NKMCO
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Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sat May 20, 2006 11:22 pm

I'm curious - since inflight crews spend so much nights in the hotels are they allowed to get hotel rewards for that?
For instance, if you work for a bank and they send you on a business trip most of the times you can get that hotels stay put on your hotel reward card...
 
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sat May 20, 2006 11:27 pm

I doubt it, the airlines probably get such good rates that there is no room for any other benefits.
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sat May 20, 2006 11:44 pm

Reward points are not given for industry rates and contracted rates such as this type.
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sat May 20, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting NKMCO (Thread starter):
I'm curious - since inflight crews spend so much nights in the hotels are they allowed to get hotel rewards for that?
For instance, if you work for a bank and they send you on a business trip most of the times you can get that hotels stay put on your hotel reward card...

That's pretty funny, it's like asking if they get FF points for their working flights!
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 1:15 am

I carry most hotel FF cards, and most if not all of our contracted hotels do not extend points for the actual stay. They will however honour points for miscellaneous charges incurred (dining, beverages, room service, etc) on a point per dollar value.
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 4:40 am

well isn't this a set of interesting comments. Yet businessmen who fly on company business using the negotitated corp discounts which can sometimes be as high as 50% still acquire full miles on airlines. i've always argued that the same level of discount given should extend to the amount of miles accrued
 
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting NKMCO (Thread starter):
are they allowed to get hotel rewards for that?

No. Since the only way you build the points is to pay the bill, they don't get to do that. Also, the rooms are charged at a corporate rate and as said above, you can't build points that way either
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Quoting NKMCO (Thread starter):
are they allowed to get hotel rewards for that?

No. Since the only way you build the points is to pay the bill, they don't get to do that. Also, the rooms are charged at a corporate rate and as said above, you can't build points that way either

Not all the time, one hotel that we stayed at in Marina del Rey gave crews the points, for months all I did was LA layovers there and accrued enough points to bring my brothers kids to Disneyland and we stayed there for 4 nights for free.

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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting Meechy36 (Reply 7):
Not all the time, one hotel that we stayed at in Marina del Rey gave crews the points, for months all I did was LA layovers there and accrued enough points to bring my brothers kids to Disneyland and we stayed there for 4 nights for free.

That's what I was wandering. Although previous comments were suggesting that it was impossible, I know that when I used to work for a NY based airline I went to training to LA and stayed for 2 weeks (I believe it was Marriott) and got points credit for all of that.

So it is possible, but I was wandering which chain does that and/or which specific hotels?

Thanks!
 
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 7:09 am

Ramada is the only one I know of that will (but not always) give crew members points. Otherwise, you're out of luck!

And I don't know why flight crews are different. Our rates aren't always that much more discounted than other negotiated rates for corp. customers. Why does my mother-in-law get to stay at Marriott's on the corporate dollar and earn all the points and I can't earn any? There ought to be a law...

It's a sore subject for flight crews... the hotel industry, as a whole, treat airline crews like step-children.
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 9):
Why does my mother-in-law get to stay at Marriott's on the corporate dollar and earn all the points and I can't earn any?

I agree completely! It just doesn't make sense to me. The hotel company gets guaranteed money all the time so the crew should get even extra points for bringing all that business.  Smile I took Marriott for example... The only thing I could find on their rewards Terms and Condition is the following:

15. When traveling on business, it is the member's responsibility to comply with his or her company policy concerning travel programs. Information regarding a member's accumulation of points or miles for business travel is subject to disclosure to the member's company.

So if the airline has no policy saying "you can't get points" the crew should be able to accrue points, correct?
 
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 7:30 am

It depends on the hotel chain and/or the individual hotel property. Tends to be a crap shoot as to who does and who doesn't.

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 9):
It's a sore subject for flight crews... the hotel industry, as a whole, treat airline crews like step-children.

While there is a small (and I mean small) hint of truth there, what about when the roles are reversed. I have seen crews treat hotel staff like crap. You would think that crew members wouldn't be that way since we are in the same field, but it happens.

We could start a thread about how crews conduct themselves on layovers (if it hasn't been started already) at hotels. Sometimes to the point where contracts are lost as a result of an individual or two.
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
No. Since the only way you build the points is to pay the bill, they don't get to do that. Also, the rooms are charged at a corporate rate and as said above, you can't build points that way either

What?

Most of our top tier flyers are businessmen/women traveling for work (like flight crews).

Their company pays for the ticket (just like the airlines pay for the crew hotel).

Most get deep discounted corporate rates or corporate discounts on published rates (like flight crews).

I have read quite a few hotel frequet guest program rules... they specifically exclude working flight crews from the agreement. I guess they did not want so many airline top tier members due to the number of nights they stay.

Imagine crew members would never have to pay for a personal leisure hotel stay. They would be hotel mile moguls!  hyper 

I am not a flight crew member so I don't personally care... but if I was it would annoy the hell out of me too.

BTW when I travel on company business and use our airline negotiated rate I DO receive miles because I AM not a flight crew and there is nothing in the program rules that excludes any other airline employee.

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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 9:35 am

With hotels and when I am traveling on business I actually pay the bill at check out and then get reimbursed from my company, where as airline crews never pay the actual bill!
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 9:43 am

The only time I ever receive points at hotels are when I stay at one on my time. I commute to EWR and occasionally need a hotel between trips.

On layovers, I also receive points when they are room charge related (i.e., room service, internet charges when they apply, pay per view movies and the like). All hotel chains, at least they have and continue to do so for me, do give points for those charges, mind you these are not points for the room rate.
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting NKMCO (Reply 8):
Quoting Meechy36 (Reply 7):
Not all the time, one hotel that we stayed at in Marina del Rey gave crews the points, for months all I did was LA layovers there and accrued enough points to bring my brothers kids to Disneyland and we stayed there for 4 nights for free.

That's what I was wandering. Although previous comments were suggesting that it was impossible, I know that when I used to work for a NY based airline I went to training to LA and stayed for 2 weeks (I believe it was Marriott) and got points credit for all of that.

So it is possible, but I was wandering which chain does that and/or which specific hotels?

Thanks!

It was a Marriott Courtyard, they asked me during my first trip if I was a member, I said I wasn't, I filled out a form, they gave me a number to use until my card showed up. A couple weeks later I got a card in the mail, they scanned it every trip and like I said I ended up with 4 nights free in LA to take my nieces to Disney.

I don't know who posted but the hotels that treat crews like stepchildren are few an far between, at least in my experience. I fly international now and I can honestly say out of all the hotels in Europe that we stay in only one treats airline crews like crap, all the other ones bend over backwards for us. Domestically I can't recall a hotel we stayed at that was bad.

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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting NKMCO (Reply 10):
I agree completely! It just doesn't make sense to me. The hotel company gets guaranteed money all the time so the crew should get even extra points for bringing all that business. I took Marriott for example... The only thing I could find on their rewards Terms and Condition is the following:

Hilton HHonors (the only one I know -- my employer has essentially a "Hilton-brand only" policy, though we don't get negotiated rates) specifically state that for accruing points...

Quote:
Eligible Rate stays are stays at all rates except wholesale/tour operator packages, contracted airline crew rates, complimentary or barter rooms, stays on NET Group, Series Group or IT Group rates, contracted Entertainment or Encore rates and stays using airline percent-off award certificates.

...I think part of it has to do with the points primarially being a tool to attract business, when an airline contracts a rate with a hotel they're gaurnteed as much business as they can get already, so there's no advantage to awarding points to someone who really had no say in the decision of where, when, or how long to stay (This would also explain why Hilton HHonors disqualifies stays booked through "opaque" channels like Priceline)
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Sun May 21, 2006 2:47 pm

It depends on what kind of rate the airline negotiated with that particular hotel. When i flew commercial we got points at only a few hotels in our system. I can only think of 3. Now that I work charter it is more like 50-50. If my company is paying the same rate as some businessman´s company pays for him I think we should both be entitled to the same rewards benefits.
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RE: Inflight Crew And Hotel Rewards

Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 am

I get my Hilton points at our overnights in Hilton properties. Have not tried the Trip Rewards program tho.



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