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JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 6:42 am

I was just look at some photos of JAL DC-8s. There was a photo of a DC-8-62 park by a UA DC-10 at LAX in 1984. How long did JAL fly DC-8 to LAX?
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I was just look at some photos of JAL DC-8s. There was a photo of a DC-8-62 park by a UA DC-10 at LAX in 1984. How long did JAL fly DC-8 to LAX?

They flew the DC8-61/63 there in the 80's as well. They used them to operate from LAX-GRU/LIM.
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:13 am

What was JAL's routing?

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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 8:45 am

By the mid-1980s, JL DC-8s were mostly operated on intra-Asian routes.
Perhaps the picture was a disposal flight back to the US with a stop in LAX?
Or DC-8-62 has the longest range of the DC-8 series so it could have been on a VIP mission.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:11 am

Possibly this was a supplemental flight to meet increased travel demand for the '84 Olympics.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
Perhaps the picture was a disposal flight back to the US with a stop in LAX?



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 3):
Or DC-8-62 has the longest range of the DC-8 series so it could have been on a VIP mission.



Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 4):
Possibly this was a supplemental flight to meet increased travel demand for the '84 Olympics

No, no, and no.

In the early to mid 1980s, JAL had a DC8 stationed at LAX which operated segments to South America.......the flight would operate with a 747 between Japan and LAX and with a DC8 between LAX and South American stations. I believe the routing was LAX-LIM-GRU and possibly on to GIG (guessing on that). The Japan-Brazil connection always has been an important one......the largest Japanese community outside of Japan resides in Sao Paolo.

In later years, the DC8 were dropped in favor of more modern types, and the routings changed. Service between GRU and NRT now routes via JFK I think.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
Service between GRU and NRT now routes via JFK I think.

Yes, JL 48/47 I think.

It had a unique schedule in that it has close to a 12 hour ground time I think in JFK upon returning from Brazil? Actually, I happened to stay in the same hotel as that JL crew in NYC three weeks ago.

There was a forum about JL upgrading the 744 that fly NRT-JFK-GRU to shell flat seats in the 3rd or 4th? quarter of this year.
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 3:21 pm

I am assuming these never had CFM-56's installed, just the old P&W's.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
In the early to mid 1980s, JAL had a DC8 stationed at LAX which operated segments to South America.......the flight would operate with a 747 between Japan and LAX and with a DC8 between LAX and South American stations. I believe the routing was LAX-LIM-GRU and possibly on to GIG (guessing on that). The Japan-Brazil connection always has been an important one......the largest Japanese community outside of Japan resides in Sao Paolo.

Very interesting, but wasn't the flight operated via MIA and not LIM as you point out? It was a DC-8 flight that operated LAX-MIA-GRU (or GIG) since GRU wasn't really too international back then, or was it?

It was RG that operated GIG-LIM-LAX-TKO wasn't it? What was RG flying to Japan in does days?

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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 10:51 pm

Hey gang - newbie here - former UAL, now JAL. If I recall correctly (and would have to check some old timetables I bought on eBay), the rlight was twice, monthly when operated via LAX. At some point, it operated TYO-ANC-JFK-SJU-Brazil. SJU was a fuel/tech stop as well. Can check exact routings if you like. Great forum, glad to be a member now!
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sat May 27, 2006 11:39 pm

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 9):
Can check exact routings if you like.

That would be much appreciated! Welcome to airliners.net!

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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 12:09 am

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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 1:03 am

Don't know whether or not you're familair w/this web site, but check out the routing from TYO to GRU on this link - comes VERY close to both NYC & YYZ

GRU&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=" target=_blank>http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=N...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

Will check on the timetable, Worldxplorer, and thanks for the welcome!
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 1:37 am

What a wonderful picture above showing such great aviation history. The JAL DC-8, multiple 747s in Pan Am Livery and also three L-1011s, one each in TWA, Eastern, and Pan Am.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 4:55 am

In Spring 1980, the JAL Brazil schedule operated NRT-ANC-JFK-SJU-SAO and return, same routing. (No times for ANC/JFK/SJU in timetable).

In 1981, that was tweaked and routing was changed to NRT-ANC-MIA-SAO, returning the same way.


In Winter 1982, JAL Brazil schedule VIA LAX & MIA as follows:
NRT-LAX 2035/1330
LAX-MIA 1430/2155
MIA-SAO 2255/0910

SAO-MIA 2350/0610
MIA-LAX 0730/0955
LAX-ANC 1055/1415
ANC-NRT 1515/1755
It appears that flights were timed to connect w/747 nonstops between NRT-LAX-NRT in both directions.

By 1983, it was a DC* based in LAX operating LAX-MIA-SAO and return, same routing to connect to/from 747s. In late 80s, thru 747 was offered TYO-GRU via LAX. This was later moved via NYC, which is what JAL had wanted since starting US service in the 50s, w/full traffic rights.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting Visakow (Reply 7):
I am assuming these never had CFM-56's installed, just the old P&W's.

Obviously not. If this was the case, it would have been a DC-8-72.
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 5:47 am

Avatordon - thanks for posting those details. I was always curious about those JAL DC-8 routes.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 6:49 am

I only wish JAL would increase the frequency in this market (NRT-JFK-GRU), as we went from 4 weekly to 3 weekly. Don't know if we'll see that anytime soon, if ever. But as I say, the upgraded Executive Class seat product is being introduced in late October.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Sun May 28, 2006 1:40 pm

Wow JAL in MIA. I had no idea. A friend of mine told me many years ago he thought he spotted a JAL aircraft at night in MIA. I thought he was joking.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Mon May 29, 2006 12:46 am

Now, if only JAL would go back into DFW what w/oneworld and all!
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Mon May 29, 2006 12:52 am

JAL never operated GRU with the DC-8. This operation was to VCP.

They stopped operations with the DC-8 and changed to B747 and at same time stopped their flights to SAO and operated in GIG. GIG/GRU was operated under a domestic agreement.
Than JL decided to stop operation in GIG and returned to SAO market, this time to GRU with B744.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Mon May 29, 2006 1:13 am

When I used "GRU", it was a reference to the city - not the specific airport. As for VCP(Viracopos), I seem to remember something to the effect that not only JAL, but a significant number of carriers operating large aircraft, i.e., 747s, etc, either moved or increased service to GIG, and had some type of code-share or something to VCP. (Wasn't CGH - I think Congonhas - the international airport for a time before GRU? My memory is working overtime.) I think that GRU was either being built or upgraded or something.

JAL never had any desire to serve GIG - there was no Japanese market there, unlike Sao Paulo, which has the largest Japanese community in the world outside of Japan. GIG was a stop-gap measure at best until the airport in SAO was comeplted. Maybe someone else could add some more info on this? I'd be curious as to why all the long haul carriers all had to move for a period of time.
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Mon May 29, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 22):
When I used "GRU", it was a reference to the city - not the specific airport. As for VCP(Viracopos), I seem to remember something to the effect that not only JAL, but a significant number of carriers operating large aircraft, i.e., 747s, etc, either moved or increased service to GIG, and had some type of code-share or something to VCP. (Wasn't CGH - I think Congonhas - the international airport for a time before GRU? My memory is working overtime.) I think that GRU was either being built or upgraded or something.

Ok, let's go. the city is SAO and SAO is served by 03 airports, CGH, GRU and VCP. YES VCP is in a city called Campinas and it is far away from São Paulo about 100km but is it considered also as an airport of SAO.

It is the same thing as NYC...served by JFK, LGA...LON by LHR, LGW,STN,...

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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Mon May 29, 2006 4:08 am

When did GRU open? That is, wasn't there a period of time when the only two airports were VCP and CGH?
 
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RE: JAL Flew DC-8-62 To LAX In The Mid 80's?

Mon May 29, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 24):
When did GRU open? That is, wasn't there a period of time when the only two airports were VCP and CGH?

From what I remember GRU was originally an Air Force base converted for civilian use. As late as into the 1980s I remember some European carriers still operating from VCP.
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