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TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Mon May 22, 2006 11:46 pm

Take a look at the copy on this CO ad regarding the introduction of the B707.

Copy reads: Television in the first class lounge.

Did CO every actually install this or just wishful thinking on their part. Don't know if it's been talked about before, I haven't seen it.



http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...ntal%20Compressed/CO5904insert.jpg
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:09 am

http://www.waea.org/ife.htm

Some quotes -

1961 - First feature film exhibited on a regularly scheduled commercial airline flight (TWA B707) - MGM's BY LOVE POSSESSED, starring Lana Turner and Efrem Zimbalist Jr.

1962 - American & Pan Am install TV monitors in first class on the Lockheed Electra (an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)

1962 - AVID Airline Products develops and manufactures the first pneumatic headset used onboard the airlines and provides them to TWA.

1971 - Trans Com develops the 8mm film cassette. Flight attendants could now change movies inflight and add short subject programming.

1975 - Braniff Airways introduces Atari video games onboard flights.

1996 - Live television premiered on a Delta Air Lines B767 to support the Atlanta Olympics.

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Anyway, there is a photo around of the monitors in the Pan Am 707. They're on the coat rack above the seats. Couldn't find it with a quick Google search unfortunately.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)

No they never did.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:14 am

And the questions begs to be asked? What perks did the "Business Class" cabin offer!
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
And the questions begs to be asked? What perks did the "Business Class" cabin offer!

There was no such thing as Business Class in the 1960s. Business Class came about in the late 1970s.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
And the questions begs to be asked? What perks did the "Business Class" cabin offer!

Don't know, but what ever the question is, New York Air did it first!
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:42 am

Just as a side note, a roundtrip Club Coach seat between ORD and LAX would cost ~ $1140 in 2005 dollars after adjusting for inflation. Not including any applicable taxes or fees.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 3:47 am

I wish there were actual photographs of older IFE systems
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting BandA (Reply 7):
I wish there were actual photographs of older IFE systems

In the book "Classic American Airlines" by Geza Szurovyn, on page 181, there is a photo of passengers watching TV onboard a Fokker F-10 of Western in the 1930s.

In George W. Cearley's book about Western Air Lines, there is the same photo on page 21 with the following text: "The first transmission of a television image to an airplane was achieved on the Western Air Express airliner in June 1932."
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting BandA (Reply 7):
I wish there were actual photographs of older IFE systems

we just have to settle for the woodcarvings and cave paintings from that era.  Wink

If you have ever seen the movie Bullitt there is a scene near the end of the film where Steve McQueen's character catches up with the bad guy who is on a PanAm 707 @ SFO. On board you can clearly see B&W CRTs up in the overhead... part of an early in-flight video system that wasn't kept all that long.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 5:29 am

pretty interesting,

I wonder though were these TV's hooked up to VCR's or just relied on tv channels over the air?
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting BandA (Reply 10):
retty interesting,

I wonder though were these TV's hooked up to VCR's or just relied on tv channels over the air?

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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
Quoting BandA (Reply 10):
retty interesting,

I wonder though were these TV's hooked up to VCR's or just relied on tv channels over the air?



VCR's didn't exist in the early sixties.

TWFirst,

Thats what I was thinking, so I am guessing then these TV's relied on Air signals which almost don't exist now lol... only 2 channels where I live and even those are only if you live close to or within the city.

They must've had stronger TV transmitters back then.

Maybe they used some other device, a VCR's predecessor?

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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):

No they never did.

I tend to disrespectfully disagree. Not quite long ago I saw the monitors in a PA B707 movie [developed at SFO], Sorry can't remember the name.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):

No they never did.

I tend to disrespectfully disagree. Not quite long ago I saw the monitors in a PA B707 movie [developed at SFO], Sorry can't remember the name.

He was talking about The Electra, read the quote!

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
1962 - American & Pan Am install TV monitors in first class on the Lockheed Electra (an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
an aircraft Pan Am didn't have, I don't believe?)

No they never did.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 7:40 am

When I was 12 I flew LAX-HNL on a Pan Am 707 in June 1968. The aircraft had B/W TV monitors in the open overhead racks. They showed the Mary Tyler Moore movie, "What's So Bad About Feeling Good." I belive they used a small telecine systems which allowed film to be coverted to a TV signals and sent to the monitors. The IFE utilies pnumatic audio with about 8-12 channels. No business class but the had a super economy service which provided only beverages but no meal service. The aircraft was equped with the small FC loungfe with the wraparound coauch and an oval table on the left side of the aircraft accross from the galley just in fron tof the FC seats.
 
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
the copy on this CO ad regarding the introduction of the B707

The TV in that ad is way to thin to be a real TV. It's almost as thin as a modern LCD. TV's in 50's had long picture tubes, so the depth of the case would be as long as the width and heigth.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 8:28 am

Does anyone remember the Movie BULLITT with Steve McQueen? It's the one with unforgetable chase with the 68 Mustang fastback after the Dodge Charger and those wild "jump"scenes.
Filmed in San Franciso, it has a 15-20 minute scene at the end at SFO.
Can you remember Steve as Frank Bullitt, in the PAN AM 707 looking for the bad guy...walking slowly down the aisle from F to Y? Remember the TV sets on the hat/coat racks as pointed out in an earlier post?
I can't remember if they were for TV programs or a movie.
I guess this one is worth research.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 10:55 am

FWIW, in 1984 I was flying MEX-IAH on a CO DC-10 (I think it was a series -10).

While on the ground at MEX, we had a two hour delay while already onboard the aircraft and the flight attendants lowered the movie screens and turned the video projectors on, showing a live local TV channel (Mexico City's Channel 2, and the show was the morning talk show "Hoy Mismo").

While not in-flight live TV, it certainly was on-board live TV.

I guess they somehow picked the signal over the aircraft's VHF communications equipment. (The image had quite a lot of interference, BTW)

I'd never seen it before and I've never seen it again.
 
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 11:01 am

How did the flight attendants explain this to the passengers when they asked about it? I am sure quite a few chose CO just for this feature. There must have been some dissapointment from the pax.

Can you imagine the seat pitch on these CO 707's of the time? Ah, you could stretch out!
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting Worldflyer (Reply 18):
The ad states "television in the first class lounge. Cheers!

Yes THE lounge on the plane!
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
1996 - Live television premiered on a Delta Air Lines B767 to support the Atlanta Olympics.



Quoting BandA (Reply 12):
I am guessing then these TV's relied on Air signals which almost don't exist now lol... only 2 channels where I live and even those are only if you live close to or within the city.

Sometime in the late 80's, I'd have to look at old tickets to confirm the exact year, I flew on a UA DC-10 LAX-BOS where in the last half of the flight, they broadcast the Super Bowl on the monitors, picking up the different TV stations along the way. It didn't seem unusual, since the TV antenna at home when I was a kid could pickup stations 75 miles away or so with relative clarity.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
Can you remember Steve as Frank Bullitt, in the PAN AM 707 looking for the bad guy...walking slowly down the aisle from F to Y? Remember the TV sets on the hat/coat racks as pointed out in an earlier post?

I remember that, great flick!
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
VCR's didn't exist in the early sixties.

I respectfully disagree. While VCR's indeed didn't exist, as VCR stands for video cassette recorders, video recorders with tape on reels were available since 1962. That's quite early into the sixties, isn't it?
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 21):
Yes THE lounge on the plane!

Right - got it after I posted it - anyway, checked "Maverick" by Robert Serling and here's what it says:

"Every 707 was equipped with a radio-telephone so a Director of Passenger Service could call ahead for any special passenger service without interrupting flight-crew communications. An extra gimmick was a television set in the first-class lounge, a promotional scheme that never did work out because the jet flew too fast to pick up satisfactory pictures."
 
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
VCR's didn't exist in the early sixties.

Perhaps not the VCR that sits in your home, but I assure they Video Cassette Recorder/Player in fact, did exist in the 1960s . . .

In fact, every television show I saw as a child in Southeast Alaska was played from a Video Cassette - said cassettes flown up from SEA to JNU (On AS or Western) and then on the SGY on a Grumman Goose.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 4:40 pm

Is the blonde supposed to be Marilyn Monroe?
 
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 25):
Is the blonde supposed to be Marilyn Monroe?

I don't think she'd carry a handbag that big.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
Does anyone remember the Movie BULLITT with Steve McQueen

I certainly do, one of the best movies ever! Will have to go back and review that part of the film.
 
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting Worldflyer (Reply 23):
"Every 707 was equipped with a radio-telephone so a Director of Passenger Service could call ahead for any special passenger service without interrupting flight-crew communications. An extra gimmick was a television set in the first-class lounge, a promotional scheme that never did work out because the jet flew too fast to pick up satisfactory pictures."

Thanks World for the answer.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Tue May 23, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 6):
Just as a side note, a roundtrip Club Coach seat between ORD and LAX would cost ~ $1140 in 2005 dollars after adjusting for inflation. Not including any applicable taxes or fees.

No wonder the the airlines survived in business.
 
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Wed May 24, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
1996 - Live television premiered on a Delta Air Lines B767 to support the Atlanta Olympics.

Just curious - how exactly did DL do this?
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Wed May 24, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 26):
I don't think she'd carry a handbag that big.

Probably full of credit cards to pay for excess bags incase she had to fly FR all of a sudden............
 
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Wed May 24, 2006 8:46 pm

KLM Royal Dutch Airlines showed projector films in their Fokker aircraft throughout the 1930's.
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RE: TV On Continental Circa 1950s!

Fri May 26, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting SR100 (Reply 8):
"The first transmission of a television image to an airplane was achieved on the Western Air Express airliner in June 1932."

Flying between SLC and LAS might I add, the old KSL TV/Radio station was it.
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