance in miles Ticket Designator Fare in USD
1-450 IDZM1R 19
451-750 IDZM2R 25
751-1600 IDZM3R 30
1601-3200 IDZM4R 43
3201-4080 IDZM5R 50
4081-5000 IDZM6R 59
5001-6100 IDZM7R 63
6101-7100 IDZM8R 70
7101-9000 IDZM9R 85

Low zone


Distance in miles Ticket Designator Fare in USD
1-450 IDZL1R 13
451-750 IDZL2R 16
751-1600 IDZL3R 21
1601-3200 IDZL4R 32
3201-4080 IDZL5R 37
4081-5000 IDZL6R 41
5001-6100 IDZL7R 49
6101-7100 IDZL8R 57
7101-9000 IDZL9R 63


High zone


Distance in miles Ticket Designator Fare in USD
1-450 IDZH1R 25
451-750 IDZH2R 36
751-1600 IDZH3R 44
1601-3200 IDZH4R 68
3201-4080 IDZH5R 89
4081-5000 IDZH6R 105
5001-6100 IDZH7R 113
6101-7100 IDZH8R 126
7101-9000 IDZH9R 150
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):

- Having checked flyzed.com

Those are generic rules and has no way any relation to your airline and its agreements. Do not go by what flyzed.com says.

you have to go by what ZED agreements your airline has and aslo if he is a retired employee, its more likely he is stuck with a High Zone Agreement.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 6:44 am

Gotcha!

Thanks Malaysia.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
Correct me if I am wrong, aren't ZED fares also good on any carrier offering ZED fares (in agreement with your airline) to the destination.

Yes in most cases. I had a GRU-CDG issued with carrier AF but, AZ,BA,RG,KL,LH,LX and TP would have taken it to any point in Europe. They did not check in GRU whether it was a ZL or ZH they just checked me in. ( TP finally saved my day by taken me to LIS!)

If it had been an ID90 or ID00 on AF nobody would have accepted me except AF.

One small detail: IB did not accept me as the routing was not to MAD. So anytime you try IB make sure your ZED shows the same final destination as the IB flight is going to.
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 7:00 am

Malaysia,

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble understanding the zones. Is that for boarding priority, for the class flown or something else? Thanks.
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 7:01 am

Also a side note.

if you get a ticket that seems way too low in price for a long route, check for the number of the mileage, if its 3 instead of 8, then that means you were charged in the 751-1600 mile range while the route is originally 6500 miles.

also check for a C if you see a CH at the end of the IDZ**** and your older than 12 years old, then it was a mistake, you got a child fare, there is a seperate table for children under 12 for ZED zones and its a bit cheaper.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 17):
I'm sorry but I'm having trouble understanding the zones. Is that for boarding priority, for the class flown or something else? Thanks.

No its not priority. It is whatever ZED agreement was made between your airline and another airline. If its a poor agreement, where the airline likes lotsa money from you, then they say they only accept the HIGH ZONE fares from you. if its a really good close relationship, then the airline will agree on accepting Low Zone fares.

its like

We are nice we accept cheap rates = Low Zone
We need a bit more money so we accept the medium rate = Medium Zone
We like money from OAL emps so we accept the Pricy rate = High


Under one Airline, they may do this

Employee = Low zone
Spouse = Medium Zone
Parents = High Zone
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Sun May 21, 2006 7:10 am

Another Side note,

An airline that likes lots of money from you would be wanting ID75 only.

and Id say one usual case is Singapore Airlines Big grin

they often only allow ID75 from other airline employers even if some are Star Alliance Members.

BA had some agreements with other carriers saying ID75 for trans-atlantic and ID-90 once in Europe. so they would get extra cash from you over the pond.

I have never found an ID75 to be cheaper than a confirmed ticket off the internet in my past experience.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Mon May 22, 2006 5:05 pm

ZED is the greatest thing ever!

I will not use anything else.

You no longer have to have back up tickets because of ZED.

A ZED carrier "should" accept your ticket as long as you are going close to the original routing.

Example- I had an AF ZED ticket for SF0-CDG and the flight was full. AF endorsed my ticket and I went over and got on VS SFO-LHR.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Mon May 22, 2006 5:36 pm

Is also depends on which airline he used to work for and the airline(s) he wants to use ZED tickets. Almost every airline has a different agreement. I'm not sure if all Airlines take retirees.

Other than that TWAAF9 summed it up really well.

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Mon May 22, 2006 5:49 pm

HP ZED tickets are the best... they simply have the route and don't even specify the airline. So no need to get it endorsed, or get weird looks from other airlines.

Another tip, UA has a limited ZED agreement and only allow a few airlines (AA, LH), but often the agents are new or in a hurry and you can trick them by giving them a ZED ticket... for instance LAX-ORD, just issue the ticket per your AA agreement and give it to the UA agent.. 90% chance you'll be on.
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Mon May 22, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 23):
Another tip, UA has a limited ZED agreement and only allow a few airlines (AA, LH),

Are you sure about that? UA has an agreement with AC I know that much. They're probably one of the easiest other airlines to fly on for AC employees.

Also HP not specifying the airline isn't always a good thing, each airline has different policies (partners permitted or not etc. etc.) It's good to know which airline you're going to be on on their policies regarding ZED tickets ahead of time.

AC's employee travel site shows which airlines fly the route and you can then reference the other airlines policy section to see which is best. Eg. LHR-CPH on BA would be a ZM with no partners allowed, but the same route on SK would be a ZL and partner travel is permitted.

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Mon May 22, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting Jeremy (Reply 21):
You no longer have to have back up tickets because of ZED.

Not if you want to go between two airlines with different zone agreements. they may not accept it.

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 23):
HP ZED tickets are the best... they simply have the route and don't even specify the airline. So no need to get it endorsed, or get weird looks from other airlines.

Not when you start getting it issued by US AIRWAYS, they will show the airline name on the ticket for ZEDs now.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Mon May 22, 2006 11:32 pm

Though, one must always remember the number one, supreme rule in non-rev travel. It's all in who you get.

The agent that you go to could mean life and death for your travel hopes on an airline and/or routing that doesn't match your ticket.

I know people who work for my company and got an airline with which we have an ID90 to take his ZED CX HKG-JFK flight for HKG-SFO and another airline with which we have a ZED agreement to take our company fare for CPT-LHR. I also had an airline take my company's ticket for a ZED airline's LHR-YUL. However, I've also been refused acceptance on other airlines than that which my ticket was printed despite the endorsement "VALID ALL ZED CARRIERS". I, myself, have also taken tickets that don't match our ZED level with the airline in question. I once had a Star Alliance airline employee present a ZL ticket for LH BOS-FRA and I accepted him for our BOS-LHR flight despite our agreement being a ZM with his airline. I guess I believe in karma. At the end of the day, don't we all just want to get home? And isn't the point of 'NON-REV' travel supposed to be that the airline doesn't make money? Sometimes I find the rules governing non-rev travel a bit archaic and silly.

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Mon May 22, 2006 11:52 pm

My experience with ZED tickets has been great so far. Always accepted and even with different routings on it.
I used a ticket issued for EZE-CDG on GRU-CDG once (I lost some money though)

I had a very bad experience three weeks ago with a BA agent at LHR T4 in the staff travel section (I don't work for BA)

I was trying to use QF (BA does all the handling) and this guys said if I had not listed myself on the phone with QF I could not travel. He was one of "those guys" who seemed to enjoy making nonrev life pretty miserable. First time ever bad experience with BA.

Other than that I have many times turned up for a long haul flight late (due to trying different flights) and staff has always been really helpful.

Yes, they are inexpensive to use and prove extremely good value for money but most of all is the flexibility you get.
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 26):
I guess I believe in karma.

So true!
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 4:17 am

I also enjoy using ZED tickets and I always have been happy with them so far.
Knowing its flexibility, it's a very good-value for money reward for airline employee who can benefit from it. Even when I'm on ID00 with my company I always have ZED tickets issued as back-up.
Just a question:
Will it stay a "paper" ticket when IATA will impose its "all e-ticket" policy ?

Rgds to all the non revs !!  Wink

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 29):
Will it stay a "paper" ticket when IATA will impose its "all e-ticket" policy ?

Those of us who are non-revs will be probably last to be issued e-tickets for OAL travel. I have yet to be an e-ticket for other airlines. Seems like its harder to get all the airlines up to speed when it comes to pass travel and the issuance of tickets, rather e-tickets, for employees for use on other airlines.

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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 5:58 am

One thing to remember is that if you are flying on carrier A, and you are from carrier B, then your boarding priority will always be after staff of host carrier.

This is why it may be a better bet to get both ID90 and ZED when travelling on another carrier, and use the ID90 to give you better priority than the ZED fare.

That's my understanding of the situation, but airlines may differ.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 6:19 am

ZED fares are awesome and offer so much more flexibility. They are usually cheaper than ID90, and it makes travelling around the world like going on a bus. I've had great stories with my ZED tickets, and have even had non-ZED carriers accept them for travel (following endorsement) when my originally planned flight was full!
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 11:54 am

ZED fares are wonderful - though I've had some bad experiences with airline agents accepting them, I've had good ones as well  Smile

I once was trying HKG-SYD on QF - couldn't get on but another airline took my ticket and got me up there no questions asked.

Another time I was trying to get on a different routing from PRG and the ticket desk agents kept saying "we have no agreement with your airline we cannot accept your ticket"  Sad One of the downsides of working for a regional, I suppose...
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 30):

Those of us who are non-revs will be probably last to be issued e-tickets for OAL travel. I have yet to be an e-ticket for other airlines. Seems like its harder to get all the airlines up to speed when it comes to pass travel and the issuance of tickets, rather e-tickets, for employees for use on other airlines.

B6 and VS does have an E-ticket for OALs usually with station agreements.

But thats about all as far as I know for E-tickets
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 1:47 pm

Is there a website for ZEDfares ?
 
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 4:09 pm

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 25):
Quoting Jeremy (Reply 21):
You no longer have to have back up tickets because of ZED.

Not if you want to go between two airlines with different zone agreements. they may not accept it.

True, but at my carrier, we have about 90% ZM, therefore no problems!
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 8:24 pm

This is a great thread guys, very very useful. FInally the ZED fares make more sense.

Singapore Airlines are generally very bad, and only charge higher band fares to most airlines.
Olympic Airways dont seem to have agreements with hardly anyone!

Can I clarify though, if you have paid a medium or higher band fare, what are your chances of being accepted onto another carrier, whose name is not printed on the ticket?
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting Carledwards (Reply 37):
Olympic Airways dont seem to have agreements with hardly anyone!

I think Aeroflot as well does not have agreements with everyone.

Quoting Carledwards (Reply 37):
Can I clarify though, if you have paid a medium or higher band fare, what are your chances of being accepted onto another carrier, whose name is not printed on the ticket?

Chances are okay if that other airline you go to has agreement with you.
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RE: ZED Fares, Please Explain

Tue May 23, 2006 11:32 pm

I use ZED travel all the time I was in New York last week, Vegas next week and back to London then off to LAX the week after, they are so cheap. A London-Vegas ZED is just $190 roundtrip. I nearly alway get upgraded too on ZD fares with good airlines, although its now the norm in the Middle East/Asia/Africa not to be allowed to Ugrade SA travellers

Happy flying to all!!