Curious
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How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 1:08 am

Hi, Very curious to know what a tu is worth and how it compares to its western counterparts? say the tu154 or the 204-214 compared to Airbus & Boeing versions in the same classification?

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 7:57 am

The price range of Tupolev-204 is dlrs 22-28 million which is close to half of similar western-build aircraft, he said.

Source: Iran mulls purchase of Russian-made Tupolev plans

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 8:23 pm

Quoting JHSfan (Reply 1):
The price range of Tupolev-204 is dlrs 22-28 million which is close to half of similar western-build aircraft, he said.

Which is why they dont sell many. Buy Russian=Cheap.

if it's not cheap buy western or chinese

Considering their workers probably are paid less than 1/3 their western counterparts, and the local cost of materials is also cheaper buying Russian at western prices doesnt sound like a good idea.
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):
Considering their workers probably are paid less than 1/3 their western counterparts, and the local cost of materials is also cheaper buying Russian at western prices doesnt sound like a good idea.

It may seem that way but I don't believe its the case. Russian aircraft like the 154 are a very tough aircraft, remember the one that took out a whole row of approach lights on flare and didn't even know it happened?.

I don't know what the 204 is actually made of but I can pretty much assume its made of the same materials as all of their other aircraft, sure the engines may be the most unreliable part but the 204 is planning on an RB211 variant (source - Airliner World).

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 3):

The Tu154 at $20-30mn doesnt sound like a good deal when compared to an A320 or 737 at the same price ?

2 engines vs 3 engines
Similar range / capacity
HIgh Maintenace vs Low Maintenace
High Fuel vs Low Fuel costs


It might be built like a tank, but if it's a profit I seek, quality / cost is the measure I would use.

Some 1960's technology doesnt live up too well at the same price.

Upgrade the Tu154 or reduce the price.
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 8:56 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):

Yes well that price was for the 204 which looks like the offspring of a 757 mixed with an A321. The TU154M is still in production and is more efficient than the older counterparts but still pales in comparison to the A32X or 73G but surely will be much cheaper still.

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 9:26 pm

Stop trying to discourage airlines from using the Tu154. I like seeing them, so zip it  Wink
 
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting JHSfan (Reply 1):
The price range of Tupolev-204 is dlrs 22-28 million which is close to half of similar western-build aircraft, he said.

But still they have few or none orders

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):

Considering their workers probably are paid less than 1/3 their western counterpar

More probably 1/7 or 1/10
 
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 9:52 pm

Woud a UK carrier be allowed to operate from the uk to europe with
a Tupolev 154 / 204.

Say a new UK start up wanted to go for these types, are they allowed on the "G Register" or can it be leased in with a EU reg instead, like Bulgarian Air or something.

Hope that makes sense

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Sun May 21, 2006 10:41 pm

The Tu154M still production? I thought that stopped back in 2000?
 
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 9):
The Tu154M still production? I thought that stopped back in 2000?

No, very last ones are approaching completion, after that the plant where they are built will focus on mx,rework, etc.

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 3):
I don't know what the 204 is actually made of but I can pretty much assume its made of the same materials as all of their other aircraft, sure the engines may be the most unreliable part but the 204 is planning on an RB211 variant (source - Airliner World).

It's already in souce, it is called the Tu-204-120.

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting Mogget (Reply 6):
Stop trying to discourage airlines from using the Tu154. I like seeing them, so zip it

I like the TU154 too, but I have heard too many stories from friends having flown them how unkomfortable they are compared to the western build ones.
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting SBE727 (Reply 8):
Say a new UK start up wanted to go for these types, are they allowed on the "G Register" or can it be leased in with a EU reg instead, like Bulgarian Air or something.

You wouldn't be have it certified on the G- register as it is not certified in the UK. You could go down the road of trying to get it certified in the UK but the costs would be too high.

Nothing to stop them leasing them in from a country who is part of the EU Common Skies policy though.
 
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 1:20 am

The Tu154 used must be VERY cheap. There are so many fourth-tier airlines in Russia flying those things around. They really are built like tanks.
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 1:53 am

You can't compare cold war era Soviet aircrafts with Western aircrafts. The Soviet Unios is vast and air transportation was to them what roads were for the Romans. The problem was, and especially the Tu-154 (which is said to be really a Tu-134 with three of everything) that they were built for very rough airfields and very extreme weather conditions. The Il-62 and the Tu-154, for example all could land on rough or unprepared strips.

In the West there was no need for this. As most countries had adequate airfields. And still, you had a version of the 737 for unprepared fields. Or at least gravel fields.

Another reason was the Soviet design philosophy at the time "keep it simple".

I have heard different points of view. But in general, at least in my view, there appears to be a consensus where the Tu-154M had better performance than a 727-200 ADV

As for the Tu-204 I really don't know much.
 
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 4:15 am

Tu-154s right now are goind for around 3-5million USD last time I read.
 
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting Curious (Thread starter):
How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Hello all

Depends on how many beer cans you can get out of 1 aircraft.  wink 

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 10):
No, very last ones are approaching completion, after that the plant where they are built will focus on mx,rework, etc.

To which airline are these going?

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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 17):
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 10):
No, very last ones are approaching completion, after that the plant where they are built will focus on mx,rework, etc.

To which airline are these going?

cheers, Konstantin G.

Who flies the newest TU-154s??
 
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RE: How Much Is A Tupolev Worth?

Mon May 22, 2006 3:53 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
The Tu154 at $20-30mn doesnt sound like a good deal when compared to an A320 or 737 at the same price ?

Not at all. I think you have to include in the equation the higher costs for fuel over the period of let's say 5-10 years, logistical nightmares with obtaining spare parts i.e. when you make an emrgency landing somewhere in western Africa, etc.

Quoting SBE727 (Reply 8):
Woud a UK carrier be allowed to operate from the uk to europe with
a Tupolev 154

Isn't there a ban on flights of the Tu-154s within the EU (non-compliance with noise limits) coming into effect anytime soon? Like 2007?

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