deaphen
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Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Thu May 25, 2006 5:38 pm

Ok i have a question, i am a avid collector of diecast models. And i recently bought myself a few models which were shipped through USPS and thru HONGKONG POST. I was wondering, which airlines do these two particular companies send their mail on? Do they have their own planes like Fed-ex and UPS?

I am talking about them flying to india. Not domestic USA packages but international express services. I have always been intrigued about this, do they fly on some passenger airline or by a dedicated carrier.

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noelg
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Thu May 25, 2006 7:01 pm

Normally, mail will go on passenger airlines. Eg Royal Mail is sent mainly on BA, but I presume if BA don't fly to a country they will send on another passenger airline.

The Royal mail have a huge UK operation at night time, which utilises airliners usually reserved for passengers carrying mail between UK cities that wouldn't normally have an air service connecting them, e.g. Biggin Hill - Nottingham.
 
oly720man
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Thu May 25, 2006 7:08 pm

As far as the USPS is concerned, you can thank FedEx

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Global services

Airmail, Global Priority, Global Express, and Global Express Guaranteed Mail are offered to ship mail and packages to almost every country and territory on the globe. Ironically, much of this service is provided by FedEx. [5]
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From the USPS Wiki page
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jorge1812
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Thu May 25, 2006 8:25 pm

In Germany LH has a big night hub for air mail at FRA where they put the mail between the seats of the normal pax planes.

Georg
 
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Thu May 25, 2006 8:46 pm

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
As far as the USPS is concerned, you can thank FedEx

"
Global services

Airmail, Global Priority, Global Express, and Global Express Guaranteed Mail are offered to ship mail and packages to almost every country and territory on the globe. Ironically, much of this service is provided by FedEx. [5]
"
From the USPS Wiki page

Of course FedEx has a contract for it, no need to thank them as they are making TONS of profit from your tax dollars.

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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Thu May 25, 2006 9:32 pm

The United States Postal Service does not directly own or operate any aircraft or trains. The mail and packages are flown on airlines with which they have a contractual agreement. The contracts change periodically. Depending on the contract, you may see aircraft painted with the USPS paint scheme. Contract airlines have included: Emery Worldwide, Ryan International, FedEx, Rhoades Aviation, and Express 1 International. The Postal Service also contracts with Amtrak to carry some mail between certain cities such as Chicago, Illinois and Minneapolis-St. Paul.

From Wikipedia on USPS
 
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 3):
In Germany LH has a big night hub for air mail at FRA where they put the mail between the seats of the normal pax planes.

Georg

Deutsche Post mail division is one of the biggest LH Cargo (including all passengers flights) customers, if not the biggest.

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jorge1812
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
Deutsche Post mail division

Do you mean DHL?

Georg
 
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 2:45 am

I have seen some USPS express and priority mail and packages within the Domestic USA loaded or off-loaded scheduled pax aircraft as well, including CO. Probably the bulk of airmail will be with charters and FedEx, but when small amounts, high priority to hubs or perhaps the only quick way to get mail there like to smaller airport areas not as well served as FedEx, then they will go with pax aircraft as well.
 
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:39 am

I can answer this with first hand knowledge as I manage a mail facility that sends the mail on FEDEX. We currently move about 2.5 Million pounds a month of mail, all of it on FEDEX. The operations are done all at night for early morning departures. We handle Priority, Express, and some first class mail.
FEDEX has a very lucrative contract with the USPS whereby they actually operate a whole bank of flights just for the Post Office and increase the utilization of their aircraft in the process.
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Avianca
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
Do you mean DHL?

Georg

not DHL, the normal mail service (die du bei der post als luftpost abgibst)
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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:43 am

In the UK, Titan Aiways operates a dedicated aircraft on behalf of Royal Mail.

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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 7:36 am

USPS used to do much of its legwork with any and all airlines in the US. The airlines made bundles and bundles of money doing it. Then 9/11 happened and the TSA, in all of its wonder, limited how much mail the airlines could carry, like an envelope could really be that dangerous. Now, most airlines have dropped much mail service, and any mail they focus on are point to point mail routes. For instance, DL may choose to only carry mail from ATL-ORF. CO may choose to only carry mail from IAH-TUS. And UA may only choose to carry mail from IAD-MCI.

My question is, as a kid, I remember sometimes at night seeing a USPS 727 fly into my hometown. But haven't seen one in years. After looking into the database, it seems that Ryan flew many of them on contracts for the USPS in full Postal colors. Did USPS ever operate any of their own aircraft for their own services, and when did they stop flying or contracting to Ryan?





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RE: Normal Air Mail..by Which Airline?

Fri May 26, 2006 9:51 am

They were always a contract operation, first with Emery, then Ryan and even BAX did some flying.
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