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CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 3:39 am

NEW YORK, May 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL - News) tomorrow will inaugurate daily nonstop flights between its New York hub at Newark Liberty International Airport and Copenhagen, Denmark. With Copenhagen, Continental now offers transatlantic service to 28 cities in 15 countries.



"Our new Copenhagen service rounds out our Scandinavian network by complementing the existing flights we offer to Oslo and Stockholm," said Jim Summerford, Continental Airlines vice president Europe, Middle East & India. "With our summer 2006 transatlantic expansion complete, we're ready to deliver the industry-leading product that our customers want for their vacation and business travel to Europe."

Service to Copenhagen will be operated by a 172-seat Boeing 757-200 aircraft, carrying 16 passengers in the BusinessFirst cabin and 156 in economy.

Flight CO122 departs New York/Newark daily at 5:35 p.m., arriving at Copenhagen at 7:30 a.m. the following day. The return flight, CO123, departs Copenhagen daily at 9:00 a.m., arriving at New York/Newark at 11:45 a.m. Flying time will be approximately 7 hours 55 minutes eastbound and 8 hours, 45 minutes westbound. During the winter months, when demand traditionally declines, Continental will operate five flights per week on the route, reverting to a daily service in Spring 2007.

The new Copenhagen flights feature Continental's renowned BusinessFirst service. This premium-class cabin is designed with extra-wide electronic sleeper seats with 55-inch/140-cm pitch, adjustable winged headrests and personal video screens. Other BusinessFirst amenities include gourmet menus, award-winning wines and champagnes, and a specially selected and trained corps of more than 200 concierges who provide personalized pre-flight and post- flight services for BusinessFirst customers.

As part of the route launch, Continental is offering a special promotion to its frequent flyers. OnePass members who book and travel to Copenhagen between May 23, 2006 and July 31, 2006 will earn 2,000 bonus miles. This offer requires registration. OnePass members can register for the promotion online at continental.com using promotion code 58019.

Continental Airlines is the world's sixth-largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,200 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 152 domestic and 138 international destinations. More than 400 additional points are served via SkyTeam alliance airlines. With more than 41,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with Continental Express, carries approximately 61 million passengers per year. Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture.

For the third consecutive year, FORTUNE magazine named Continental the No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline on its 2006 list of Most Admired Global Companies. Continental was also named the No. 1 airline on the publication's 2006 America's Most Admired airline industry list. Additionally, Continental again won major awards at the OAG Airline of the Year Awards, including "Best Airline Based in North America" for the third year in a row and "Best Executive/Business Class" for the fourth consecutive year. For more company information, visit continental.com .
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 4:27 am

Look forward to meeting A.netters on this route!!!

Cheers all
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:31 am

Who announced this route first? Delta or Continental?
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 2):
Who announced this route first? Delta or Continental

CO and DL are not on the same route, CO flies from EWR and DL from ATL.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 2):
Who announced this route first? Delta or Continental?

DL announced ATL-CPH first, and then CO announced EWR-CPH a few weeks later, although this is no indication of who came up with the idea of serving CPH first....
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
although this is no indication of who came up with the idea of serving CPH first....

Since CO already served Oslo and Stockhom it was logical their next step would be to open up flights to Copenhagen, DL's only Scandanavian Destination is Copenhagen.

CO has Denmark, Norway and Sweeden covered.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:43 am

What is the full CO europe list now then?

DUBLIN
SHANNON
BELFAST INTERNATIONAL
EDINBURGH
GLASGOW
MANCHESTER
BIRMINGHAM
BRISTOL
LONDON GATWICK
COPENHAGEN
OSLO
STOCKHOLM ARN
BERLIN TXL
HAMBURG
FRANKFURT
COLOGNE
AMSTERDAM
BRUSSELS
PARIS CDG
MADRID
BARCELONA
MADRID
LISBON
ZURICH
GENEVA
MILAN MXP
ROME FCO

Any more? That's quite a list!

Regards

Mike
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 6):

Yep, they just started service to Barcelona a couple weeks back...

BTW, CO has an article about Barcelona in the current magazine that was so well done that I'm considering taking a trip there...

http://magazine.continental.com/0520.../escapes-diversions/been-there.jsp

Edit: CO started Barcelona service only 5 days ago, not weeks

Edit 2: Completely didn't see you had Barcelona listed... d'oh!
[Edited 2006-05-22 22:49:19]

[Edited 2006-05-22 22:49:51]
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
CO and DL are not on the same route, CO flies from EWR and DL from ATL.

*A* CPH route, you know what I mean.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
DL announced ATL-CPH first, and then CO announced EWR-CPH a few weeks later, although this is no indication of who came up with the idea of serving CPH first....

Thank you...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Since CO already served Oslo and Stockhom it was logical their next step would be to open up flights to Copenhagen, DL's only Scandanavian Destination is Copenhagen.

CO has Denmark, Norway and Sweeden covered.

So does this in your eyes, mean the CO is right and DL is wrong?

You have a odd way of saying things.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:36 am

Regardles of who started it first, CPH is a welcome addition to anyones schedule, including ours (Continental). I'll be working the flights for June.

As of May of this year, all but 6 of our 41 757-200s are outfitted with the BusinessFirst seats. So I would gather more destinations next year (2007) with the 757.

I, for one, look forward to all our destinations old and new.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:40 am

EWRCabincrew does CO offer duty free sales on the 757 aircrafts?
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:58 am

(I was baking apple cupcakes...sorry for the delayed response  Smile )

Yes we do.

On our 757 (like our 767-200) flights we have one duty free cart for the round trip. This is opposed to two duty free carts for the round trip on our 767-400s and 777s.

With the exception of Spain (which no longer allows us to sell tobacco products - for an unknown reason) we carry just about everything.

I, for one, as the ISM (International Service Manager) will put away anything aside (providing we carry it) for someone who asks about duty free before I actually open the cart and sell to BusinessFirst. This includes those with seat assignments in the back.

This way you can get your selection.

A bit off topic, I know. Sorry

[Edited 2006-05-23 00:00:39]
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 7:01 am

I am so pleased that CO is now flying EWR-CPH. I fly to New York 2-3 times a year and with CO around, SAS is forced to better their product and prices. It'll also be interesting to see how SAS reacts now that they have direct competition in all three major Scandinavian airports.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Himmelstormer (Reply 12):
It'll also be interesting to see how SAS reacts now that they have direct competition in all three major Scandinavian airports.

We have been waiting too. Ever since SAS pulled out of EWR-OSL, we have taken the route well. I have heard rumors of SAS utilising Icelandairs 757s for the route...sort of a wet-lease thing, but nothing has come of it. As with EWR-ARN, no noticable changes to SASs schedule or capacity.

I believe its a win-win situation for both carriers. Scandinavians now have a wider choice to North America from, at least, OSL, ARN and CPH, whether it be on us, DL or anyone else.

One thing we have in our favor is an aircraft that is economical to use in which we fly the route. (regardless of who has what opinion about flying single aisle aircraft across the Atlantic)
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 8:37 am

So they do not restock the duty free in Europe!
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 9:11 am

Correct.

Our duty free comes from a warehouse at JFK. No restocking of duty free stores anywhere overseas.

Catering, yes. Duty Free, no.

Hope this helps.

BTW...ask away any time..I just hope I can answer correctly. If not, at least direct you to the where you can find the answer.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 9:20 am

So if you see something you really want,

A. Buy it outbound to be assured.
B. Hope for a 767 or 777 that has a cart for each direction.

How do the duty free sales rank for revenue? Certain flights bring in more than others?
And do the staff working the flights get a commission on sales.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 9:22 am

Could the next-in-line destinations for CO in the Nordic Countries be GOT and HEL ?
IMHO, HEL maybe able to sustain a year-around EWR flight, even if 4 weekly in the winter; For GOT, a seasonal 4 weekly summertime EWR flight might be enough.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 10:12 am

There are a lot big urban areas in Europe. Of course capital cities are usually better destinations than similar sized non-capital cities. Here is one list of big urban ares in European Union :

City Country Urban Area Population


Koln-Ruhr Area Germany 11,297,800
Paris France 11,293,200
London Uniked Kingdom 11,230,500
Madrid Spain 5,078,100
Milan (Milano) Italy 4,051,500
Berlin Germany 3,942,600
Barcelona Spain 3,871,400
Liverpool Uniked Kingdom 3,630,100
Napoli Italy 3,620,300
Rome Italy 3,552,600
Hamburg Germany 3,260,700
Athens Greece 3,216,200
Birmingham Uniked Kingdom 3,202,800
Frankfurt Germany 2,717,800
Katowice Poland 2,657,100
Lisbon [Lisboa] Portugal 2,612,300
Budapest Hungary 2,598,300
Munich Germany 2,341,700
Stuttgart Germany 2,330,300
Warszawa Poland 2,202,000
Vienna (Wien) Austria 2,038,200
Brussels Belgium 1,740,300
Lille France 1,727,500
Lyon France 1,665,700
Stockholm Sweden 1,621,700
Torino Italy 1,617,600
Amsterdam Netherlands 1,536,300
Marseille France 1,532,400
Leeds Uniked Kingdom 1,498,500
Mannheim Germany 1,456,000
Bielefeld Germany 1,419,000
Leipzig Germany 1,417,600
Valencia Spain 1,406,600
Prague Czech Republic 1,379,200
Malmo Sweden 1,340,000
Aachen Germany 1,238,600
Porto Portugal 1,210,700
Sofia Bulgaria 1,187,200
Newcastle upon Tyne Uniked Kingdom 1,147,200
Helsinki Finland 1,147,000
Sevilla Spain 1,135,600
Rotterdam Netherlands 1,133,200
Hannover Germany 1,106,100
Sheffield Uniked Kingdom 1,104,900
Copenhagen Denmark 1,096,100
Glasgow Uniked Kingdom 1,086,200
Chemnitz Germany 1,081,800
Dresden Germany 1,030,800
Lodz Poland 1,013,300
Bremen Germany 1,008,900
Nurnberg Germany 1,008,500

This list is based on following list:
http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/European_cities.htm

Helsinki looks quite possible because it is larger urban area than Oslo or Copenhagen.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):
I, for one, look forward to all our destinations old and new.

Have fun in CPH!! I for one was very disappointed when AC pulled out. It's a great city to layover in. Hopefully, we'll return one day.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:23 pm

Quoting Rottamo (Reply 18):
Copenhagen Denmark 1,096,100

Totally not right! It's like 1.8 million or something in the city.

Quoting Rottamo (Reply 18):
Malmo Sweden 1,340,000

Malmo has like 300 000 people, and if it is 1.3 they've counted the whole southern sweden, and in that case, Cophenhagen should have well over 2... Very wierd list.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 17):
Could the next-in-line destinations for CO in the Nordic Countries be GOT and HEL ?
IMHO, HEL maybe able to sustain a year-around EWR flight, even if 4 weekly in the winter; For GOT, a seasonal 4 weekly summertime EWR flight might be enough.

I've thought about this alot to. Agree with you, HEL could have daily, and GOT would fill a 3/4 weekly flight.
(about 500 000 people in city, and 1.5 in western sweden who all use this airport, and if ARN can fill more than 15 weekly flights plus other american flights (PHL), then those 3/4 should work)

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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 20):
Quoting Rottamo (Reply 18):
Copenhagen Denmark 1,096,100

Totally not right! It's like 1.8 million or something in the city.

Quoting Rottamo (Reply 18):
Malmo Sweden 1,340,000

Malmo has like 300 000 people, and if it is 1.3 they've counted the whole southern sweden, and in that case, Cophenhagen should have well over 2... Very wierd list

I think Rottamo meant the Metropolitan area are of these cities.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 5:55 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 20):

I've thought about this alot to. Agree with you, HEL could have daily, and GOT would fill a 3/4 weekly flight.
(about 500 000 people in city, and 1.5 in western sweden who all use this airport, and if ARN can fill more than 15 weekly flights plus other american flights (PHL), then those 3/4 should work)

//Alex

HEL has been on CO''s short list for a few years; at one point a EWR-XXX-HEL flight was considered, via another Scandic city, but that idea was dropped.....pax (especially those that are paying premium fares) do not like flights that dont operate nonstop, especially when flying to a hub and many are making further connections. My guess is that CO will launch an EWR-HEL nonstop with daily 752 service in the summer, 5 times per week in the winter (this formula seems to be working for them)......it could happen as early as next summer.

As for CO's further European expansion, the rumors continue to support Vienna (if CO is comfortable pushing the 752 on this route), Moscow (if the schedules could be adjusted to free up a 762), Prague (again,the 752 issue), Newcastle (why not? its been talked about for 3 years already), a return to Munich (seems unlikely to me, but who knows?), service to another regional German airport (its gotta be STR, CO said its not going back to DUS, so what remains?) and service to a regional airport in France (if CO's stragegy of serving smaller cities in Germany and the UK has worked, why not France?).

As for GOT, I have never heard that city mentioned......if the route cannot support a daily 752 in the summer season, its unlikely that CO will consider it.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:08 pm

Good Luck CO.

Next I hope they start expansion to Asia. We are waiting for a little more competition to North America.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting Rottamo (Reply 18):
Amsterdam Netherlands 1,536,300

The total size of the direct urban area Amsterdam serves (the so called 'Randstad') is way larger, about 5 million. The number of people who use Schiphol as their home base airport is even larger, over 10 million people.

But that's a bit off topic  Smile

Great to see CO expanding in Europe. Hope to see them sometime in DUS, should be a matter of time if you ask me.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting A319114 (Reply 24):
Hope to see them sometime in DUS, should be a matter of time if you ask me.

CO served DUS until 10/2001 and has stated that they have no plans to return to that city. CO now serves nearby CGN.

DUS already has LH/Privatair flights to EWR......the premium pax (many loyal LH FFs) are well covered in that market.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:21 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Since CO already served Oslo and Stockhom it was logical their next step would be to open up flights to Copenhagen, DL's only Scandanavian Destination is Copenhagen.

CO has Denmark, Norway and Sweeden covered.

Looks like DL has it covered as well by using CO thru Skyteam.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 6:30 pm

My sis is actually flying in on that flight in end June Big grin

Looking forward to seeing COA here and her as well, very curious as to how the feel of the B757 is on trans Atlantic flights...?

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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 10:04 pm

WOHOO!! Big grin Can't wait to see it landing here at CPH!! We already have Delta back here, and now CO is coming too! Great news for spotters, bad news for SAS Big grin
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Tue May 23, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 20):
Totally not right! It's like 1.8 million or something in the city.

OK. I know about this topic too much. Few facts.

1. There are many definitions for metropolitan area. These definitions are different in different countries.
2. It is very difficult to produce reliable list for EU because national differences in classification of urban areas. Basically some countries don’t include whole urban area to their definition of metropolitan area so population number is too small. I know that Greater Helsinki area has about 1.2 million inhabitants and I have been told several times that London has about 12 million inhabitants. I guess that these two numbers are correct in list above.
I don't know about other numbers. That's why I say "one list". There are others and they are different.
3. In United States situation is easier because they have Metropolitan statistical area which is quite good definition.

But I guess that list above is better than nothing and can give some clue what we can expect in the future.

Also population is not everything. There are many big urban areas in Russia or Eastern Europe, but because these regions are relatively poor right now it is unrealistically to expect that Continental or Delta would start direct flights from United States to these cities.

Yours,

Rottamo

[Edited 2006-05-23 16:48:26]
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 12:38 am

What suprises me is that the Ruhr metro area seems very underserved as far as non-stop overseas service. What's the issue here? It seems like DUS is a natural airport for this demand.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 12:47 am

What about these cities for CO expansion?

Aberdeen
Newcastle
London Stansted
Cardiff
Cork
Luxembourg
Lyon
Nice
Marseille
Porto
Valencia
Malaga
Palma
Tenerife
Las Palmas
Venice
Naples
Bologna
Vienna
Stuttgart
Hanover
Prague
Budapest
Athens
Istanbul
Moscow
Gothenburg
Helsinki
St Petersburg
Warsaw
Reyjkavik

There must be a market for at least some of these places?

Regards

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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 30):
It seems like DUS is a natural airport for this demand.

Here is Deltas this summer expansion:

Between And Starts
Amsterdam, Netherlands Cincinnati, OH March 1, 2006
Athens, Greece Atlanta, GA May 29, 2006
Barcelona, Spain Atlanta, GA May 1, 2006
Budapest, Hungary New York (JFK) May 8, 2006
Copenhagen, Denmark Atlanta, GA May 1, 2006
Dublin, Ireland New York (JFK) May 15, 2006
D�sseldorf, Germany Atlanta, GA April 3, 2006
Edinburgh, Scotland Atlanta, GA June 5, 2006
Kiev, Ukraine New York (JFK) June 1, 2006
Manchester, England New York (JFK) May 15, 2006
Nice, France Atlanta, GA May 9, 2006
Rome, Italy Cincinnati, OH March 1, 2006
Shannon, Ireland New York (JFK) May 15, 2006
Venice, Italy Atlanta, GA June 6, 2006

So they are trying these. They are also flying to Istanbul.

Quite many of these routes are thin so they are not able to support very many carriers.

If continental opens 2-3 new destinations per year we will see about 20 new destinations during next ten years which sounds quite much.

On the other hand, demand for air travel increases every year so there are routes that are not possible now but might be possible during next ten years.

Probably we will see many of the destinations of HUYfan's list being tried by some US carriers in the future.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 2:06 am

I wonder how this is effecting the European airlines having all these point to point flight being initiated from the US? So far you haven't seen an expansion of this type of service from their side of the Atlantic so much so.

Points like BFS/BRS/KBP/CGN that's all coming out of some European airline's pocket book.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 2:17 am

I think using a 757 on a trans-atlantic flight is a horrendous idea!  Angry The plane is too small for people to endure such a long flight. The exact reason why I never flew BMI or Icelandair. I think it should at least be upgraded to a 767.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 2:24 am

For the most part these 757s are the sole service in the market. Really would you rather connect to Bristol rather than fly non-stop?

Not me. Give me the non-stop. Same seat. Only the percieved "spaciousness" of the 757 is less.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 2:25 am

Not to bring up the old question of whether 757's are suited to fly across the pond...BUT this past weekend my family and I looked over 4 or 5 different options for how to get to CPH from the east coast. this would have been one we considered, but my mom refuses to fly on a 757 across the pond. she says she hates 757's even though she likes 737s. her ignorance was further compounded when she asked whether a 747 was bigger than a '57. I hope youre all laughing.

But really, Are the international CO 757's configured with a three class interior? Is CO offering any special promotions to non frequent flyer club members?

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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 34):
I think using a 757 on a trans-atlantic flight is a horrendous idea! The plane is too small for people to endure such a long flight. The exact reason why I never flew BMI or Icelandair. I think it should at least be upgraded to a 767.

It can be horrendous but without it, cities such as
BFS/BRS/OSL/LIS/CGN/HAM would not have nonstop service to the US.

The 757 can be seen as a throw back to the DC-8, 707.

Quoting EFCar98 (Reply 36):
But really, Are the international CO 757's configured with a three class interior? Is CO offering any special promotions to non frequent flyer club members?

Our 757-200s are configured either with a 16/156 or 16/159 arrangement. Ultimately all 757-22s will be configured to 16/159. With regards to CO promotions...look at www.continental.com for insight. Worse case scenario...join OnePass and try then.

Good luck and maybe I will be working your flight.

Hope this helps
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 31):
What about these cities for CO expansion?

Aberdeen
Newcastle
London Stansted
Cardiff
Cork
Luxembourg
Lyon
Nice
Marseille
Porto
Valencia
Malaga
Palma
Tenerife
Las Palmas
Venice
Naples
Bologna
Vienna
Stuttgart
Hanover
Prague
Budapest
Athens
Istanbul
Moscow
Gothenburg
Helsinki
St Petersburg
Warsaw
Reyjkavik

Regards

Mike

Aberdeen - market too small to support a daily 752 (and, no, CO is not going to send 737NGs accross the Atlantic.)
Newcastle - been studied and on the list for years, but has not happened, CO wants a better deal from NCL airport.
Stansted - CO flew to STN until 10/2001.....route did better than expected; CO now concentrates on LGW while hoping some day soon to get into Heathrow.
Cardiff - maybe, but a long shot.
Cork - no market.
Luxembourg - nice place, no market.
Lyon - maybe, CO is thinking about French regional airports, what worked in Germany and the UK may just work in France.
Marseille - same.
Nice - same.
Porto - no market.
Valencia - no market.
Malaga, Palma, Tenerife, Las Palmas - no market, low yeilds, Americans dont go their for their vacations.
Venice - maybe, depends if the 752 has the legs.
Naples - market too small, cant do the 752 thing due to range, thus not happening.
Bologna - same.
Vienna - on the short list - CO wants to use a 752 (of course) - CO is still studying if they can push the range on the aircraft for this route.
Stuttgart - likely in the future, 752.
Prague - likely in the future, 752 could be a problem here.
Budapest - maybe sometime in the future, but not yet.
Athens - no authority - Delta is the US carrier to Greece - no open skies here. If that were to change, EWR-ATH with a 762 would be added quickly.
Istanbul - Turkish has this market covered, not likely.
Moscow - CO has authority and delayed launch - would be a 762 service - probably next year.
Gothenberg - probably not, never heard the city mentioned.
Helsinki - likely in the future, 752.
St Petersburg - not likely.
Warsaw - not likely.
Reykavik - small market, leave it to Icelandair.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 3:09 am

Dutchjet,

We have rumors of us going back to STN. Have also heard rumors of NCL, REK, LBA and NCE for starters.

Crews like STN as it was a quiet layover. Wish we could get it back.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
Valencia - no market.
Malaga, Palma, Tenerife, Las Palmas - no market, low yeilds, Americans dont go their for their vacations.

I would think this was CO mentality before they tried flying to the UK with B757. I partly agree that PMI, TFS and LPA most likely wouldn't work for CO but as for AGP, Southern Spaniards will love to fly to Northamerica via EWR and not via MAD plus a U.S. airport. How many millions live 200Km around Málaga?
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 39):
Dutchjet,

We have rumors of us going back to STN. Have also heard rumors of NCL, REK, LBA and NCE for starters.

Crews like STN as it was a quiet layover. Wish we could get it back.

Businesses with offices near STN approached CO to re-start the STN service, CO was looking for some guarantees as ticket purchases, especially in the Biz First Cabin, and the discussions went no where. STN was a nice experiment a few years ago, but with LHR access a hot topic and possibility (even if a remote one), CO is not going back to STN at this time and will stay at LGW and keep hoping for LHR. If CO does get some LHR access, in all likelihood, it will be limited with not enough slots for all of its flights into London......thus ops will be split between LGW and LHR, CO is not going for a three way split with flights into LGW, STN, and LHR.

LBA goes with NCL......lots of talk, no action: CO will everntually get into one of those airports to cover the NE of England, a region of the UK where CO still does not have service.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 40):

I would think this was CO mentality before they tried flying to the UK with B757. I partly agree that PMI, TFS and LPA most likely wouldn't work for CO but as for AGP, Southern Spaniards will love to fly to Northamerica via EWR and not via MAD plus a U.S. airport. How many millions live 200Km around Málaga?

I hear you.....CO has thought outside of the box and looked at smaller cities, but most of those smaller cities have more industry and business traffic than Malaga. With respect to Malaga, demand probably exists (in both directions) but the issue would be yeilds.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
Aberdeen - market too small to support a daily 752 (and, no, CO is not going to send 737NGs accross the Atlantic.)

I take it yiou dont think CO would ever launch IAH-ABZ then. (ABZ is hoping for such a service in the future)

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
Porto - no market.

TAP seem to think there is a market. Three times a week flights start this summer
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 23):
Good Luck CO.

Next I hope they start expansion to Asia. We are waiting for a little more competition to North America.

When CO takes delivery of their 787s expect alot of new Asian/Pacific flights.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 34):
I think using a 757 on a trans-atlantic flight is a horrendous idea!

CO has been flying 757s across the Pond for 10 years, obviously they have had success, AA, BA, TWA, CO all have flown 757s across the Pond.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
Porto - no market.

Tap is flying EWR-Porto this Summer, New Jersey has a huge Portugese Population (largest in the US). The Center of the Portugese community is the Iron Bound section of Newark, excellent restaraunts!

Here's my take:

Newark-

Aberdeen 757 (oil market is the driving force, easiest way to connect Houston to Aberdeen).

Basel757 (New Jersey and Switzerland are the Pharmeceutical capitals, Basel Based companies like Novartis and Roche employ thousands in NJ where both Companies have their North American Headquarters) Swiss Air used to fly nonstop between EWR and Basel, I put this route high on CO's list.

Rotterdam 757 (heard rumors CO was trying to get approval to fly into Rotterdam, connects two huge Ports)

Prague 757
Stuttgart 757
Newcastle 757
Vienna 757 or 767-200
Warsaw 767-200
Lyon 757
Marseille 757
Helsinki 757
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 41):
Businesses with offices near STN approached CO to re-start the STN service, CO was looking for some guarantees as ticket purchases, especially in the Biz First Cabin, and the discussions went no where. STN was a nice experiment a few years ago, but with LHR access a hot topic and possibility (even if a remote one), CO is not going back to STN at this time and will stay at LGW and keep hoping for LHR. If CO does get some LHR access, in all likelihood, it will be limited with not enough slots for all of its flights into London......thus ops will be split between LGW and LHR, CO is not going for a three way split with flights into LGW, STN, and LHR.

You have great insight, Dutchjet. You work in the industry? Very well put. Just be on the look out in Oct/Nov/Dec for new route info. Usually happens then.

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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):
is flying EWR-Porto this Summer, New Jersey has a huge Portugese Population (largest in the US). The Center of the Portugese community is the Iron Bound section of Newark, excellent restaraunts!

I did not consider the Portugal connection to EWR.......good catch, however, yields on an EWR-Porto are the big question. The reason that CO never upgraded the LIS service to 767 service was never lack of demand, its the inability to sell the biz first cabin. Lets see if TAP can maintain the Porto route.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):
Aberdeen 757 (oil market is the driving force, easiest way to connect Houston to Aberdeen).

You point is valid, but I keep hearing "no way".........time will tell.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):
Rotterdam 757 (heard rumors CO was trying to get approval to fly into Rotterdam, connects two huge Ports)

No approval, no flight, too bad. Would have been an interesting niche market.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):
Basel757

CO did not land the contracts, seems that one of the drug giants will run its own BBJ shuttle between the pharma capitals.


And, I agree with the rest of you list....lets see what in which order the cities are announced.
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 19):

I've thought about this alot to. Agree with you, HEL could have daily, and GOT would fill a 3/4 weekly flight.
(about 500 000 people in city, and 1.5 in western sweden who all use this airport, and if ARN can fill more than 15 weekly flights plus other american flights (PHL), then those 3/4 should work)

//Alex

Funny, this hasn't really been any topic in HEL and I think it should, HEL need more connections to US -tough Finnair complains it is such a bad business to fly there. I really wish there will come some other route news from HEL, not just ASIA... Welcome CO!
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 45):
CO did not land the contracts, seems that one of the drug giants will run its own BBJ shuttle between the pharma capitals.

If this is the case, do you think this will dramatically effect the profability of the flight to ZRH or GVA? Will they possibly close one of these stations or use the 757?

Any insight?
 
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 47):
If this is the case, do you think this will dramatically effect the profability of the flight to ZRH or GVA? Will they possibly close one of these stations or use the 757?

They were negotiating to get contracts to open a flight to Basel, it has no effect on Geneva or Zurich.
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RE: CO Starts Copenhagen

Wed May 24, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 48):
They were negotiating to get contracts to open a flight to Basel, it has no effect on Geneva or Zurich.

I understand that. But if the pharmaceutical corps. are starting their own BBJ service then the pharmaceutical reps. who take CO's flight to ZRH who take the train up to Basel from there will obviously not ride on CO anymore thanks to this new service...

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