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AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 6:36 am

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 6:46 am

Shame WLG and CHC aren't A380 ready for the Super 14 final traffic this weekend. Sad
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 8:44 am

AKL needs to be only because of EK's Australian ops.

And while it's something to get excited about, remember that it's not the first airport in the region to be A380 ready.

IIRC, Melbourne was A380 ready about 6 months ago...
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
And while it's something to get excited about, remember that it's not the first airport in the region to be A380 ready.

IIRC, Melbourne was A380 ready about 6 months ago...

Christchurch was also at least 6 months ago as well
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 3):
Christchurch was also at least 6 months ago as well

Yeah! Go CHC!
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting Broocy (Reply 1):
Shame WLG and CHC aren't A380 ready for the Super 14 final traffic this weekend.

Can Wellington even handle a 767 or 777? The closest that city will ever get to seeing the A380 is looking at it while it flies over at 30,000ft.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
AKL needs to be only because of EK's Australian ops.

Those EK flights are important. Afterall isn't Emirates the 3rd biggest carrier to New Zealand? It is good that AKL will be read for the A380s.
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 10:55 am

What gate will they be using? Or will they be remote-standed?
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 1:21 pm

So could we see EK's 380's in CHC? That would be so awesome! Any other airlines going to fly 380's to NZ
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Can Wellington even handle a 767 or 777? The closest that city will ever get to seeing the A380 is looking at it while it flies over at 30,000ft.

WLG can handle the 767 and 777.

The comment about being A380 was a joke that us lot who follow the rugby Super 14 will understand.... Go the 'Canes!
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 2:45 pm

TV3 are reporting (yes I know I know) that the A380 will make a visit here later this year. Anyone know anything about that?

They also report that currently the A380 will fit on the end of the current terminal.

http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/tabid/67/articleID/8343/Default.aspx

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting Broocy (Reply 1):
Shame WLG and CHC aren't A380 ready for the Super 14 final traffic this weekend

That reminds me, Whats NZ, QF and QO doing about extra flights or bigger aircraft?

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 3):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
And while it's something to get excited about, remember that it's not the first airport in the region to be A380 ready.

IIRC, Melbourne was A380 ready about 6 months ago...

Christchurch was also at least 6 months ago as well

Wasn't CHC ready before MEL?

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting Broocy (Reply 1):
Shame WLG and CHC aren't A380 ready for the Super 14 final traffic this weekend.

Can Wellington even handle a 767 or 777?

Yes WLG can handle B777s. In 2001 a BA B772ER landed and stayed for about 3 days. B767s use to operate daily into WLG in the early 90s, and still gets QF B767s on scheduled flights

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
AKL needs to be only because of EK's Australian ops.

Those EK flights are important. Afterall isn't Emirates the 3rd biggest carrier to New Zealand?

Yes EK is NZs 3rd largest airline
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 3):
Christchurch was also at least 6 months ago as well

This is what I also thought... so why is the nation's media reporting that AKL is the first to be ready?
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 3:17 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 6):
What gate will they be using? Or will they be remote-standed?

http://www.auckland-airport.co.nz/NewsHistory/PDF/The_A380.pdf

Gates 9 and 10, currently. I also believe that 2, possibly more, will be available on the new half-pier.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 9):
TV3 are reporting (yes I know I know) that the A380 will make a visit here later this year.

It would be an experience not to miss! I don't really see why they would want to send it half way around the world again when NZ hasn't ordered any and doesn't intend to.
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 3:18 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
From this mornings Herald

If you look at the article, very little of this work was actually undertaken specifically for the A380. It was a general upgrade/repair.

Quote: "Work on widening and lengthening the main runway was finished this week in a programme which began 15 years ago." Well before there was an A380 project!

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 3:23 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 9):
TV3 are reporting (yes I know I know) that the A380 will make a visit here later this year. Anyone know anything about that?

Roumer has it that SQ will bring it in on a one a once off basis to test AKL's capability of the 380 for its flights. I heard that p[aticular flight will be a SQ285/286.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 3:23 pm

What was done in CHC to bring it up to this state of readiness? CHC is an important gateway but I'd be surprised if they spent money on double decker airbridges.

I guess the runway was wide enough already?
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 9):
TV3 are reporting (yes I know I know) that the A380 will make a visit here later this year. Anyone know anything about that?

Thats in 2007
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 3:36 pm

As for CH, I think you will fing that they are half ready, its either the runway or terminal that is ready only 1 ot the other.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
So could we see EK's 380's in CHC? That would be so awesome! Any other airlines going to fly 380's to NZ

I don't no about EK sending them to CHC. QF will likely send a few to AKL when they take delivery before starting long haul, SQ may in future and then maybe MH and KE in the NZ summer.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 4:10 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
As for CH, I think you will fing that they are half ready, its either the runway or terminal that is ready only 1 ot the other.

I think they just finished terminal upgrade last year which has an A380 capable gate but not double deck bridges. I don't think CHC will be a regular A380 route so extra expense isn't needed. I think they runway is sweet for the A380.

http://www.christchurch-airport.co.n.../content/library/Summer_Season.pdf
The airport is well positioned to cater for this growth with the new $20 million expansion
project now operational. The additional aircraft gates provide the flexibility to accommodate
up to B773, A346 and A380 aircraft while increasing the operational area by approximately
4,000 square metres. Work on the final touches to the project will be completed in time for
the peak summer period.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Yes EK is NZs 3rd largest airline

How close is SQ to this? #4?

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 4:11 pm

Correct me i am wrong but dont the media have it wrong. Hasnt the runway been ready since last year. But recently havent they been doing something for the
CAT lll Autoland on 23L?? I know it is a year or so away but that it what heard.
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 4:19 pm

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting NZAA (Reply 19):
Hasnt the runway been ready since last year.

Last year they widened over half of the main runway. This year they finished the job off. So, technically it has only just been ready.
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 7:23 pm

I don't think CHC has widened the runway has it?! Doesn't it have to be 60m wide to accomodate regular A380 service and also widen the turning bays? I don't think CHC can handle regular service yet but they could send a test aircraft down there.

Quoting NZAA (Reply 19):
Correct me i am wrong but dont the media have it wrong. Hasnt the runway been ready since last year. But recently havent they been doing something for the
CAT lll Autoland on 23L?? I know it is a year or so away but that it what heard.

CAT lll Autoland? AKL airport press release says the A380 could have not will have the same impact as the 747 did in the 1970's. They were widening and relaying the runway this year aswell like the last few years!
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 8:06 pm

It is said that AKL main runway has been lengthened to today 11,926ft/3635m. I seem to remember that its previous length was something like 10,500ft/3200m. Can anyone confirm or correct this info ?

Thanks.

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 11:01 pm

Auckland has had a 3635m runway for at least the last five years (2001 New Zealand VFR guide from my collection). Christchurch has 3288m (02/20) and 1745m (11/29). AKL and CHC are really the only long haul airports in the country, the next five - HLZ, WLG, PMR, DUD & ZQN are 1960m, 1936m, 1902m, 1900m, and 1891m respectively.

As for 4th biggest carrier it is indeed SQ.

SQ flies SIN - AKL 5x weekly with a 777-200 and 7x weekly with a 747-400 They fly SIN - CHC 7x weekly with a 777-200.

The fifth one surprised me a little.
Air Pacific flies from NAN to AKL 11x per week, 6x 737-800, 2x 737-700, 2x 767-300, 1x 747-400. They also fly SUV - AKL twice weekly with a 737-800, and twice weekly NAN - CHC with a 737-700 and a 737-800.
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 11:10 pm

If I remember correctly, an recent article in a British aviation magazine about airports said they are upgrading AKL to handle the A380-800, mostly because they anticipate EK and possibly QF flying to AKL by 2009.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Tue May 23, 2006 11:58 pm

Yes WLG can handle B777s. In 2001 a BA B772ER landed and stayed for about 3 days


Any truth it was there 3 days so they could strip everything out of it so it'd be light enough to be able to get out again !!

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 12:19 am

Thanks Nz8800 for your answer. But I had in mind was something from the beginning of the 1990s. Then, Ian Allan published a pocket sized book named "ABC World Airports" or something like that. In that book were reported many worlds airports details and numbers regarding their operations, trafic and so on. And it must in that book that I've read what I said earlier. So if anybody still has this book, he or she could provide the answer.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Can Wellington even handle a 767 or 777?

Without any doubt. It has already handled B747s...


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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 22):
! Doesn't it have to be 60m wide to accomodate regular A380 service and also widen the turning bays?

No! The A380 will, according to Airbus be certified to use any airport the B744 uses. With 45m runways there are issues, as the outboard engines over hang and are, I presume, more exposed to FOD. Extending to 60m avoids these issues. Indivual airports could have other issues.

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 8:41 am

For the sake of all that travel in and out of AKL on the A380, I hope that the facilities inside the terminal are revamped and upgraded.
Some times the lines to pay check in, pay your taxes, immigration and quarantine are endless to say the least!

I realise that work is taking place at the moment, but will they all be good enough to handle such an increase in passengers?
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 29):
I realise that work is taking place at the moment, but will they all be good enough to handle such an increase in passengers?

It's very incremental, at best. AIAL is exceedingly tight with naything involving capital expenditure and will milk the current facilities for all they have until it absolutely essential to expand facilities. So essentially, passengers be damned until negative marginal returns kick in. Unless some kind of political pressure gets applied, but I highly doubt that will be happening anytime soon.

The recently released "plan" (the last one never came to fruition so don't hold your breath on this one) suggested the new pier wouldn't begin to be built until the end of the decade I believe. And that's liable to change.

Though it is interesting how they plan to manage without the dual airbridges. 500 pax trying to squeeze through one little tunnel - good luck! and it seems odd that the much-touted A380 is going to be hidden att he end of the pier where the viewing public will barely get a look-in. I would've thought Gate 8 was the best option, but I suppose AIAL have never really cared for pax before, why should they know?

Cynical perhaps, but seriously, this has got to be the tightest company around, more interested in property development (ie. giant, ugly warehouses on formerly beautiful farm land leading up to the airport) than the aviation side of things.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 2:33 pm

I found this CAA document on preparing NZ airports for the A380:
http://www.caa.govt.nz/aerodromes/A380paper.pdf

Did AKL actually complete all the necessary work to be an ICAO code F airport or did it just complete the interim requirements?
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 2:41 pm

Often at the mo there are several big planes arriving or leaving within same half hour. I can't see the A380 will make it will very different, unless they have 90% occupancy - which might not happen immediately.

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 29):
I hope that the facilities inside the terminal are revamped and upgraded.



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 30):
It's very incremental, at best

You are both being a bit harsh on AKL. I find it a beautiful international airport, with the new departure deck a big improvement - a lovely place to spend an hour or two watching planes and sipping coffee...yes, a couple more coffee shops as alternatives would be nice - I do miss the old cafe on the eastern side. The main terminal shopping area is a lot of fun - lots of options there - unlike the departure area.

I agree in disliking the need to pay airport tax separately still.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 3:20 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 32):
Often at the mo there are several big planes arriving or leaving within same half hour. I can't see the A380 will make it will very different, unless they have 90% occupancy - which might not happen immediately.

And especially the EK check-in area.. I am certain that the facilities right now are sufficient to land an A380, although the arrivals section is being extended which is a good thing.

To add to the departure tax, put on how much the carpark costs.. Oh well.. At least the Skydeck was built.
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 3:44 pm

Quoting ABC9 (Reply 26):
Yes WLG can handle B777s. In 2001 a BA B772ER landed and stayed for about 3 days


Any truth it was there 3 days so they could strip everything out of it so it'd be light enough to be able to get out again !!

No truth about your belief.
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 6:09 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 34):
No truth about your belief.

A humourous interlude intended if you read the remainder of the post.

No offence intended to WLG.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 6:35 pm

Quoting ABC9 (Reply 35):
No offence intended to WLG.

Hey none taken from us humorous folk in the capital.

Don't worry about our runway, we're currently upgrading it in both length and depth. The depth so that we don't have to keep digging up the divets from some aggressive QF landings and the length so that the overruns end up in the sea rather than on our main highways. We take our Road Toll very seriously in New Zealand.

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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Wed May 24, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 27):
Without any doubt. It has already handled B747s...

A UA747 landed in Wellington a number of years ago when it did not have enough fuel to make CHCH after being diverted from Auckland. It landed and took off fine but I have little doubt it took off with little fuel, and maybe no passengers.

Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 29):
I realise that work is taking place at the moment, but will they all be good enough to handle such an increase in passengers?

This is the area that concerns me the most. The awfully slow immigration and that awful MAF check make arriving in NZ now an unpleasant experience. With even more people coming through at the same time will mean that more effort will need to go into selecting flights to ensure you arrive at a quiet time.

Is their a market for a website that allows you to select the best flights so you arrive at your destination at the quietest time to minimise delays. Great for airports like Narita, Hong Kong, Newark, JFK, Auckland and no doubt many others where delays of an hour to get through the airport are not uncommon.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Thu May 25, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 36):
and the length so that the overruns end up in the sea rather than on our main highways.

LMAO!!!!!!! But probably true!!
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Thu May 25, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting Antskip (Reply 32):
You are both being a bit harsh on AKL.

Maybe, but when you compare Auckland's international facilities to those at the much quieter Christchurch (international) and the abysmal Auckland domestic with Wellington (domestic), you start to get the impression that, as the first port of call for 70 percent of international arrivals to NZ, Auckland is behind the game.

Christchurch, in particular, has the best international facilities in New Zealand, in my opinion. Large, open spaces, modern and clean and largely hassle-free processing. I think that is the standard now.

And with CHC, because they handle the large US military aircraft, I believe their runway was already strong enough for the A380. Or am I wrong on that one?
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Thu May 25, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 39):
when you compare Auckland's international facilities to those at the much quieter Christchurch (international) and the abysmal Auckland domestic with Wellington (domestic)

I agree with you on both points. That situation has been the case for 30 years or more. I still enjoy AKL international for what it is, though. Sure it could be better. The new floor has improved it, don't you think? I think the present AKL is in a great location. A lot better than Whenuapai, which I found a bit dismal.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Thu May 25, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 28):
! Doesn't it have to be 60m wide to accomodate regular A380 service and also widen the turning bays?

No! The A380 will, according to Airbus be certified to use any airport the B744 uses. With 45m runways there are issues, as the outboard engines over hang and are, I presume, more exposed to FOD. Extending to 60m avoids these issues. Indivual airports could have other issues.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say compared to what I already said. As far as i'm aware runways need to be 60m wide to accomodate regular A380 service plus wider turning bays.

Can anyone confirm or deny.
 
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RE: AKL Is A380-ready

Thu May 25, 2006 3:19 pm

The report referred to by SpinalTap in Reply 31 http://www.caa.govt.nz/aerodromes/A380paper.pdf.
gives a 75M minimum for runways (60M plus 7.5m shoulders)- i.e. under Category F. However, the report also mentions an "interim", less arduous, minimum requirement of 60m (45m plus 7.5m shoulders) - i.e. under Category E. The report mentions that the A380's outer engine is 5M further out than for the B747. Maybe someone with more knowledge could explain how AKL and MEL relate to these standards?

postscript: I have checked the MEL web site, and it confirms they widened their North/South runway by the expected 15M (7.5m either side) - and they were first to be A380-ready.

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