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Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Thu May 25, 2006 10:38 pm

On a recent visit to GLA ive noticed that us airways flight to PHL is operated by a 762 but recently ive heard that the flight was to be operated by a 752. this is great because i feel GLA is losing its widebodys to the states such as CO to EWR . HOW LONG WILL it continue?
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Thu May 25, 2006 10:43 pm

US airways timetable shows B752 from 31st May PHL-GLA.
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Thu May 25, 2006 10:45 pm

thats bad news , so why are they using the 757 ? soon AA will be using it on flights to ORD!!
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Thu May 25, 2006 10:48 pm

Maybe there aren't enough PAX to fill a 762 or the 762 can be better utilised elsewhere.
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Thu May 25, 2006 10:51 pm

At the risk of resurrecting all the usual arguments, they will be switching to the 752 because it is a highly economic type for use on east coast USA-Scotland services, as CO has proven. The switch also allows US to start new routes from PHL to European destinations further afield which will require the range of the 762. Scotland is well within the range of the 752.

And switching to 752 ops might also boost the chances of the route going year-round, instead of the current summer only.

I think it's a shrewd move by US.
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Thu May 25, 2006 11:57 pm

MXP and ARN services start on 04JUN & 05JUN, with 2 767s deployed on those routes. There has been a 'new' 757 ETOPS (N643UW) parked at the hanger in PHL waiting to enter service for about a month now.


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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 12:03 am

The ever increasing use of all economy 752's across the atlantic demonatrates the point-to-point theory. AA and CO have had success doing this on UK & Irish routes recently.
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Ba757gla (Thread starter):
HOW LONG WILL it continue?

"Better 1 US Airways 757 flight than no US Airways flights at all..."

Don't forget that there are many, many airports in Europe dreaming of a service to the States, so if you've got them, try to keep them even if they switch to smaller equipment!!!  

[Edited 2006-05-25 17:23:28]
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 2):
soon AA will be using it on flights to ORD!!

Not possible.

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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 8):
Not possible

Because? AA flies the 757 into Manchester for the Boston route, and I think Newcastle was going to be a 757 before they pulled it.

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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting Airways45 (Reply 9):
Because? AA flies the 757 into Manchester for the Boston route, and I think Newcastle was going to be a 757 before they pulled it.

You try flying a 757 on ORD-GLA and get back to me  Wink

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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 1:58 am

Why do the US carriers use 752s to GLA? Easy, because they can....NE US to UK routes are well suited for 752 operations as there are no range issues and few operational issues to contend with. Both US and CO have a limited number of long range widebodies.....and thsoe aircraft are now flying routes which are longer range and cannot be done with the 752. Its simple aircraft allocation.

The US (ex-ATA) 752s are probably nicer than the neglected US 762s which are in need of an interior upgrade........also, as you probably know, the economics of the 752 are better than those of the 762ER on a route such as EWR or PHL to GLA, and the pax capacity is roughly the same. Cargo lift is of course less with the 752.

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 10):

You try flying a 757 on ORD-GLA and get back to me

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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 10):
Quoting Airways45 (Reply 9):
Because? AA flies the 757 into Manchester for the Boston route, and I think Newcastle was going to be a 757 before they pulled it.

You try flying a 757 on ORD-GLA and get back to me

Gaz

You're still not stating a reason why it's not possible.

Spell it out. What's the problem?
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 12):

Spell it out. What's the problem?

Range. The 757 can do east coast destinations (EWR, JFK, BOS, PHL), but ORD is much further inland. The 757 cannot extend its range much further; I believe the east coast is already pushing it slightly.
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 12):
You're still not stating a reason why it's not possible.

Spell it out. What's the problem?

You didn't get the hint when going for a swim was mentioned. The 752 just doesn't have the range for GLA-ORD with a useful payload.
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 2:48 am

NE US to the UK is great for the 757. Personally I love flying the 757 and would take a 75 flight over a huge wide-body anyday,
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 13):

Range. The 757 can do east coast destinations (EWR, JFK, BOS, PHL), but ORD is much further inland. The 757 cannot extend its range much further; I believe the east coast is already pushing it slightly.

The range of the 752 is 3,900nm according to Boeing, well within reach of ORD-GLA
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):

The range of the 752 is 3,900nm according to Boeing, well within reach of ORD-GLA

You just have to hope that there are no winds when flying GLA-ORD, that you get a direct routing into ORD, that there are no weather issues, that ORD has no delays and very little traffic on the day you are flying, that there are no ATC delays, and that your taxi times at GLA and ORD are very short. And, who needs to worry about alternate airports and holding times? Also, hope for a light pax load and little cargo.

I am teasing, of course, while the numbers indicate that the GLA-ORD route would be possible, in real life the operation would not be practical. CO is now debating upon whether it can use the 752 (winglet equipped) on any routes longer than the current Berlin-Newark segment which is about 3600 nm.

You may remember that AA was looking at something called the 757 Project 4000 - a bundle of minor tweaks and modications to be made to the 752 in order to get 4000 miles of usable range out of the aircraft......certain routes from MIA to Latin America and transatlantic segments such as GLA-ORD was what they must have had in mind. Not much has been recently heard about this proposal.
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 4:45 am

That assumes no wind - the gulf stream across the Atlantic restricts this severely, meaning the aircraft would have to make a tech stop en-route. Plus that figure could exclude pax and baggage/cargo, which further reduces range.
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:04 am

DutchKet: There is nothing wrong or neglected about their 76-200's. The 75 will be sold as all coach until they have the time during the off seaon to do Envoy upgrades.
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 19):
DutchKet: There is nothing wrong or neglected about their 76-200's. The 75 will be sold as all coach until they have the time during the off seaon to do Envoy upgrades.

US itself has said that the 767-200 fleet is in need of an interior upgrade to make the aircraft more in-line with the standard set by the A330.

And, the 752s are rather new aircraft, ex-ATA, that will be sold all coach until a narrow body J class is developed and installed.
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 13):
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 12):

Spell it out. What's the problem?

Range. The 757 can do east coast destinations (EWR, JFK, BOS, PHL), but ORD is much further inland. The 757 cannot extend its range much further; I believe the east coast is already pushing it slightly.

ORD-GLA is 350 miles further than EWR-GLA..as the crow flies. The aircraft can serve routes over 4,000 miles. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_facts.html
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 21):

ORD-GLA is 350 miles further than EWR-GLA..as the crow flies. The aircraft can serve routes over 4,000 miles. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757....html

Please read the discussion above........there is a big difference between the numbers on Boeing's website and real life.

Things like winds, traffic, loads, cargo, ATC delays, diversions, and the like must be taken into account, especially on a transatlantic flight where a good portion of the segment will be over water. Trust me, anything more than 3500-3600 miles gets tricky on a 752......especially on a westbound journey against the winds, just ask any man or woman that dispatches for CO in Europe.

An airline could try using a 757 on a GLA-ORD route, but the result will be lots of unscheduled stops in Gander.
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 21):
350

Its actually 450, as airliners don't fly as the crow flies - they fly Great Circle:
GLA (55°52'19"N 04°25'59"W) EWR (40°41'33"N 74°10'07"W) 3228 mi
GLA (55°52'19"N 04°25'59"W) ORD (41°58'43"N 87°54'17"W) 3676 mi
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 18):
That assumes no wind - the gulf stream across the Atlantic restricts this severely,

If the gulf stream comes into play on a transatlantic flight, then you are definitely going for a swim.

I think you meant the jet stream! Smile
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 22):
Trust me, anything more than 3500-3600 miles gets tricky on a 752......especially on a westbound journey against the winds, just ask any man or woman that dispatches for CO in Europe.

An airline could try using a 757 on a GLA-ORD route, but the result will be lots of unscheduled stops in Gander.

How much range do the winglets add?

Matt
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 25):

How much range do the winglets add?

Matt

Roughly 300 miles......fuels savings just under 1% on longer segments. Thsoe are the numbers that I have heard.
 
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 10:46 pm

Many charter airlines have flown the 757 from LGW to YYZ which is exactly 100mi less than GLA-ORD. Now I'm not saying that the 757 could make GLA-ORD without having to stop on the west bound on windy days but if AA were to use aircraft fitted with winglets then these would probably negate the 100mi difference over a non-winglet 757 flying LGW-YYZ wouldn't they?
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RE: Why Are US Using The 767 To GLA?

Fri May 26, 2006 11:35 pm

i am working the 1st 757 flight from gla to phl on the 31st. should be interesting. the trip is a 3 day trip that originates on the 29th. you work the 767 phl-gla overnight for about 26 hrs then work the 757 gla-phl. my first time to gla! i am sure i will have a god time.