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AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 1:49 am

With the recent expansion of Skyteam in the USA, I was wondering about possible development of code-shares among AF and NW and CO. In other words, will the routes to DTW, EWR, IAH be growing in the future for this reason?

Any info?

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hjulicher
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 2:43 am

I read long ago that NW wanted codeshare TATL agreements with AF, and possibly AZ, and CZ (Czech Airlines). Unfortunately, that would be that NW, DL, KL, and AF would all be code-share partners and I remember hearing that American contested it because it would cause a monoply on the TATL market. So, it's still under consideration, but very unlikely...

YOu can probably do a search somewhere, I think I read an article in the Free Press. Anyways, I'm too lazy at the moment, but maybe later.

I would be for Skyteam expansion.... At least, Skyteam hubs would get more TATL flights to cities like Prague, Milan, Rome (for NW atleast).
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HB-IWC
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 2:45 am

The same question could be asked for KLM and transatlantic routes from AMS. KLM's transatlantic codeshare partner is NW and so far there are apparently no plans for a CO-KL codeshare on AMS-IAH and AMS-EWR, or for a DL-KL codeshare on AMS-ATL, AMS-JFK and AMS-CVG.

It seems therefore that, at least for the time being both AF and KL are sticking to their dedicated transatlantic partners, DL and NW respectively. I would imagine that a more extensive transatlantic codeshare agreement (AF-KL-DL-NW-CO) would be subject to additional approval by regulatory bodies at both sides of the ocean.
 
RobertS975
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 3:06 am

Right now, no US carrier serves PRG. I would expect that to change, whether it is CO out of EWR or DL out of JFK or ATL. DL currently codeshares OK's daily flight ex-JFK, but they would do better flying their own metal and codesharing THEIR flight to OK and the rest of SkyTeam.
 
COfaninBOS
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 3:41 am

AF and CO don't codeshare on IAH-CDG but that hasn't stopped the route from growing. AF went from a daily 777 to a daily 773. Now, AF is bumping weekly flights with a daily 777 and 5 times weekly 330. CO also has a daily 777.

KL has added a 737 bizjet on AMS-IAH in addition to their daily 74M. CO is adding frequencies this summer to the year round 764.
 
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 3):
Right now, no US carrier serves PRG. I would expect that to change, whether it is CO out of EWR or DL out of JFK or ATL. DL currently codeshares OK's daily flight ex-JFK, but they would do better flying their own metal and codesharing THEIR flight to OK and the rest of SkyTeam.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to add a direct flight to PRG from NW's, CO's or DL's hub other than NYC???
 
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 4):
KL has added a 737 bizjet on AMS-IAH in addition to their daily 74M. CO is adding frequencies this summer to the year round 764.

Incidentally....how is this service going loadwise......

My brothers flies KLM and Air France regularly from IAH and he says the Privtair plane is usually about 50% but the Biz class on the AF 777 are usually full to the brim.
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kl662
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 7:53 am

CO used to code share on AF flights, but I guess that stopped about the time DL and AF strengthened their relationship. Looks like the code shares started 6/19/1998 between CDG and EWR/IAH/MIA, according to a CO press release.

I flew on a couple in 1999: AF36 CDG-IAH as CO83, CO10 IAH-CDG as AF35, and CO11 CDG-IAH as AF34.  Cool
 
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 5):
Wouldn't it be a better idea to add a direct flight to PRG from NW's,

If would be nice if NW did so.

However, they do not have aircrafy for that now. Ad when all A330s get delivered I think they will expand more along MSP-CDG, DTW-MAD, DTW-FCO (normally seasonal, this year not operated).
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Fri May 26, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
It seems therefore that, at least for the time being both AF and KL are sticking to their dedicated transatlantic partners, DL and NW respectively. I would imagine that a more extensive transatlantic codeshare agreement (AF-KL-DL-NW-CO) would be subject to additional approval by regulatory bodies at both sides of the ocean.

Indeed, for the moment they will stick to KL-NW and AF-DL. Last year, they did a request for a antritrust-immunity for AF-KL-DL-NW. Not for CO though, as CO is not that interested in codesharing between hubs, only beyond.
 
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RE: AF, Skyteam And DTW, EWR, IAH

Sat May 27, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
It seems therefore that, at least for the time being both AF and KL are sticking to their dedicated transatlantic partners, DL and NW respectively. I would imagine that a more extensive transatlantic codeshare agreement (AF-KL-DL-NW-CO) would be subject to additional approval by regulatory bodies at both sides of the ocean.

This answered a questioned I had about DL in AMS. I wondered why DL didn't use AMS as another gateway to Europe with KL doing the feeding to/from places like Germany and Scandinavia.
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