PavlovsDog
Topic Author
Posts: 534
Joined: Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:28 am

AEP-feasiblility Of A 2nd Runway?

Mon May 22, 2006 3:15 am

I was wondering if the possibility of adding a 2nd runway at AEP, long enough for Intercontinental flights, has ever been discussed. This 2nd runway would have to be parallel to the existing one and located in the River Plate. Such a development would give plenty of space for terminals and other vital infrastructure to make AEP the leading airport in Buenos Aires.

Several massive airports around Asia have shown that such projects are technically feasible if money is no object.

-Clearly airlines and passengers prefer flying into the close-in Aeroparque contra the distant Ezeiza.

- Having split operations has also had a major role in inefficiencies at perpetual loss-making Aerolineas Argentinas and is a PITA for connecting passengers.


I assume the River is very shallow outside the airport and that development would be cheaper than a clean-slate project such as Osaka.

Looking at maps I don't see a runway further out in the river being an issue for any NIMBY's as it doesn't seem that flights would overfly populated areas.

Perhaps landing fees at the new airport could be higher than at Ezeiza which could be kept for use by cargo and low-cost/price airlines and for inevitable future growth.

Some of the funding could come from not spending the money anticipated on upgrading Ezeiza and a new rail connection there.


As an aside, how are developments mentioned in this thread coming along? New Masterplan For EZE - Finally! (by Marambio Jul 4 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2204292
 
LAXintl
Posts: 20183
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: AEP-feasiblility Of A 2nd Runway?

Mon May 22, 2006 3:51 am

As someone that has travelled in Argentina agree that the split airport operation in Buenos Aires operation does cause a hastle, and also agree that AEP is very convenient.

However having said this I cant imagine ever having intercontinental flights from AEP.
Not only is the physical airport property smallish butting up against urban sprawl making for limited potential ramp and terminal space even with your suggested over water runway, but the flight path of traffic is becoming a larger and larger issue for the area around the airport. For instance relatively close industrial areas such as Puerto Madero are becoming fashionable upscale residential areas during these last few years.

If anything, I could at some time in the future (10-20years) see AEP close completely and all traffic operate from EZE.

I'm sure our Argentine members can add more to my comments.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Dario Crusafon - Iberian Spotters
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © TriplET

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
UairFokker
Posts: 106
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:21 am

RE: AEP-feasiblility Of A 2nd Runway?

Mon May 22, 2006 4:28 am

Well, I am not from Argentina but...

Some years ago, during Argentinas economic boom, there actually was a project to make an artificial island on the river (the "aeroisla") to further expand the airport. Howewer, this idea was deemed too expensive and eventually was scrapped.

Laxintl is right, AEPs problem also lies that it is on the city, very near the Buenos Aires center, and it could cause trouble to land a 747 there. It would be like a second Kai Tak (to a lesser extent) and the trend is now to close such airports, not to create them. For domestic and Puente Aereo traffic AEP is just fine.

As laxintl also said, lets see what other argentinean members add to all this "aeroisla" story.

Regards,
 
EZEIZA
Posts: 4421
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:09 am

RE: AEP-feasiblility Of A 2nd Runway?

Mon May 22, 2006 4:46 am

Hi everyone,
AFAIK the "aeroisla" was not only expensive, but it was also disregarded because of the river itself. Apparently the soil under the water is very muddy and weak, and it would be impossible to have such a huge structure on top. With that in mind, it is impossible for AEP to add a 2nd runway, there is no space, and as laxintl mentioned, even it were possible to sqeeze in a runway, there would be nothing left to aupport such an increase in traffic (terminal buildings, for example). However, if I recall correctly, the masterplan includes opening AEP to some (regional) international traffic and having a significative amount of domestic flights (I think it was 17%) go through EZE instead of AEP. So what we might see in the future is SCL-AEP or CGH-AEP.

saludos  Smile
Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
 
SABE
Posts: 146
Joined: Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:19 pm

RE: AEP-feasiblility Of A 2nd Runway?

Mon May 22, 2006 8:32 am

While a 2nd runway is not possible, the existing one will be increased in length in the near future. The neighboring roadways will be 'tunneled' under the runway, as in many large airports around the world.

Does anybody know if this extension project has a starting date yet?
TUS-DFW-EZE... can't wait to visit home again!
 
PHKLM
Posts: 788
Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2005 7:28 pm

RE: AEP-feasiblility Of A 2nd Runway?

Mon May 22, 2006 10:18 am

A taxi from EZE to Buenos Aires (BA) cost AR$ 45 at most, so that's 15U$. After arriving from an intercontinental flight, the taxi ride of 50 mins isn't too much of a problem. And EZE is conveniently situated with regard to noise, whatever runway in use, planes always approach south or west of the center. Although limited in size, AEP caused quite some noise in the Recoleta and Palermo neighbourhoods, although it's amazing to see AR's Super 80's and 737-200's flying over at low altitude. The current situation is just fine and BA already copes with heavy polution, more traffic on AEP would only make things worse.