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Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 11:16 am

My observations of aircraft remaining in the mid livery are based on the Airliners.net photograph search engine.

4 733/732 remain and may have been retired recently.

Please advise if any of these have been painted into "Deltaflot"

767
N122DL 122
N128DL 128
N130DL 130
N172DN 172
N175DN 175
N196DN 196
N1201P 1201
N143DA 1403
N1602 1602
N1604R 1604
N1605 1605
N1608 1608
N1611B 1611
N171DZ 1701
N175DZ 1705

757
N611DL 611
N612DL 612
N621DL 621
N623DL 623
N626DL 626
N627DL 627
N629DL 629
N633DL 633
N657DL 657
N687DL 687
N688DL 688
N689DL 689
N690DL 690
N692DL 692

738
N372DA 3702
N380DA 3710
N383DN 3713
N384DA 3714
N387DA 3717
N392DA 3722

732 (to be retired)
N306DL 306
N309DL 309
N311DL 311

733 (to be retired)
N305WA 205
 
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 1:01 pm

Does anyone know the status of any of the Connection carriers? I know that ASA has been painting some of their CRJs that were in the Ron Allen into DeltaFlot, and all ATRs in the Landor are now gone (only the 630-640 series are left). I believe all the Comair planes in the 7xx series are in the Ron Allen, with a few in the 9xx series; I believe the entire 4xx and all CR7s are in the new. SkyWest, I'm not entirely sure about...I don't get many opportunities to do widespread SkyWest spotting (I'll normally only pick up 1-2 at a time on my West Coast swings).

Also, if anyone knows what ex-Song planes are still in the Song livery, that info would be great.

Also, according to this thread ( http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/2368502/4/ ), the 680/690 range 757s are all either Song/Deltaflot, as is N175DZ (I can confirm this is in the new livery; I saw it in ATL a couple weeks ago).

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 1:26 pm

My coment is not ment to bash DL but I find it ironic there are 757 that where painted in new colors, same aircraft repainted into Song, and now back into new DL colors again while some other 757's are still in the Ron Allen scheme !

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Does anyone know the status of any of the Connection carriers? I know that ASA has been painting some of their CRJs

This is highly "unscientific," but on 5/10 and 5/14 while I was in ATL, -all- except one of the ASA CRJ-200's I saw were in the new livery. Most of the larger CRJ-700's I saw were in that as well. I also noted, while taxing out, that there was at least one 777 in the final stages of painting. (It was sort of cool to see it entirely white and nearly glowing with that snowy new-paint look!)

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Also, if anyone knows what ex-Song planes are still in the Song livery, that info would be great.

I know 613 is still in the song livery. I just flew on it earlier tonight ATL-IAD.
 
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting QFATWA (Thread starter):
767

Ships 196 and 1611 have already been repainted
 
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 1:46 pm

Quoting WhiteBirdFlyer (Reply 4):
I also noted, while taxing out, that there was at least one 777 in the final stages of painting. (It was sort of cool to see it entirely white and nearly glowing with that snowy new-paint look

huh...wierd because all of the 777s have been painted in the deltaflot for over a year now....are you sure it wasnt a 763?? this would be quite interesting if a 777 was being painted again...maybe they plan on unvealing a new livery soon....and i know what the critics will say...DL doesn't need a new livery now, however mgmt has been quoted as saying a new livery is coming soon.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting WhiteBirdFlyer (Reply 4):
I also noted, while taxing out, that there was at least one 777 in the final stages of painting.

I forget if TechOps has their own paint shop but it might have been someone else's or has been said a 763 which there are some left in the mid colors.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 7):
huh...wierd because all of the 777s have been painted in the deltaflot for over a year now....are you sure it wasnt a 763?? this would be quite interesting if a 777 was being painted again...

It was a 777, of that I'm pretty certain. However, to be more specific, it was the tail section that I could see had just been done over -- still surrounded by scaffolding and very white. What I saw of the rest of the aircraft was also clear, in that DL's name hadn't been painted yet. They could have been just doing the tail section or something, but it did look like the entire plane had just either been painted or "waxed" (ha!) as it had that "new-paint glow" to it.

But to think on it more, even though it was in DL's hangars, it could theoretically have been another airline's aircraft. Couldn't see any registration or DL numbers on it.

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 7):
huh...wierd because all of the 777s have been painted in the deltaflot for over a year now....are you sure it wasnt a 763?? this would be quite interesting if a 777 was being painted again...maybe they plan on unvealing a new livery soon....and i know what the critics will say...DL doesn't need a new livery now, however mgmt has been quoted as saying a new livery is coming soon.

I believe the first 777 in the new livery was delivered back in 2000 (I'm pretty sure the new livery premiered on a 777), so a touch-up visit might have been necessary, since it might have been 6 years since the paint job.

As for a new Delta livery - I remain entrenched in the camp that says it isn't happening. Grinstein did fire the PR firm that advised of the new livery, saying there was already too much brand confusion with the different liveries, not to mention that DL's current management seems to be focusing on creating a better in-flight experience (note the customer session they had the other day in ATL), with a focus on being the top airline by providing the best service (this might have come from the even-longer thread on the Delta FlyerTalk forum...I hang out over there as much as I hang out here). I don't see a livery being as pressing of a need right now, as that doesn't seriously effect this (in fact, I would say having 3 liveries out there, which would be the case, severly muddles the brand image and makes it harder to achieve this goal - if the current livery had been in place 10-15 years, then I'd say go for it, but with 1997 planes still floating around, I see it as a negative).

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 7):
...DL doesn't need a new livery now, however mgmt has been quoted as saying a new livery is coming soon.

Oh, please let that be true!!! The current scheme is a disaster. Boring white fuselage, half painted engines, and a flag that doesn't stand for anything. The widget was a classic, and I thought the Allen scheme looked professional and classy. Deltaflot is not only an uninspired livery, but a reminder of Delta's toughest period in its history. The sooner that scheme fades into oblivion, the better.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 3:00 pm

AFAIK, for 767s:
N1604R 1604
N1605 1605
N1608 1608
N1611B 1611
N175DZ 1705
N196DN 196

are all now in the new colors.

All 737-800s are now in the new colors, and all 737-300s have been retired. I'm sure a few more have been painted but I'm not sure of them. DL employees could probably help out.
 
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 11):
Oh, please let that be true!!! The current scheme is a disaster. Boring white fuselage, half painted engines, and a flag that doesn't stand for anything. The widget was a classic, and I thought the Allen scheme looked professional and classy. Deltaflot is not only an uninspired livery, but a reminder of Delta's toughest period in its history. The sooner that scheme fades into oblivion, the better.

Well I think it's hip and exciting. I found the classic schemes to be plain and unoriginal. I prefer the brighter colors of wavy-gravy over the darker and boring colors of the classic scheme anyday.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 1):
who cares about DL when they will get their new livery. right now they can't make any profits for a while. not the greatest airline to fly with. their passenger load isn't the greatest either. whats with that.

You are useless! What do you even come on here for?!? I've yet to see you contribute one thing to a topic, get over your hatred of DL and actually add something to the conversation.

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting Db373 (Reply 13):
Well I think it's hip and exciting. I found the classic schemes to be plain and unoriginal. I prefer the brighter colors of wavy-gravy over the darker and boring colors of the classic scheme anyday.

I certainly don't see anything exciting about it, but that is just my opinion. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.  Smile
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 1):
who cares about DL when they will get their new livery. right now they can't make any profits for a while. not the greatest airline to fly with. their passenger load isn't the greatest either. whats with that.

That is by far the worst written post I have ever seen..! AC, a Quadriplegic monkey could have written a better post..! You asked two question and never used one question mark...You have one run on sentence, two sentence's that are fragments, and one sentence that does not make any damn sense... I mean really, if your going to write this crap at least make it readable!

Let see how this should have looked...


Who cares about when DL will get their new livery! It will be a while before they can show any profits, (need something else here) (Ill help you out this time) so why are they wasting their money on different paint jobs? (<----AC, that is what a question mark looks like) Their passenger loads are not that great either, why is that? Overall, I do not think DL is a good airline to fly on.


Does not have to be perfect, but readable would be nice...
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sat May 20, 2006 5:22 pm

Quoting N160LH (Reply 16):
Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 1):
who cares about DL when they will get their new livery. right now they can't make any profits for a while. not the greatest airline to fly with. their passenger load isn't the greatest either. whats with that.

That is by far the worst written post I have ever seen..! AC, a Quadriplegic monkey could have written a better post..! You asked two question and never used one question mark...You have one run on sentence, two sentence's that are fragments, and one sentence that does not make any damn sense... I mean really, if your going to write this crap at least make it readable!

Let see how this should have looked...


Who cares about when DL will get their new livery! It will be a while before they can show any profits, (need something else here) (Ill help you out this time) so why are they wasting their money on different paint jobs? (<----AC, that is what a question mark looks like) Their passenger loads are not that great either, why is that? Overall, I do not think DL is a good airline to fly on.


Does not have to be perfect, but readable would be nice...
-160

Do you expect anything else from a middle schooler that has 3 model planes?

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
AFAIK, for 767s:
N1604R 1604
N1605 1605
N1608 1608
N1611B 1611
N175DZ 1705
N196DN 196

As far as I can concur is that N1604R, N1611B and N175DZ are all in the new colors. The others, I will take Jeremy's word for.

Quoting WhiteBirdFlyer (Reply 4):
This is highly "unscientific," but on 5/10 and 5/14 while I was in ATL, -all- except one of the ASA CRJ-200's I saw were in the new livery. Most of the larger CRJ-700's I saw were in that as well. I

All of the -700's were delivered in the 2000 colors.

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 3:11 am

Not to nitpick, but there's still 4 different liveries in the DL fleet, even with classic Widget now gone.
1. Ron Allen
2. Wavy Gravy with Mk 2 "soft" widget
3. Wavy Gravy with Mk 1 original widget, the current scheme
4. Song

The widget difference is something only spotters really notice.
 
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 3):
My coment is not ment to bash DL but I find it ironic there are 757 that where painted in new colors, same aircraft repainted into Song, and now back into new DL colors again while some other 757's are still in the Ron Allen scheme !

as if they where not thinking clearly. have expirienced such things often with Delta.


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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 5:57 am

Don't know the registration numbers, but every morning we have a Song-schemed aircraft flying RNO-ATL. Started seeing the Song scheme a couple of weeks ago.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 1):
who cares about DL when they will get their new livery. right now they can't make any profits for a while. not the greatest airline to fly with. their passenger load isn't the greatest either. whats with that.

Why don't you think about when AC is going to get the rest of their tails painted? Perhaps you need to see a Federal NDP government that will turn your beloved AC into AZ and what a bad joke that is!
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 1):
their passenger load isn't the greatest either

Odd, I always thought DL had good loadfactors.
 
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
Odd, I always thought DL had good loadfactors.

And you would be correct..!

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 10:33 am

Leave wavy gravy now, it stands out from the rest of the US-based carriers.

I like the white fuselage, it's clean and I think the engines are nice the way they are, they were designed to be painted that way.

Enough already...

Let DL focus on what it's trying to focus on: winning the customer over again.

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 11:11 am

306 & 309 were in 97 colors when they visited ROC this month. 306 looked like crap,too!
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 11:24 am

I always thought DL's new livery is a great look. Better than the previous liveries.


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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 11:29 am

OK....we've heard from the Anti-WavyGravy crowd.

Now how would you improve it? What would be better?

I would like to see the modernized widget be full size on the forward fuselage like in the old days....just updated, and much bigger...really push the widget.

No cheat line.

Big Titles, in big BOLD BLACK LETTERS, Don't be afraid of saying who you are!, from the windows up, spelling out Delta Air Lines, from the widget to about half way back to the tail.

Now as for the tail....haven't quite figured that out. Maybe something along the lines of the Landor/Allen scheme, but turn it around a bit, a horizontal band of blue or red, then the remaining top 3/4 of the tail in the other color, either red or blue.
The name Delta would go in that horizontal band at the bottom of the tail.
OR.
I have tossed around the names of states, nations, cities...
"Delta's Pride of Atlanta, or New York, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, Boston, Orlando, Salt Lake City, Frankfurt, Johannesburg, London, etc"

Engines. Red.

Black non-glare strip under cockpit windows.

Black nose tip.


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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 12:45 pm

there's a great thread about potential livery's goin on...somewhere..posted this there, will post here too. Here's my vision for Delta!

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 1):
who cares about DL when they will get their new livery. right now they can't make any profits for a while. not the greatest airline to fly with. their passenger load isn't the greatest either. whats with that.

Hmm...can't make a profit? Let's alk about your beloved Air Canada. They posted a loss which was primarily made up of their maintenance department. How pray tell could the maintenance department be responsible for a loss you ask?...Well they lowballed their bid to perform maintenance on the Delta 757/767 lines and discovered they couldn't do it for the figure they have in their contract. Which airline looks dumb now? Quick hint...they have a maple leaf logo.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting N160LH (Reply 24):
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
Odd, I always thought DL had good loadfactors.

And you would be correct..!

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Sun May 21, 2006 6:40 pm

For the most part I have only seen a couple of Song planes repainted into the Delta colors. I for one really like the current livery. Its cool. I hope that it stays that way. Someone said that they should have big black letters stating thier name boldy. That to me is tacky the plane is fine as it is. Only LCC's have to put thier name big on thier planes to save money on billboards.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Mon May 22, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 27):
Here's my vision for Delta!

That's good. For my taste, I'd extend the full name of the airline out to include "Air Lines", or use a bigger font that maybe is over the windows as well so there isn't so much white, but yours is a very good start.
I'd give it an A-
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Mon May 22, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 10):
The widget was a classic, and I thought the Allen scheme looked professional and classy.

I agree... I don't mind the new colors, but I LOVE the Ron Allen middle scheme. When I spot at ATL in FS2004, I always love seeing a couple Ron Allens in a see of wavy gravy!

Quoting COA735 (Reply 25):
I always thought DL's new livery is a great look. Better than the previous liveries.


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That's actually a really great picture that shows off why I love that livery. I'd say the 767-300, 757, and 737-800 look best in that livery.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Mon May 22, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 31):
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 27):
Here's my vision for Delta!

Not to bad... I see that you also would be adding winglets on the 737-800's... I personally think that DL should stay with the Deltaflot livery until a new era can start... By "new era" I mean coming out of Bankruptcy and a new order of birds from Boeing can be delivered... I think thats when a fresh livery would be best recieved by the traveling public...

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Tue May 23, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting Flyboeingjets (Reply 17):
Not to nitpick, but there's still 4 different liveries in the DL fleet, even with classic Widget now gone.
1. Ron Allen
2. Wavy Gravy with Mk 2 "soft" widget
3. Wavy Gravy with Mk 1 original widget, the current scheme
4. Song

The widget difference is something only spotters really notice

I would also say there are 2 Song liveries (not counting Pinky). The original, with smaller flysong.com titles in white on green and the newer larger flysong.com in green on the white part of the fuse.

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Tue May 23, 2006 10:59 pm

Ship 1608 is definetely in new colours.
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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Wed May 24, 2006 1:53 am

Any word on ex-Song aircraft being painted back to mainline colors other than N693DL, N6712B, and N6713Y?

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RE: Delta Fleet Not Yet In New Livery

Wed May 24, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 29):
Every DL flight my dads been on for years has been almost or totally full.

Oh, so it must be true.
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