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SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 9:34 am

Today at IAD SAS A330 LN-RKH landed on 1R with missing winglet and part of the wing.
What I mean by part of the wing is that sheet of wing component was ripped off, just like you would cut empty can of Coke with the scisors but not even, and edges would hang on all sides.
Any news about it yet?

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 9:53 am

Any photos??? I haven't heard anything about it on the news...
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 9:57 am

Since many planes are certified to fly with one winglet missing, I doubt the plane was ever in danger, unless some internal part of the wing was damaged.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 9:58 am

On the picture it looks like it was ripped off inflight. But I just checked flight tracker and flight SAS296 is inflight.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 10:03 am

This has happened before. I seem to recall a KLM B-747-400 that lost a winglet in heavy turbalance in the early 1990s.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting Lindy (Reply 3):
On the picture

care to share?
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
Quoting Lindy (Reply 3):
On the picture

care to share?

We're all waiting
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 11:22 pm

Sure hope "in flight" means somewhere over water or mountains, cause I would not care for a winglet slicing through my living room.

I also don't care for people seeing pictures and commenting them without showing them to me

[Edited 2006-05-21 16:22:55]
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 7):
cause I would not care for a winglet slicing through my living room.

I'd actually care for it. Not only would get it fixed for free, you could get a lot of money for it. Remember the Sioux City DC-10. I think that woman that found the part of the engine got pretty rich.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 8):
Remember the Sioux City DC-10. I think that woman that found the part of the engine got pretty rich.
That was a totally different setting, the engine-fan she found was a crucial part in the investigation of the accident, this is a small mishap in comparison.

But of course, finding it is just as important, the last time I checked, winglets weren't exactly supposed to fall of  boggled 

[Edited 2006-05-21 16:48:50]
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Sun May 21, 2006 11:49 pm

A winglet could make a nice centerpiece on my living room table. Especially one of those 8ft 737 ones.

I look forward to seeing the photo.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:04 am

I'd definitely care to know more about the incident because I flew on this exact plane back in 2003.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:23 am

Hey Guys,

Forgot to add picture. Here it is:
http://home.comcast.net/~tipek/sasnowinglet.jpg

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:51 am

So it didn't make an emergency landing, then? I wonder when exactly it happened. Must be scary for a passenger to see a part of the wing get torn off.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:52 am

According to flight trakkers it went back to Copenhagen last night. No work was done on the wing at IAD.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 14):
According to flight trakkers it went back to Copenhagen last night. No work was done on the wing at IAD.

Interesting. It couldn't have been bad then. Did it go with passengers, though?
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 8):
I think that woman that found the part of the engine got pretty rich.

As far as I can recall the reward for finding the fan disk was close to 50,000 USD and the couple donated most of it to charity.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:58 am

good all is ok!!

thank god an A330 has winglets .. otherwise it is just a modern A300 for looks ..
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:02 am

Have you got any evidence whatsoever to back up the dramatic subject line? As already mentioned, most airliners with winglets are certified to fly without one / both of them. There are a large number of photos in the database showing aircraft operating as normal with one missing. For example:


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So it's quite possible that the winglet was missing before the flight even left for IAD. No guarantee that this is the case, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that it 'fell off' inflight.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:19 am

The winglet is not structurally part of the wing. It is simply attached. If it falls or detaches, the wing will not suffer a lot of damage, if any.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:21 am

I don't have any evidence that it fell off inflight but you can see skin damage on the wing.

Yes it left with the pax back to Copenhagen.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 20):
but you can see skin damage on the wing.

Where? What I see looks similar to the photos linked above.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:33 am

You don't see that hanging white/red part?

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 22):
You don't see that hanging white/red part?

You mean a reflection of the engine?

'Cuz I see that, but I don't see any damage...

[Edited 2006-05-21 18:41:10]
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:40 am

Much ado about nothing.

Winglets are aerodynamic enhancements, not required for safe flight. The airline simply made a technical assessment of the condition, verified it struturally sound and secure for flight, and flew it back to be repaired by their own MX.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:48 am

I would like to see you yawn if you got the winglet slicing through your head. Maybe this is not serious for the Aircrafts flying ability's, but it's still a big deal for people on the ground when airplanes start loosing parts.

EDIT: spelling

[Edited 2006-05-21 18:48:43]
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 2:01 am

It looks like a 767 without the winglet
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 2:29 am

It's pretty obvious that the winglet did NOT fall off in flight, there are no pieces of wing skin and all that's visible is the winglet attachment point (green/yellowish part on wing tip mid chord) and some reflections on the underside of the wing. The winglet was probably removed by SAS for inspection/maintenance/repairs.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 16):
As far as I can recall the reward for finding the fan disk was close to 50,000 USD and the couple donated most of it to charity.

Actually, it went up to 500.000 usd, and yes, they gave to charity most of it.

I don't think SAS is even considering giving a dime fot their winglet, anyhow, they'll need a new one.

Quoting Brendows (Reply 9):
That was a totally different setting, the engine-fan she found was a crucial part in the investigation of the accident, this is a small mishap in comparison.

Agree 100%.

Quoting Lindy (Reply 20):
Yes it left with the pax back to Copenhagen

I wonder if anyone onboard even noticed.........
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 3:20 am

Whats the big deal, a aircraft can fly with one or both winglets missing, about 0.5% fuel penaly. This is no news, she probably left with it missing.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 28):
Actually, it went up to 500.000 usd, and yes, they gave to charity most of it.

Agreed, I got confused with the zeroes and the comma.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 25):
Maybe this is not serious for the Aircrafts flying ability's, but it's still a big deal for people on the ground when airplanes start loosing parts.

Again, no evidence that the winglet fell off inflight.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 4:10 am

The Scandinavian picture looks doctored. Did you notice the reflection of the engine underwing both on the forward part of the underwing and then again on the back part of the wing.

It looks weird to me. Plus the flap is reflecting what looks like a forward view of the engine nacelle.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 32):

You're right, these areas do look a bit odd:

http://i4.tinypic.com/10cp8cg.jpg

Although the tip of the wing looks normal.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 33):
You're right, these areas do look a bit odd:

Look at the orange/grey crossover, it are reflections from the engine
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 33):
You're right, these areas do look a bit odd:



Although the tip of the wing looks normal.

Harry

Those are quite clearly reflections from the engines. The 'damage' being refered to earlier is the one at the very edge of the wingtip where the winglet is usually attached to. From what I understand...the winglet was removed somehow either before it departed CPH for IAD or before it departed IAD on its return flight. It is a possible that the winglet fell of on the first flight...but some how I doubt it.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 5:53 am

I don't see what looks so strange about that engine reflections.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:05 am

I concur with junior747 the red areas on the wing are reflections. They seem strange but its angled and the aileron seems to be in an exact postion for a weird looking reflection.

Oh and i don't think the winglet coming off would rip out a bigger piece of the wing. As stated above if it did fall off it would be more problematic to people on the ground.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 34):
Look at the orange/grey crossover, it are reflections from the engine

Also, look where the lighted area has its edge along the engine nacelle. You can follow that up to where the damaged looking part is and its a straight line. Probably too coincidental to be damage.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:22 am

It didn't fall off while inflight, there was a ground accident at CPH some days ago and the mechanics removed the winglet which caused a six hour delay for the departure to IAD.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Harvardman99 (Reply 41):
BIG DEAL..................................................................................

Thank you for your insightful contribution, or are you just trying to boost your post count?

I see now that the reflection cuts off so abruptly is due to the shadow on the nacelle, and plainly see now that it is simple that, a reflection.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 42):
I see now that the reflection cuts off so abruptly is due to the shadow on the nacelle, and plainly see now that it is simple that, a reflection.

Harry

Indeed. Anyone should have been able to see this. And SAS would not have flown pax back to CPH if it was unsafe.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 43):
Indeed. Anyone should have been able to see this. And SAS would not have flown pax back to CPH if it was unsafe.

I wasn't talking about the winglet.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 44):
I wasn't talking about the winglet.

I know that. I know you were talking about the shadow. And I think everyone could have been able to see it is a shadow.. from the sun. Nothing more than that.
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 7:32 am

Hey Rafal,

nice to see that you started a thread about this one...I too was interested as to the source of this unusual sight.

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 32):
The Scandinavian picture looks doctored.



Quoting Newark777 (Reply 33):
You're right, these areas do look a bit odd

Just in case you guys aren't 100% convinced yet that this shot is NOT doctored, I was standing three feet away from Rafal when he took the shots - my shots show exactely the same reflections.  Wink

Quoting Harvardman99 (Reply 41):
BIG DEAL..................................................................................

Alright, if it's such a big deal to you, I'll call up FedEx and have them drop another an engine cover on your house. This is a productive discussion and I think it's safe to assume that your shit of a reply doesn't do anything for me or any other of the participants, so keep your mouth shut man.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 7:47 am

One of our A320's was being pushed back from stand for hangar maintenance, and a catering truck reversed directly towards the wing. The aircraft's winglet went right through the roof of the truck and was torn off.
Although costly for the catering company, it was no big deal. The damage was temporarily patched with speed tape and flew operationally for a few days before a replacement fence was found. I operated one of the flights with the wingtip still missing.

I think we could safely say this photo was "post-event" and not a case of falling off inflight.

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting GTTIB (Reply 47):
The damage was temporarily patched with speed tape and flew operationally for a few days before a replacement fence was found

Am I the only one who feel a little - eh... Reparing outer damage to an aircraft with TAPE? If I were to be on a flight where I could see that the wing had been repaired with tape I'd plainly refuse to go. Somehow my faith in science and the art of engineering is disproportional to the distance I'm above the ground....

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 8:38 am

Last Monday I flew NW SEA-HNL on a 757, as we were boarding many passengers noted the joint of the wing to the fuse was taped over and the tape was fraying. The pilot came on about the time of door closure and explained that it was "speed tape", that it was an approved Boeing and NW procedure, and it was non-structural. He acted like it was pretty common on 757s.

On a side note, NW had great service on this flight and the return, so much better than my experience on US Air last month.
 
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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Abba (Reply 47):
Am I the only one who feel a little - eh... Reparing outer damage to an aircraft with TAPE? If I were to be on a flight where I could see that the wing had been repaired with tape I'd plainly refuse to go.

They do it from time to time. But, it's not like your regular kitchen-tape, if that's a bit more comforting  Wink You can see some pictures of it here:

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RE: SAS 330 Part Of The Wing Fell Off Inflight

Mon May 22, 2006 8:55 am

Thanks for clearing the things up. From the ground it looked dramatic. When I saw the picture I never thought that red/white parts on the wings were engine reflections. To me it looked like ripped part of the skin.

As Omar said, he was there next to me taking pictures + 3 other photographers. Do you think that I have nothing else to do but photoshoping pictures and posting it here?

Alex made it clear that it was damaged on the ground and mechanics removed it.

This thread can be archived now.

Thanks,
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