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Wed May 24, 2006 4:51 pm

Where did you read UK?

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Boeing Sees Interest in 747-8 Plane From Asia, Europe (Update1)
May 24, 2006 03:38 EDT -- Boeing Co., the world's second- largest commercial aircraft maker, said as many as 10 airlines in Asia and Europe are interested in the longer, more fuel- efficient version of its 747 jetliner.


[Edited 2006-05-24 09:52:56]
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Wed May 24, 2006 4:56 pm

That is a very short article.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 1):
Where did you read UK?

Good question. I didn't read UK...heck there was very little information there to begin with. It says "Boeing Sees Interest in 747-8 Plane From Asia, Europe"

That could be LH, AF, BA, VS or Corsair for all we know.
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Wed May 24, 2006 4:59 pm

I'm interested as well but i'm not an airline.

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Wed May 24, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 1):
Where did you read UK?

The title in the link provided is where 777ER got that though it was more Europe rather than UK specific. Lot's of talk on LH. Here is some more from that link;

Bloomberg May 24 By Vicki Kwong
``We see five or six airlines in Asia that are interested in both the passenger and freighter versions of the airplanes,'' Randy Tinseth, head of sales, marketing and in-service support for the 747 program, said in an interview in Hong Kong today.

``And probably three or four in Europe,'' he said, without identifying potential customers.


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Wed May 24, 2006 5:03 pm

Showing interest is one thing - buying an entirely different matter. I see no major potential for the 748 in Asia save for cargo and will be highly surprised to see the thing fly for CX, SQ et al

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Wed May 24, 2006 5:33 pm

This is beginning to sound suspiciously like Leahy's talk about how many airlines are interested in the A380. It amounts to calling them up and asking if they've heard of it and then counting that as interest.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 5:35 pm

Quoting Abba (Reply 5):
Showing interest is one thing - buying an entirely different matter. I see no major potential for the 748 in Asia save for cargo and will be highly surprised to see the thing fly for CX, SQ et al

Abba

I disagree. There are several airlines that are very very satisified 747 operators that would like to stay with the type and seem unwilling to make a commitment to the A380....or have/will determine that they require something that bridges that gap between the A346/773 category and the A380. Unfortuneatly, this small articles gives us little new information.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Abba (Reply 5):
et al

Do you mean El Al ?  Wink

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
`And probably three or four in Europe,'' he said, without identifying potential customers.

Number one being defininately Lufthansa -since we all know that they stated more than once that they are very interested.
Since there are no other huge airlines left in Europe that have the need for a A380/747 sized plane I would guess BA, VS and AF/KLM.
I doubt that IB will go for the 747-8 - but would not rule that out completely.
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Wed May 24, 2006 6:07 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 6):
This is beginning to sound suspiciously like Leahy's talk about how many airlines are interested in the A380. It amounts to calling them up and asking if they've heard of it and then counting that as interest.

Remember that the B747 is already in service and is a proven aircraft, while the A380 isnt a proven aircraft yet. More Customers will be more willing to order a proven aircraft compared to the A380, but that can't be said about the B787 and A350 obviously.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 6:12 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):

Number one being defininately Lufthansa -since we all know that they stated more than once that they are very interested.
Since there are no other huge airlines left in Europe that have the need for a A380/747 sized plane I would guess BA, VS and AF/KLM.
I doubt that IB will go for the 747-8 - but would not rule that out completely.

LH - lots and lots of rumors that LH is interested in both the pax and cargo versions.

BA - its been discussed here many many times, BA is a possible candidate for the 748; they are a huge 744 operator, they have not ordered the 773ER, they have not ordered the A380, thus, they are still considering all of the options in the large aircraft segment, and that includes the 748i.

IB - you never know what is going to happen......being that IB operated 741s a 742s for years, and that IB has leased in 743/744 capacity, and considering that IB needs a large capacity airplane to fly certain routes from Madrid to South America.......we could see a small A380 or 748i order from IB; the 748i is probably the better sized aircraft for IB's needs; we dont know, thats what makes all of this so much fun!

AF/KL - dont think that its going to happen......with AF being a big 773ER operator and KL announcing that it too will be getting the 773ER, and with AF having the A380 on order for the highest capacity routes, I dont see the need for the 748i in the fleet.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
More Customers will be more willing to order a proven aircraft compared to the A380

I'm not so sure of that.
The 747 design is "proven", but old. More of that, it doesn't play in the exact same category than the A380.

However, it's likely that some airlines will stay with the 747 and will not even consider the A380, especially the japanese ones.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 6:27 pm

I found a full article based on the research excerpt posted above if anyone had the same problem I had.

Boeing Sees Interest in 747-8 From 10 Asian, European Airlines
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Wed May 24, 2006 6:35 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
LH - lots and lots of rumors that LH is interested in both the pax and cargo versions.

There are several statments by LH and LH Cargo officials sayins that they are seriously considering the 747-8 so I would call it rumors anymore.
At the moment they are checking two different options:
a) Order of the 747-8 as a 747-430 replacement and future growth
b) No direct 747 replacement and therefore order of additional A346 and A380.
Instead of the A346 the 777-300 is also being considered again, but has the
slightest chance of these options.

I am seriously hoping for the option a) - It is about time that LH has to order new Boeing aircrafts and the 747 is one aircraft that is deeply connected with LH for me.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
BA - its been discussed here many many times, BA is a possible candidate for the 748; they are a huge 744 operator, they have not ordered the 773ER, they have not ordered the A380, thus, they are still considering all of the options in the large aircraft segment, and that includes the 748i.

Agreed, the only reason why I don´t see BA ordering the 747-8 soon is that they are very reluctant of being a launch customer.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
IB - you never know what is going to happen......being that IB operated 741s a 742s for years, and that IB has leased in 743/744 capacity, and considering that IB needs a large capacity airplane to fly certain routes from Madrid to South America.......we could see a small A380 or 748i order from IB; the 748i is probably the better sized aircraft for IB's needs; we dont know, thats what makes all of this so much fun!

Agreed, again. That is why I said I would not rule out IB completely. From the outside it looks that the 748i is the better sized aircraft but who knows maybe they have enough capacity on their South America routes that they can fill a A380.
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Wed May 24, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
LH - lots and lots of rumors that LH is interested in both the pax and cargo versions.



Quoting from Bloomberg:

Deutsche Lufthansa AG, Europe's second-largest airline, is interested in both passenger and freight versions of the 747-8, Boeing Germany President Horst Teltschik said on March 9. The Cologne, Germany-based carrier has 30 Boeing 747-400s, according to its Web site.
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Wed May 24, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 13):
Agreed, the only reason why I don´t see BA ordering the 747-8 soon is that they are very reluctant of being a launch customer

Yep. And since slots aren't disappearing as quickly as for, say, the 787, BA can afford to wait. I think BA are almost certain to order the 747-8i - they themsleves pressured Boeing into producing the thing.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 7:04 pm

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``And probably three or four in Europe,'' he said

The article confirms that LH is one of them, so that leaves two or three which are unaccounted for. People here have suggested BA, AF, IB and VS. I definitely agree about BA. But are there any European cargo operators which could be included in this count of "three or four," (other than Cargolux)?

Quote:
``We see five or six airlines in Asia that are interested in both the passenger and freighter versions of the airplanes,''

My guess:

SQ
CX
JL
CA
CI
BR

Since he said "Asia," could this mean that QF has not shown any interest, or does he include Australia into Asia?
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Wed May 24, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting RedChili (Reply 16):
My guess:

SQ
CX
JL
CA
CI
BR

My guess is that Jet Airways from India is one of the five mentioned airlines from Asia. Apart from that I agree on CX and SQ.
I don´t see JL being one of the first airline to order, I think they will go for more 777-300ERs which works perfect for them.
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Wed May 24, 2006 7:51 pm

NZ's CEO, Rob Fyfe has already gone public with the airline's interest in the 748 as a potential replacement for the 744 (along with the 773ER).

By the time the choice comes around, the A380 will also be a proven entity and may make the short-list, particularly if Rob's aggressive growth plans for the airline are anywhere near on track.

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Wed May 24, 2006 8:32 pm

Of course BA wanted Boeing to launch the 748i, without it BA would have been forced to buy the A380, now they can play the 2 manufacturers off!
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:35 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
And probably three or four in Europe

Quite a vague statement, especially for their head of marketing. I can think of only two that have expressed interest, BA & LH.

Quoting Abba (Reply 5):
Showing interest is one thing - buying an entirely different matter.

This does surprise me. If only 10 airlines are 'showing interest', what are the sales outlooks of this jet. It is reasonable to presume that at best, only half of airlines that show interest in an aircraft actually end up buying it.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Customers will be more willing to order a proven aircraft compared to the A380

But none have ordered it.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):

Quite a vague statement, especially for their head of marketing. I can think of only two that have expressed interest, BA & LH.

How could you possibilty know how many airlines have expressed interest to Boeing concerning the 748i?

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
This does surprise me. If only 10 airlines are 'showing interest', what are the sales outlooks of this jet. It is reasonable to presume that at best, only half of airlines that show interest in an aircraft actually end up buying it.

It all depends on what showing interest means.......my guess is that the 10 airlines mentioned are some type of serious talks with Boeing concerning the type, not airlines that simply reviewed the stats for the 748i.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 22):
How could you possibilty know how many airlines have expressed interest to Boeing concerning the 748i?

When did I say that I did know all the airlines showing interest? I never said that BA & LH were the only ones, just that that I cant think of any others in europe.

[Edited 2006-05-24 13:51:05]
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
And probably three or four in Europe

Quite a vague statement, especially for their head of marketing.

Bearing in mind he may well be limited as to what he can say in the Public Domain at this point in time.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
This does surprise me. If only 10 airlines are 'showing interest', what are the sales outlooks of this jet. It is reasonable to presume that at best, only half of airlines that show interest in an aircraft actually end up buying it.

We need to refer to the original article and the context in which these comments were made. Boeing in the past have stated they are talking to almost every 744 Operator about either the B748i or B748F. That meant PAX and F operators which totalled about 20 plus carriers. That does not include 9W whom seem to favour the model nor AirNZ which have publicly stated they would have an interest in the 748i if launched either.

In this case though the wording appears to be in specific reference to carriers which are thinking of ordering both the 748i and 748F. From the article

``We see five or six airlines in Asia that are interested in both the passenger and freighter versions of the airplanes,'' Randy Tinseth, head of sales, marketing and in-service support for the 747 program, said in an interview in Hong Kong today.

``And probably three or four in Europe,'' he said, without identifying potential customers.


Whether they all actually order them is an entirley different question though and it could all be in the wording. That said, I saw the interview this story was written from and the article has missed some key statements from Mr Tinseth.

Quoting RedChili (Reply 16):
But are there any European cargo operators which could be included in this count of "three or four,"

Even though they have gone with the 772F to date Avion Group may have an interest.

Quoting Abba (Reply 5):
Showing interest is one thing - buying an entirely different matter. I see no major potential for the 748 in Asia save for cargo

Respectfully, my opinion differs to yours. Here we are 6-7 months into a 20 year program and Asia operate some of the largest fleets of 747s. I believe that over that time horizon Boeing may well sell more than enough of both models to recoup their investment. As Dutchjet stated, many of these are very satisfied with their current product and may well upgrade to the 747-8.

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Wed May 24, 2006 11:17 pm

These airlines are likely candidates for the 787-8I:

British Airways--replace older 747-400's.
Japan Airlines--replace older 747-400's and 747 Classics.
Cathay Pacific--provide capacity expansion for long international routes, and given the range of the 747-8I fly between HKG and YYZ non-stop in both directions most of the year.

Right now, BA and JL are the leading candidate airlines because unlike other airlines, BA at London Heathrow (LHR) and JL and Narita (NRT) suffer the least from landing slot restriction issues at these two airports, so they don't need a plane the size of the A380-800 for international flights.

As for CX, this really depends on how well Airbus can demonstrate 8,000 nautical mile range on a standard payload on the A388. If the A388 meets that range goal then I think CX will be a prime candidate to buy 8-10 A388's, which would be used on routes from HKG to LHR, possibly FRA, NRT, SYD, SFO and LAX.
 
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Wed May 24, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Abba (Reply 5):
I see no major potential for the 748 in Asia save for cargo and will be highly surprised to see the thing fly for CX, SQ et al

I see wishfull thinking form an Airbus cheerleader

Quoting EI321 (Reply 21):
But none have ordered it.

Duh

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 24):
Respectfully, my opinion differs to yours. Here we are 6-7 months into a 20 year program and Asia operate some of the largest fleets of 747s. I believe that over that time horizon Boeing may well sell more than enough of both models to recoup their investment. As Dutchjet stated, many of these are very satisfied with their current product and may well upgrade to the 747-8.

Exactly, its not like these are used cars bought on a test drive on Saturday afternoon. The sheer amount of due diligence before placing a multi million or billion dollar order is staggereing. And it takes more than a few months.
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Wed May 24, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 11):
The 747 design is "proven", but old.

The point being?? IIRC the B737 entered service in 1968 (even older than the 747 which entered service in 1970), yet they (737's) still sell like hot cakes.
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Thu May 25, 2006 12:02 am

could AI be possibly interested in the 748?

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Thu May 25, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):
Japan Airlines--replace older 747-400's and 747 Classics.

They have been quite explicit about wanting to downsize their largest birds to something 777 size rather then 747 size.
 
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Thu May 25, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting Abba (Reply 5):
I see no major potential for the 748 in Asia save for cargo and will be highly surprised to see the thing fly for CX, SQ et al



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):
As for CX, this really depends on how well Airbus can demonstrate 8,000 nautical mile range on a standard payload on the A388. If the A388 meets that range goal then I think CX will be a prime candidate to buy 8-10 A388's, which would be used on routes from HKG to LHR, possibly FRA, NRT, SYD, SFO and LAX.

And that seems to be the crux. SQ's internal models on A388 performance showed the A388 was payload affected westbound with high winds, which convinced them to cancel inaugural service between SFO and HKG and instead put it on the SYD-LHR "Kangaroo Route" to face at least QF's A380s and probably VS' and others, as well.

If the A388 is dicey on SFO/LAX-HKG at max load 24x7x365, and the 748 isn't, the 748 may very well find a home with SQ and CX to service that route.
 
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Thu May 25, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Since there are no other huge airlines left in Europe that have the need for a A380/747 sized plane I would guess BA, VS and AF/KLM.



Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
I doubt that IB will go for the 747-8 - but would not rule that out completely.



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):

BA - its been discussed here many many times, BA is a possible candidate for the 748; they are a huge 744 operator, they have not ordered the 773ER, they have not ordered the A380, thus, they are still considering all of the options in the large aircraft segment, and that includes the 748i.



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):

IB - you never know what is going to happen......being that IB operated 741s a 742s for years, and that IB has leased in 743/744 capacity, and considering that IB needs a large capacity airplane to fly certain routes from Madrid to South America.......we could see a small A380 or 748i order from IB; the 748i is probably the better sized aircraft for IB's needs; we dont know, thats what makes all of this so much fun!



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):

AF/KL - dont think that its going to happen......with AF being a big 773ER operator and KL announcing that it too will be getting the 773ER, and with AF having the A380 on order for the highest capacity routes, I dont see the need for the 748i in the fleet.



Quoting Columba (Reply 13):
Agreed, the only reason why I don´t see BA ordering the 747-8 soon is that they are very reluctant of being a launch customer.

I think BA will go for the 748, it fits in their cautious fleet planning paradigm....it will add incremental amount of seats and allow them much more flexibility.........

could BA use the A380, certainly for some routes, but even Walsh has stated that they would only be able to use a dozen or so 380's, if that..

they have also stated they don't plan on getting both the B748 and A380...

"Boyle (BA Fleet Planning Director Robert Boyle) noted. "Of course a combined order for A380s with 747-8s is unlikely, as is an order for the Dreamliner with the A350." BA is more interested in the 787-9 and the proposed larger dash 10 than the 787-8. He also revealed it "very much pushed Boeing to produce the 747-8." "

source:atwonline.com

I also don't think IB will go for the 747-8, if anything, they will expand with A346's and if they need the A380, they might lease it say via ILFC....


AF/KL..maybe KL, but they seem to be happier with their 772's and probably their 773's coming in....

AF-nah....they like their 777s and with the A380's coming in, I don't see them getting any 747-8's...

I see CX getting some, as it fits their prudent growth strategy also...

My dark horse for the 747-8 is 9W, as they have been on record stating they might purchase it for fleet expansion...

Also, PK might need it to replace their ancient 743's, but for now, they are getting some 773's..so that's a bit of a far off bet..
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Thu May 25, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 28):
could AI be possibly interested in the 748?

Yes, Air India has said they will evaluate both the A388 and 748I over the next year as well as additional 777/787. However, don't expect any order by the end of 2006.
 
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Thu May 25, 2006 12:33 am

So much interest on the bird...

But will someone ever buy the damn thing?... (I mean, the passenger version, naturally).

I guess that it will not happen at least until the truly new A350 is unveiled.
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Thu May 25, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting DistantHorizon (Reply 33):
So much interest on the bird...

But will someone ever buy the damn thing?... (I mean, the passenger version, naturally).

Is it that easy to commit billions of dollars project? No. Just be patient. The plane has not been around for more than 1 year. Give it another year or two, before saying the plane is doom.

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Thu May 25, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting DistantHorizon (Reply 33):
So much interest on the bird...But will someone ever buy the damn thing?...I guess that it will not happen at least until the truly new A350 is unveiled.

More likely not until the A380 has a year or two of revenue service under her girdle and the data is used to refine the models and extrapolate sufficiently accurate projections to see if she can perform all reasonable mission profiles desired of her.

If she can, then chances are the 748I will fade away (though Boeing can probably sell some). If she cannot, expect interest in the 748I to perk-up, but again, the A380 will probably be the more common airliner over time.
 
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Thu May 25, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
Bloomberg May 24 By Vicki Kwong
``We see five or six airlines in Asia that are interested in both the passenger and freighter versions of the airplanes,'' Randy Tinseth, head of sales, marketing and in-service support for the 747 program, said in an interview in Hong Kong today.

``And probably three or four in Europe,'' he said, without identifying potential customers.

You know, I think this statement is some non-news. Ofcourse airlines are interested in new planes. Five or six, three or four are relatively low numbers. And what's up with the or? You know you're talking with five or six airlines. Which number is it? Is it five or is it six?

Just some press coverage to spark the media, not really news.

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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 28):
could AI be possibly interested in the 748?

I certainly hope so....more from an emotional point of view as AI has been a steady 747 operator for the last 35 years....

The Chairman of AI recently made a statement that they may have underestimated their own requirements while placing the recent order for 777/787's in 2005....which means they may be considering further orders....maybe to replace their 744 fleet which should be retired in the next 5-6 years time....
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
AF/KL - dont think that its going to happen

I agree with you if you are talking about the pax version, but I think AF might at some point order the freighter version. They have a sizable 744-F fleet now, would be a good fit for future expansion/replacement.
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 38):
They have a sizable 744-F fleet now, would be a good fit for future expansion/replacement.

Not only the 744F but the 744ERF as well.

AF is also an early 777F customer, so it will be interesting to see what type of new build freighter they will give the highest priority.
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 4:18 am

Well wouldn't this 747-8 work better for VS than an A380?
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 40):
Well wouldn't this 747-8 work better for VS than an A380?

Considering the dimensions of the Upper Suite and VS' use of lounge areas, I expect the A380's greater and wider floorspace is a better fit for them.
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 40):
Well wouldn't this 747-8 work better for VS than an A380?

Virgin does not seem to think so, they were a rather early customer for the A380 and are committed to the type. The A380 does make sense on Virgin's long routes out of slot controlled Heathrow......and being that many of Virgin's routes are already flown by 744s, the jump in capacity should not be such a big deal.
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 4:25 am

Not much to the article except PR fluff. If there is 10 interested cutomers, I would think 2-3 perhaps for pax version at most right now. Besides, interest does not neccessarily always translate into orders. For example, lots of airlines are interested in the A-350 or A-380, yet we dont see very many orders yet...
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Abba (Reply 5):
Showing interest is one thing - buying an entirely different matter. I see no major potential for the 748 in Asia save for cargo and will be highly surprised to see the thing fly for CX, SQ et al

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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 5:39 am

Look for AA to order some 748's to counter QF's own 748 purchase and subsequent routes into DFW!

(Someone has to be running a bet right now for the first US Legacy carrier to order the new 748!)


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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 45):
Look for AA to order some 748's to counter QF's own 748 purchase and subsequent routes into DFW!

why would they want to counter their own alliance partner . ( Yes , I know that it does happen in a lot of markets - but lets face it - if US-Australia was the goldmine everyone seems to think it is then more US carriers would be flying it already )
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 6:09 am

Wasn't the 747-8 supposed to have a stretched upper deck as well?
I've been all over the Boeing website and cannot find any mention of it at all, only the 11 foot (or 18 for the freighter) stretch to the main fuselage.
Or maybe I was thinking of the dead space above the main cabin?

Boeing is saying 450 in a 3-class.

What about a 2-class?

Or in a Japanese domestic?
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 21):
But none have ordered it.

How many A380s have been ordered since the 748 was officially launched?
 
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RE: Boeing: Interest In 747-8 From 10 Asian, UK Airlin

Thu May 25, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Dutchjet 'Virgin does not seem to think so, they were a rather early customer for the A380 and are committed to the type. The A380 does make sense on Virgin's long routes out of slot controlled Heathrow......and being that many of Virgin's routes are already flown by 744s, the jump in capacity should not be such a big deal.

Dutchjet, IIRC VS later postoned delivery and for a company that loves publicity, there doesn't seem to be any concerning this new type. Leads me to continue to believe that they would like to cancel their order completely

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