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Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:49 am

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:53 am

Geeze....

She had flu like symptoms, had been in Africa, and they let her fly?
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:54 am

Thanks for the link....



I studied the Ebola virus during my graduate infectious disease class......the Ebola virus is one of the deadliest virus known to man...85% mortality rate within 1 week!

It's imperative to get the flight list and contact all people (as well as crew on board) ASAP and have them go to the hospital for observations....
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:58 am

Freaky - I can't believe she was cleared to fly. Maybe this'll prompt authorities in other countries to screen for communicable diseases prior to allowing pax to board, much in the same way arriving pax are screened for Avian flu and SARS in Asia.

Best wishes for the other pax and crew members.

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:59 am

Wow, time to review boarding procedures. Scary.  Sad
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 8:19 am

Thats very scary. If I was on that flight I would be freaking out like no tomorrow.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:27 am

Damn I thought that virus didn't exist no more. I remember watching the movie and I got freaked out. I'm really scared of all viruses and deseases and this is surely one of the deadliest ones.

So whatr happened? Did the aircraft and passengers got screened by specialists? That could mean a very harmful situation!

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):

So true, i actually never thought about what the person may have touched or ofcourse what i had touched.

Although, atleast if i were to have a Cold and pass it on then 99.9999999% of the time i wouldn't kill anyone.

And, in this case she could have touched that aircraft and this VS A346 may have to be Disinfected from head to foot. That is a suitable start, afterall. If that aircraft is still flying, think about all of the people that may be carrying the virus.

Quoting 797 (Reply 11):

Well, there is not much for you to worry about. Movies put in the 'worst' possible scenario to make them much more exciting, but if caught early i think Ebola can be treated and there is a massive chance of survival. In the case of this woman, nobody knew what was wrong with her until it was too late.

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 7):
In the case of Ebola, you can only pass it on through the same was as a Cold or Flu or Vomitting. This woman would not have know that this would happen, so she can hardly be called 'Selfish'.

actually that's incorrect...the Ebola virus (like it's cousin the Marburg virus) can be spread easily....granted this woman probably had no idea she was carrying it......and once it hit, it was basically over..

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 8):
And had been to the Ebola capital of the world?

no...Lesotho is not the "Ebola capital of the world"....Zaire, Sudan, Ivory-Coast and Congo are the highest frequency of the Ebola outbreak...

here's a link for those who don't know too much about it..

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/dispages/ebola/qa.htm
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 10:02 am

The Ebola virus is a nasty piece of work, but no need to panic over it. The infectious cycle of the virus ensures that a pandemic is impossible. In the initial stages it is not contagious, so in this case it is nigh impossible that the infected person spread the virus to anyone else aboard the plane and the virus can only be spread through infected bodily fluids. As the disease progresses vomiti and fluids from bodily orifices of the infected person can present a biohazard risk.

Bottom line is that being in a plane with a person experiencing the initial stages of Ebola infection is safe enough. Scary, but safe  Wink

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 14):
The Ebola virus is a nasty piece of work, but no need to panic over it. The infectious cycle of the virus ensures that a pandemic is impossible. In the initial stages it is not contagious, so in this case it is nigh impossible that the infected person spread the virus to anyone else aboard the plane and the virus can only be spread through infected bodily fluids. As the disease progresses vomiti and fluids from bodily orifices of the infected person can present a biohazard risk.

I don't think anyone should be worried about a pandemic, but the people in the plane should be concerned....especially children and the elderly
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
I don't think anyone should be worried about a pandemic, but the people in the plane should be concerned....especially children and the elderly

As I said, no need to worry. In the early stages Ebola is not contagious unless you share a needle with the infected person or share body fluids directly in some other way. So unless the person is vomiting and bleeding from the eyes, mouth and/or anal cavity *on you* you'd be safe from infection.

The woman was vomiting and anyone exposed to that could possibly have been infected *if there was blood in the vomit*, but just sharing the same plane is safe. Asides from the flight attendants who assisted the woman and the people seating immediately next to her no-one could have cought the virus. Even the F/As and the closest passangers are likely to have escaped without infection.

Ebola does not spread like influenza. It must be through infected bodily fluids, such as insterstitial fluid or blood (excluding saliva) and it must enter another person's bodily fluids through direct exposure (such as through a shared needle) or single cellular mucous tissue. An Ebola infected patient in the late stages of the disease sneezing at a person is not going to result in infection automatically. There has to be an exchange in bodily fluids (not saliva) but in the late stages of Ebola infection bleeding out of orifices is a symptom and therefore increases the chance of infection.

Simply put, unless blood from the infected person entered the blood of a non-infected person occurred then no spreading of the virus happened.

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 16):
As I said, no need to worry. In the early stages Ebola is not contagious unless you share a needle with the infected person or share body fluids directly in some other way. So unless the person is vomiting and bleeding from the eyes, mouth and/or anal cavity *on you* you'd be safe from infection.



Quoting Asturias (Reply 16):
bola does not spread like influenza. It must be through infected bodily fluids, such as insterstitial fluid or blood (excluding saliva) and it must enter another person's bodily fluids through direct exposure (such as through a shared needle) or single cellular mucous tissue. An Ebola infected patient in the late stages of the disease sneezing at a person is not going to result in infection automatically. There has to be an exchange in bodily fluids (not saliva) but in the late stages of Ebola infection bleeding out of orifices is a symptom and therefore increases the chance of infection.

that's actually not completely correct....though the usual transmission of the virus is as you stated above, during my graduate infectious diseases class (as well as my other graduate genetics, pharmacology, etc. classes), I had to do an extensive paper on the Ebola virus, and there were reports of the virus spreading via "unconventional" methods....hence, as a prudent measure, the need for everyone on the plane to be checked.....
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:10 am

Condolences to the deceased woman's family.........but honestly its quite frightening. Even though its highly unlikely that ebola will form a pandemic, this incident shows it can still affect small numbers of people VERY FAR from its source.

I hope VS takes a thorough cleaning of its aircraft!!!!
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
that's actually not completely correct....though the usual transmission of the virus is as you stated above, during my graduate infectious diseases class (as well as my other graduate genetics, pharmacology, etc. classes), I had to do an extensive paper on the Ebola virus, and there were reports of the virus spreading via "unconventional" methods....hence, as a prudent measure, the need for everyone on the plane to be checked.....

Of course a prudent measure is certainly for everyone on the plane to be checked, I agree. The unconventional means are, as you know, far less likely so if I was on that plane I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. That woman was in the early stages of infection and Ebola is non-contagious in documented outbreaks in the early stages. Infection and spreading usually occurs in hospitals or shelters where hygene is a rare luxury. I am just adressing the concerns of people who posted above gravely concerned over the safety of the other passengers on the flight.

Hey, nice to see another biologist in these forums. I guess we aviation enthusiasts are found everywhere  Smile

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 19):
. The unconventional means are, as you know, far less likely so if I was on that plane I wouldn't lose any sleep over it

I really wouldn't too much either..but I would probably go to the doctor for a simple check up.....

Quoting Asturias (Reply 19):
That woman was in the early stages of infection and Ebola is non-contagious in documented outbreaks in the early stages.

true.....and lets hope she was in the early stages of Ebola....one can't always trust news sources...

Quoting Asturias (Reply 19):
I am just adressing the concerns of people who posted above gravely concerned over the safety of the other passengers on the flight.

true..there is no need for mass hysteria..but we both know a little bit of prudence goes a long way...

Quoting Asturias (Reply 19):

Hey, nice to see another biologist in these forums. I guess we aviation enthusiasts are found everywhere

couldn't agree with you more..... Smile
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:47 am

I think the most important point here is that we do not know for certain that this was, in fact, Ebola. The news report says NOTHING about serology testing (i.e. testing of the blood, etc.) and simply states that the symptoms match that of Ebola.

How often do you think a West London hospital actually sees Ebola? They probably had to look it up in a textbook.

There isn't just one type of hemorrhagic fever...less dramatic viruses, such as Yellow Fever, also cause people to bleed out. There are also several variants of ebola, like Marburg or Zaire, and it is important to find out which strain it is as the mortality rate differs. Until we get labratory confirmation of the type of virus, this report is nothing more than the media jumping the gun, and it is rediculous to speculate at this point.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 21):
I think the most important point here is that we do not know for certain that this was, in fact, Ebola. The news report says NOTHING about serology testing (i.e. testing of the blood, etc.) and simply states that the symptoms match that of Ebola.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
.one can't always trust news sources...

figured that in............ Smile
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
figured that in

We should have a showing of the movie "Outbreak", Jacob...  Wink
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 16):
The woman was vomiting and anyone exposed to that could possibly have been infected *if there was blood in the vomit*, but just sharing the same plane is safe. Asides from the flight attendants who assisted the woman and the people seating immediately next to her no-one could have cought the virus. Even the F/As and the closest passangers are likely to have escaped without infection.

Are flight attendants taught to treat any bodily fluids as potential biohazards? I know when I was working at an amusenment park we were taught not to handle any bodily fluids without gloves, and to use a strong disinfectant.
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:00 pm

I thought that Ebola was more or less contained to certain very rural areas of certain parts of Africa and that it doesnt get out very often because these areas are so remote.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 24):
Are flight attendants taught to treat any bodily fluids as potential biohazards?

Yes, they are. Cabin crew are also given special kit to clean up soiled material. Also, in the era of avian flu, they may also have been given masks to wear.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 19):
That woman was in the early stages of infection and Ebola is non-contagious in documented outbreaks in the early stages.

I don't know much about Ebola so please don't think I'm trying to question your expertise. Something doesn't sound right though, so I'm hoping you can help me understand. If the woman was violently ill on the aircraft, and is dead a day later, would she have been considered to be in the early stages of infection while on the aircraft? Wouldn't the early stages have been the flu like symptoms back in South Africa?
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 23):
We should have a showing of the movie "Outbreak", Jacob...

I would like to see the reactions of the pax if that is shown on the plane....especially on a flight where it is the only form of entertainment....that would make for some serious entertainment....... Smile
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:12 pm

Let's wait until the results of the post mortem are out. The report, from a tabloid paper harldy reknown for its journalistic expertise, said she presented symptoms of the ebola virus, but that is not a confirmation of the virus. Aches, pains, vomiting and death can be caused by a number of diseases, including common ones like meningitis.

Ebola has traditionally come from equatorial Africa, while Lesotho is in the temperate regions. It is directly linked to viruses in chimpanzees and is suspected to be started when contaminated chimp meat is eat. As far as I am aware, there are no chimps in Lesotho.

While I wouldn't discount Ebola, the story doesn't quite add up quite yet, IMO.
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 27):
don't know much about Ebola so please don't think I'm trying to question your expertise. Something doesn't sound right though, so I'm hoping you can help me understand. If the woman was violently ill on the aircraft, and is dead a day later, would she have been considered to be in the early stages of infection while on the aircraft? Wouldn't the early stages have been the flu like symptoms back in South Africa?

I think you are completely right. The thing that Asturias said is nice, but I think he is wrong. If a pax dies HOURS after leaving the plane, that is 100% NOT early stage. Just think!!
I think we should worry. Every pax on that flight should go to a doctor inmediately.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 27):
If the woman was violently ill on the aircraft, and is dead a day later, would she have been considered to be in the early stages of infection while on the aircraft? Wouldn't the early stages have been the flu like symptoms back in South Africa?

Well spotted. Whether this was Ebola or not remains part of the question. The press has been known to get things wrong, from time to time.  Wink

However, one of the symptoms in the early stages of Ebola is intense fever (at least) 38.8°C, vomiting and diarhea. This is very taxing on the body and can of course lead to death if the person has a weak body, immune-deficiency or dehydrates. Incubation time can be up to three weeks or as short as two days.

The news article leaves a lot of questions un-answered, but if assuming this was a case of Ebola then this person did not seem to show many secondary Ebola symptoms (such as bleeding both internally and externally from any opening in the body, dark or bloody stools and diarrhea, vomiting blood, red eyes from swollen blood vessels, red spots on the skin from subcutaneous bleeding etc.)

Ebola leads to death by organ failure (kidney/liver) or blood loss. I don't know what the F/As saw, but if they saw a person seemingly with flu or a flu-like symptoms vomiting and that person dies the next day it doesn't necessarily indicate Ebola. The necrosis of the organs takes a little longer and when necrosis has started, it is pretty evident it isn't flu. Perhaps she died of fever or dehydration, possibly induced by Ebola infection or possibly by something else. Either way, it doesn't sound like she died from Ebola symptoms. I am of course only going by the information given in the article quoted in the original post. The description of the symptoms of the person who died is very scant. Blood analasys in post-mortem will clear this up.

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
What a selfish b*tch. She didn't give a shit about contaminating the others? If I had those symptoms, I'd know enough not to get on an airplane...regardless of what ONE doctor said.

Mark

Amen. People should just use common sense. I can't imagine how the people on that flight must feel now.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 4:14 pm

Could have been meningitis, yes? High fever, flu-like symptoms, etc. I suppose we'll see. Regardless, everyone on that plane is at risk to contract something!

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 4:56 pm

Read in the article: Her symptoms matched those of the viral haemorraghing fever, ebola. The results of a post mortem are awaited.

So let's wait for now and have the authotities do their job!
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 1):

With that statement about 40% of ZA domestic PAX wouldn't be flying today - middle of winter y'know. Early start of malaria is pretty much the same and we do fly home, real quick!

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 7):

Nicely put DogFighter2111

Quoting Broocy (Reply 29):

And absolutely spot on. The Daily Mirror states "reportedly died" - so take the source (dubious) and time to confirm - I wouldn't be panicking. And thanks to those on the thread who know where the Mountain Kingdom of Lesotho is in relation to the 'normal' origins of Ebola!
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 12):
but if caught early i think Ebola can be treated and there is a massive chance of survival.

Er, that is so wrong. It is nearly impossible to treat Ebola, especially in the early stages when it can't be detected. See the following from Brown University biology page:

Quote:
Due to the fact that there is a rapid onset of infection and a high rate of pathogenicity once the virus starts replicating, there is little time for the generation of an adequate antiviral immune response by the host. Due to the many roadblocks, there are no known treatments to prevent or treat the infection to date. Conventional treatment methods are limited to providing supportive palliative care to the afflicted patients.

http://www.brown.edu/Courses/Bio_160/Projects2004/ebola/txctrl.html

Quoting Asturias (Reply 14):
Bottom line is that being in a plane with a person experiencing the initial stages of Ebola infection is safe enough. Scary, but safe

Are you crazy? See above. Ebola is extremely contagious. The only reason there can be no Ebola pandemic - probably - is that it kills off more than 80% of its infected hosts so quickly hrough uncontrollable internal bleeding that the virus effectively halts its own spread.

Bottom line, in an airliner I would happily give up my First seat to you, then put on a parachute and jump.
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 6:57 pm

I'm confused - this article in the Mirror seems to be the only thing in the media. Nothing on the BBC or the VS web-site etc. etc. Any a.netters with more information?
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I studied the Ebola virus during my graduate infectious disease class......the Ebola virus is one of the deadliest virus known to man...85% mortality rate within 1 week!

Mate its nowhere near 85%, and the incubation period can be a lot longer than a week. Depending on which strain, its anywhere between 20-50% lethal. You studied it - you know this.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 38):
Mate its nowhere near 85%, and the incubation period can be a lot longer than a week. Depending on which strain, its anywhere between 20-50% lethal. You studied it - you know this.

What are you on about? This is like saying a DC10 is a twinjet  Smile

No seriously, you are very incorrect - please talk about what you know. See the following:

Quote:
Ebola is an RNA virus that causes a severe hemorrhagic fever in humans and non-human primates, beginning within a few days of infection, with mortality of 50 to 80% in as little as one week.

Source: http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2001/B/200112031.html

Do you want hard data to show you how many people actually survive infection? It sure isn't as high as you claimed in your post.

Let me give you some examples:

The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported:

2001-2003: Gabo/Congo border region: 313 cases of Ebola, with 264 deaths.

2002: Entsiami Republic (Congo) outbreak: 30 cases, 25 deaths.

2002-3: Mbomo and Kelle, Congo: 143 cases, 128 deaths.

2003: Mbanza and Mbomo, Congo: 35 cases, 29 deaths.

Hardly a death rate of 'only' 25-50% as you claimed.

See: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol11no02/04-0533.htm

Further, the risk on aircraft carrying passengers can be serious. As the Federation of American Scientists stated in 2000:

Quote:
Ebola and Marburg HFs are considered by the CDC to be Category A biological warfare agents, thus posing a risk to national security because they "can be easily disseminated or transmitted from person to person; cause high mortality, with potential for major public health impact; might cause public panic and social disruption; and require special action for public health preparedness" (CDC, 2000, p. 5). Ebola and Marburg HFs are stable as aerosols and very readily transmitted human-to-human.

See: http://www3.baylor.edu/~Charles_Kemp/ebola.htm
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):

My condolences to the woman's family - a truly horrible thing to happen to them. Thanks Jacobin777 for your knowledgeable replies - I know v little about ebola. I'm sure airlines must have procedures for this sort of thing. Would VS have contacted the pax on the flight? The article said that they informed their cabin crew, who were the ones directly dealing with the patient. Lets just hope that no-one else falls ill as a result of this.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):

And I think calling someone who has died a horrible death a selifsh b*tch is a tad insensitive. I'm sure, had she known the risks of flying, she would not have done so.
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 39):

You are talking about a particular strain of the Ebola virus - if you take an average of ALL the occurences, and not just Zaire, the mortality rate is nowhere near as high.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:17 pm

Very strange...this type of story should have caused Fox News to cancel all programming so they could cover the story to the finite detail. Yet, this is the first I've heard of it.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 18):
VERY FAR from its source.

in all fairness to the woman she was flying from JHB having come from Lesotho which is not an epicentre of the Ebola virus - how was she to know that that's what it was - if indeed it was. It could have been anything. I had a relative pass away in Johannesburg from a disease that caused severe hemorrhaging - symptoms similar to Ebola but it wasn't Ebola. to this day the doctors still don't know and they do regular tests on his blood samples to try and determine what it is.

This woman could have had anything.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:49 pm

Virgin have said she didn't have Ebola.
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:56 pm

Fastest way to spread a virus isnt by a door knob..

it's handing money.

A coin can change hands upto 10 times in an hour.

If someone wiped there nose on a tissue and stuffed it into their pocket.. this would do it.

Handling the coins in your hand is even easier.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 10):
Actually, most virii are spread by people coughing into their hands or touching their nasal mucosa or discharge, then touching something like a doorknob, telephone, computer mouse, etc. The next person touches the now-contaminated item, then rubs his eyes or nose.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:58 pm

At the moment they are fearing an ebola outbreak coming from bats in Gabon...

This disease is horrible to die from...


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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 42):
You are talking about a particular strain of the Ebola virus - if you take an average of ALL the occurences, and not just Zaire, the mortality rate is nowhere near as high.

You are right; but EBO-Z is the strain which has affected most people since it first appeared. The other strains, including the Sudan airborne spread strain, have mortality rates usually not less than 50%. Could they be lower? Yes. But not really that low, due to the difficulty of catching the virus when it first becomes symptomatic and the fact that Zaire/Congo etc. doesn't have first class medical care readily available in outbreak areas.

Nonetheless, the risk of spread on an airliner is high. On a longhauler, say 8-14 hours to get to places in EU from Africa, infection could happen. Then flyers would delay going to doctors because a feeling of being ill is often a result of jetlag. By the time it becomes serious, there would be little that can be done by medical professionals - also counting the time it would take for a doctor to correctly diagnose the disease.

Quoting Crewrest (Reply 45):
Virgin have said she didn't have Ebola.

End of discussion!  Smile
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 48):
You are right

Thanks for clearing that up.
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 47):
This disease is horrible to die from...

Dont even tell me! Bleeding from your eyes, nose, ears, mouth, vomiting blood, bloody diarrhea (sp) has to be HORRIBLE. I dont even imagine a death like that! RIP for her and her family.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
What a selfish b*tch. She didn't give a shit about contaminating the others? If I had those symptoms, I'd know enough not to get on an airplane...regardless of what ONE doctor said.

How can you even say that? You have no respect for people who passed away? I know that if she knew she had Ebola she would not fly. And I would like to see you how you cancel your longhaul flight just because of a flu. I sometimes wonder how insensitive people have got.

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Mon May 22, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 50):
How can you even say that? You have no respect for people who passed away? I know that if she knew she had Ebola she would not fly. And I would like to see you how you cancel your longhaul flight just because of a flu. I sometimes wonder how insensitive people have got.

Thank-you! I'm glad at least somebody on here still has feelings. Such a sad case all round. I'm glad that it doesn't seem to have been ebola, and that there have been no reports of anyone else falling ill as a result.
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Tue May 23, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 36):
Are you crazy? See above. Ebola is extremely contagious. The only reason there can be no Ebola pandemic - probably - is that it kills off more than 80% of its infected hosts so quickly hrough uncontrollable internal bleeding that the virus effectively halts its own spread.

No, I am not crazy. I just know what I'm talking about. I get paid to know these things. Ebola is not extremely contagious, especially in the early stages where most indications are that it is non-contagious.

What's with the drama? It is what it is and nothing more. If that woman was Ebola infected (which may not be the case) she could in all possibilities not have infected anyone on the plane because of how Ebola is transmitted. Through infected body fluids *only*. The pathogen is not transmitted airborne or by touch.

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Tue May 23, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
What a selfish b*tch.

Maybe she didn't know..............bit strong to call her a bitch.
 
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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Tue May 23, 2006 12:46 am

A lot of the hysteria around Ebola is because it it is a violent disease, but it spreads so rapidly that one is dead before it has a chance to be transmitted, so outbreaks are generally rare, swift and very localized. Chances of catching it in the early stages are slim.

Also, the fact this was in the Daily Mirror makes one wonder, given their reputation for jouralistic excellence. It seems as if doctors really don't know what it was she had, and that we would have to wait for the autopsy. Even the mere mention of the Ebola virus is enough for everyone to become unglued.

Lastly, Asturias is right. Body aches, sniffles, weakness and other flu symptoms might be Ebola. But it also might be malaria--or more likely just the flu. There's no way to tell in the early stages.

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RE: Ebola Victim On Virgin Atlantic Flight

Tue May 23, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
I studied the Ebola virus during my graduate infectious disease class......the Ebola virus is one of the deadliest virus known to man...85% mortality rate within 1 week!

I took a Microbiology class for my Nursing internship and studied the Ebola virus. I agree with Jacobin777. The passengers and crew should go to the nearest hospital for observation ASAP!! That is a very scary thing.
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