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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:36 am

WOW. I had a feeling that was coming, but it is sad to see. I was under the impression that all our NRT flying was profitable.

Soooo now the big question is what is AA going to do with the 777 and the landing slot in NRT.

Will the 777 be used for new NRT service from another gaiteway?

or

Will AA use the NRT slot for 767 service from HNL and use the 777 for another market? HKG? LHR?

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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:36 am

Wouldn't you do the same? After all, if you as AA run "between eight and 10 daily flights between Los Angeles and Tokyo", according to the article, why would you waste a plane from SJC  Wink ?
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
After all, if you as AA run "between eight and 10 daily flights between Los Angeles and Tokyo", according to the article,

No wonder the route loses so much money.  Smile
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:39 am

From AA's Internal site.

---FOCUS ON PROFITABILITY CONTINUES WITH HALT OF SJC-NRT ROUTE THIS FALL---
As part of the efforts to return to profitability, American will discontinue flying between San Jose, Calif. and Tokyo Narita Airport, on Oct. 28, 2006. Customers can still fly American to Tokyo Narita through other U.S. gateways, which include Los Angeles, DFW, Chicago O'Hare and New York's JFK. "This was a very difficult business decision," said Dan Garton, Executive Vice President - Marketing. "The route has been unprofitable for some time, a situation made even worse by recent spikes in the cost of jet fuel." American's 2005 jet fuel costs increased 42 percent year over year - a one-year increase of nearly $1.7 billion. That trend has continued so far in 2006.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:46 am

I would be surprised if they started a 2nd daily ord-nrt flight a lot of times they leave freight behind and a lot of it too. This flight is always maxed out with freight in and out and i would be surprised if they broke even or made a profit just hauling the freight and no pax.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
"between eight and 10 daily flights between Los Angeles and Tokyo"

I find it hard to believe that a significant number of people fly LAX-ORD-NRT or LAX-DFW-NRT. AA has only one flight and a codeshare on JAL. If you counted all of the possible routings from LAX-NRT on UA or NW, there would be far more than AA's 10 and most are meaningless since the flight would be longer and more expensive.

It appears that AA has just about given up on SJC.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:55 am

I don't know the numbers but with 8 dailies from LAX-NRT alone . . . how much overcapacity do the US airlines have going to Tokyo?
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 7:59 am

8- 10 flights day?? Actually this is how they count at AA

LA - NRT
LA - SFO (on a Mad Dog 80) - NRT
LA -ORD - NRT
LA - DFW - NRT

Sad for the spotters at SJC, but its not the end of the world. SJC airport looks to be growing about 2%/year now -- so I guess we'll have to go to SFO to watch the big planes. I think its only a matter of time before all the bay area airports max out and some one will send a 787 sized plane into SJC.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 8:04 am

i think the media made a huge boo boo, and meant with 8-10 dailies between lax and sjc, that way sjc pax had options to still fly aa to nrt via lax
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 8:19 am

If a OneWorld passenger need to get to the Bay Area and can't afford the time changing planes in LAX, take JAL NRT-SFO.

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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 8:23 am

This was expected, but its still sad to hear the final news on the SJC-NRT route.....its the latest chapter in AA's love/hate relationship with SJC. I remember when the flight was first launched, with the BOS-SJC-NRT routing......the high-tech special.

In any case, I guess that the 777s utilized on this route will be headed to MIA for use on the South American network.......wasnt one of the daily MIA-GRU flights "downgraded" to a 763 a while ago? I assume that flight will now be flown with 777 equipment.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 8:24 am

I'm not happy about this.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 8:36 am

To me, the SJC-NRT flight wasn't well positioned at SJC. I know, I know, lots of tehcies going to Japan, but there was hardly any feeder non-stop service for this flight. Then combine that with HUGE amounts of combinations and accomodations at SFO-Asia, then AA doesn't stand out very much in the bay area with their one and only longhaul flight. I think they DID has aspirations of making SJC some sort of Asian hub, with the addition of the the TPE flights, but those ambitions were quickly extinguished.

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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 9:06 am

I remember for some time DL tried a PDX-NRT run, but then dropped it and shifted the slot to LAX. at least AA has put together a descent fleet of 777s, something DL has not done and desperately needs to do. Like PDX, SJC just lacked the numbers to make such a run profitable. The only North American west coast airports that can support such a flight are LAX, SFO, SEA and YVR.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 9:21 am

Like the ORD-NGO route, this route was doomed to failure with the amount of pax and fuel needed to fill the route to make this route possible...

maybe we'll see this route restart once (if) AA gets some 787's on board..... yes 

regardless, it is quite sad to see what has happened to AA-SJC over the past few years.... Sad

Besides HA's 767 and a couple of freighters such as FX, there will be basically no more heavies @ SJC... Sad
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 9):
i think the media made a huge boo boo, and meant with 8-10 dailies between lax and sjc, that way sjc pax had options to still fly aa to nrt via lax

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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
maybe we'll see this route restart once (if) AA gets some 787's on board.....

More likely you will see a Japanese airline fly the route.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 10:52 am

If I remember right, AA really didn't want the SJC-NRT authority when it was granted. The #1 choice for them at the time was LAX-NRT, which they didn't get. In the end it was AA that did the route in, just like SJC will soon just be another small dot on their map. It just amazing what they did to the old Air Cal and Reno Air routes. And their oneworld partners are upset with them for lack of connections at LAX, which is why Qantas teams with US Airways for service to Phoenix and some points in Canada.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 11:15 am

Sad sad news - wow.

At least it had a great 15 year run. SJC really used to be a rocking airport. Its funny, I was watching TV the other night and the Rookie (Chrlie Sheen and Clint Eastwood) was on - the ending of that movie was filmed in a fairly newly opened Terminal A.

So I'm prob going to take a couple of guesses at whats next - the LAS flight i'm sure will be canceled if not coverted to Eagle. I wonder if they'll keep the Admirals Club Open? Who's going to use A1A now - is it just going to sit vacant?
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 17):

More likely you will see a Japanese airline fly the route.

hasn't stopped AA however from flying to Japan........maybe a codeshare with JL, but they still fly many of the same routes..such as ORD/JFK/LAX-NRT...
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 14):
at least AA has put together a descent fleet of 777s, something DL has not done and desperately needs to do.

remember that at the time DL was trying to be something in Asia, it had a fleet of 15 MD-11s in addition to the 777s. DL's failure on the Pacific was due to a failure to feed PDX and the bad economics of the MD-11. I would venture to say that most of the routes DL flew could work now w/ the AS codeshare and if they were flown w/ 767s.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 14):
I remember for some time DL tried a PDX-NRT run, but then dropped it and shifted the slot to LAX. at least AA has put together a descent fleet of 777s, something DL has not done and desperately needs to do. Like PDX, SJC just lacked the numbers to make such a run profitable. The only North American west coast airports that can support such a flight are LAX, SFO, SEA and YVR.

PDX supports transpac service... it is supported by some financial incentives but is probably profitable given that NW has a hub on one end and they use the A332 which is quite efficient and has decent cargo capabilities.

Quoting RIPCORDD (Reply 5):
I would be surprised if they started a 2nd daily ord-nrt flight a lot of times they leave freight behind and a lot of it too. This flight is always maxed out with freight in and out and i would be surprised if they broke even or made a profit just hauling the freight and no pax.

No US carrier can make money solely on cargo using belly capacity on a combination aircraft. The belly is too small and passenger carriers have significant costs built in related to passenger service (flight attendants, passenger service amenities, passenger terminal costs etc) that prevent a profit without carrying significant passengers. A good cargo load and full business class at full fares can certainly make a flight profitable without coach but not on cargo alone.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
hasn't stopped AA however from flying to Japan........maybe a codeshare with JL, but they still fly many of the same routes..such as ORD/JFK/LAX-NRT...

But these are decent or strong AA hubs with plenty of O&D traffic and plenty of international flights on AA widebodies. For now, SJC seems more of a spoke airport. A 777 is too much aircraft to allocate to that route if you have week feed on one side. Also it probably is a disadvantage for them operationally that they don't operate 777s on other routes out of SJC (except for positioning?). JAL would have the advantage of having a widebody base at NRT.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 12:55 pm

There can be little doubt, this service cancellation is a direct and proximate consequence of AA's compelled return to DAL following removal of Missouri and Kansas from the Wright Amendment restrictions.

If the Wright Amendment is lifted, you may be certain that AA will have to suspend all service to every Asian destination, and 2/3 of their Europe service.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting Mikesairways (Reply 19):
I wonder if they'll keep the Admirals Club Open? Who's going to use A1A now - is it just going to sit vacant?

Being an Admirals's Club Member and flying basically out of SJC, I see the AC full even early in the morning, which is well before the SJC flight...

AA is only 2nd to WN @ SJC in terms of total flights...they still have 3 mainline flights to ORD, 7 to DFW, and 3 to AUS, and 1 to SNA.....as well as the 9 Eagle flights to SAN, 10 Eagle flights to SNA, and 9 Eagle flights to LAX

They have only one LAS and NRT flight, so that would only end 2 mainline flights....

sux? Yes...end of AA @ SJC? Probably not....and they will probably keep the AC open...

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 22):
For now, SJC seems more of a spoke airport. A 777 is too much aircraft to allocate to that route if you have week feed on one side. Also it probably is a disadvantage for them operationally that they don't operate 777s on other routes out of SJC (except for positioning?). JAL would have the advantage of having a widebody base at NRT.

I agree with SJC being a spoke airport and the 777 being "too much" airplane..however, if they can get the 787-8's, I think that would do much better in terms of yields, and they can probably use that for multiple USA-NRT sectors.......as well as ORD-NGO...
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
I agree with SJC being a spoke airport and the 777 being "too much" airplane..however, if they can get the 787-8's, I think that would do much better in terms of yields, and they can probably use that for multiple USA-NRT sectors.......as well as ORD-NGO...

They will still have the problem of positioning a 787 in SJC. It's not going to be a widebody hub.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 3:14 pm

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 23):
There can be little doubt, this service cancellation is a direct and proximate consequence of AA's compelled return to DAL following removal of Missouri and Kansas from the Wright Amendment restrictions.

If the Wright Amendment is lifted, you may be certain that AA will have to suspend all service to every Asian destination, and 2/3 of their Europe service.

Hmmm... compelled? Nothing is ever compelled upon business except in the form of government regulation. All others are the forces of the market. Extrapolating a highly domestic issue onto an international arena doesn't make (at least for me) much sense.

Yes, lifting the Wright Amendment will likely have financial impact upon American on their domestic operations around their DFW hub. But international travel is an entirely different animal, with different yields and connecting points. Most of AA's intercontinental traffic operates out of LAX and ORD for transpac, ORD/JFK for transatlantic, and MIA/DFW for Latin/South America/Carribbean.

Most of these markets will be limited in impact from a Wright Amendment change. People can't fly Southwest to get to London, Antigua, or Tokyo... perhaps to a tertiary city and then transfer to the primary city (with the exception of LAX and PHL) for the ocean hop. The linkups between AA and oneworld partners provides important feed at their hubs as well (and this includes DFW).

Anyways, this is fairly off topic from the original post. Yes, it will indeed be sad for the Bay Area to lose the SJC-NRT link on AA. I remember when SJC-CDG was operating as well... now the only Bay Area link to France is the daily Air France flight.

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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Sat May 27, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 23):
There can be little doubt, this service cancellation is a direct and proximate consequence of AA's compelled return to DAL following removal of Missouri and Kansas from the Wright Amendment restrictions.

If the Wright Amendment is lifted, you may be certain that AA will have to suspend all service to every Asian destination, and 2/3 of their Europe service.

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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 7:49 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
In any case, I guess that the 777s utilized on this route will be headed to MIA for use on the South American network.......wasnt one of the daily MIA-GRU flights "downgraded" to a 763 a while ago? I assume that flight will now be flown with 777 equipment.

Correct. Until a new route is found, AA will be able to use the freed up plane and fly MIA-EZE with 777s 2x daily year-round. As AA's single most profitable route (per flight, not total), it will be welcomed additional revenue from the F cabin.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 12:06 pm

This is a very sad chapter in AA history and SJC.

Back in the good old days, SJC-NRT was a profitable route for AA for some time, although, once AA cut back at SJC large volumes of flow traffic were no longer available. The local market is not that huge, but is high yielding.

The route provided considerable synergies between the high tech centers in Asia and Silicon Valley. A considerable amount of the premium Bay Area traffic to Asia is actually closer to San Jose airport.

The breadth of service offered by UA at SFO and other foreign flag carries is certainly a challenge to international service out of SJC.

Unlike UA, AA has never really had a strong West Coast pacific gateway infrastructure. As AA has added service to Japan from interior points (DFW,ORD,JFK, LAX) the major flows that helped support SJC are probably better served from other gateways.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 3:40 pm

Well I mentioned this two weeks ago but nooooo one believed me.....

Anyway the LAS flight is also history, as far as the club, I dont think they have decided. But I would not be suprised to see it go too. ORD goes down to 2x daily as well....
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 3:49 pm

I wonder if this is the first step towards AA adopting a hub-to-hub strategy and abandoning point-to-point.

SJC-NRT seemed to be a classic point-to-point route.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 31):
I wonder if this is the first step towards AA adopting a hub-to-hub strategy and abandoning point-to-point.

SJC-NRT seemed to be a classic point-to-point route.

It is one of many recently taken steps to focus on less point-to-point, but don't be mistaken. Los Angeles, LaGuardia, and JFK will be key parts of AA's network for the long-term future, as well as Boston to a lesser extent. The future of Raleigh is hard to determine. They have been cutting back lately, and I think they will continue to. San Jose is already just a minor dot.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 7:24 pm

I'm surprised nobody here is asking what's going to happen to the NRT-slot involved? I cannot for a moment imagine that AA would let a valuable asset like that go to waste.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 33):
I'm surprised nobody here is asking what's going to happen to the NRT-slot involved? I cannot for a moment imagine that AA would let a valuable asset like that go to waste.

AA, unfortunatley, might have it go to waste or lease it out (if they can, I don't know if Narita slots can be leased like Heathrow slots). As of now, the plane is already scheduled to allow MIA-EZE to go 2x 777. This may change, of course. If anything, a second daily LAX- or ORD-NRT is likely, but with ORD-NRT getting very crowded this year (JAL just started a 2nd daily and ANA will resume the route in the fall), I don't see it happening.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Tue May 30, 2006 9:28 pm

How long can the slot go unused before they have to use it or loose it?

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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 34):
As of now, the plane is already scheduled to allow MIA-EZE to go 2x 777.

That frees up 2x 767s which will be used for .... ?
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 30):
Well I mentioned this two weeks ago but nooooo one believed me.....

Yes, you deserve full credit for this one. I knew this one was going also. I have contacts with Customs at SJC and the AA manager mentioned it to the supervisor. I tend to be a pesimist with the rumors here but sometimes these things do pan out.  spin 
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 36):
That frees up 2x 767s which will be used for .... ?

To relaunch SJC-JFK  Wink

(Hey, one can dream, right)

Incidently - there was an AA 757 here last night, was a charter from SLC - anyone know who was being chartered?
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 31):
I wonder if this is the first step towards AA adopting a hub-to-hub strategy and abandoning point-to-point.

SJC-NRT seemed to be a classic point-to-point route.

I agree. In fact if we don't see more transpacific / transatlantic flights from the likes of OAK, DIA, SJC, SAN and HAM when the 787 arrives, than I think the HUB-HUB model will have more creedence that the "bypass the hub" model.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 30):
Well I mentioned this two weeks ago but nooooo one believed me.....

Yes you did and I for one, didn't want to believe you. But you were right.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Mikesairways (Reply 38):
Incidently - there was an AA 757 here last night, was a charter from SLC - anyone know who was being chartered?

The only person of note worth in SJ is Madonna. Concert was in Vegas 27,28 and San Jose 30,31 --- doesn't seem like much time to set up the concert unless all the people and equipment is flown in. Maybe she went to SLC to be crucified or something?
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 8:18 am

Quite possibly - I'm bummed out I couldn't get tickets. I had thought that originally but i figured she'd travel in something a bit more plush.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 8):
LA - SFO (on a Mad Dog 80) - NRT

AA doesn't fly SFO-NRT

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 27):

He was making a joke based on AA's claims that the DFW-LIM flight was a casualty of the WA relaxation, which is actually very funny.

This is probably the nail in the coffin for AA with tech companies, which they have been losing strength with for quite a while. UA owns Microsoft, AOL and Cisco and the fact more techies will just drive or train it up to SFO for UA flights to Japan will lose AA that much more business
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 9:09 am

Reopen SEA-NRT? This would be a nice move to bring back this route.
Add some competition to UA and NW.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
AA doesn't fly SFO-NRT

If you use the AA website, one of the options listed for LAX to NRT is ( LAX- SFO - NRT ) , but the SFO - NRT leg says operated by JAL. You get about 10 flights listed from the AA website for LAX - NRT, with all kinds of crazy routings. I think that is how they came up with the number of routes out of LAX mentioned in the article.
 
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 10:19 am

AA is using the slot at 777 for HNL-NRT, as far as I understand it.
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting 777D (Reply 44):
Add some competition to UA and NW

Which have the market pretty well wrapped up, NW has a big Microsoft contract and NW is going to add a second daily SEA-NRT-SEA on Saturdays.
 
burnsie28
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
PDX supports transpac service... it is supported by some financial incentives but is probably profitable given that NW has a hub on one end and they use the A332 which is quite efficient and has decent cargo capabilities.

This flight is often overbooked as well. Especially tomorrow
 
tbear815
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RE: Official: AA Drops SJC-NRT Oct 28.

Wed May 31, 2006 11:32 am

These games of hubs and spokes has cost the industry billions. Between de-regulation and mileage schemes, the only ones who have profited are the self-effacing marketing people. Don't flame me.

AA started the mileage game. They gambled on SJC when they knew that UA had a stronghold at SFO. If you were paying a premium fare and wanted to break your trip in a West Coast city, would you choose SJC or SFO? AA is really small now at SFO. They used to be big. And their service was totally outstanding. The destination is still big. It's a shame the airline started thinking small and started a poorly positioned hub. WN has made SJC and OAK their own. Now all they have to do is consolidate at either OAK or SJC. Any bettors around???

Games and gambling. Not what one calls the bases of good management and marketing policies. And it's happened with all the airlines. Not just AA.

Physicians take an oath, "First, do no harm." I guess it just ain't so with the airline marketing genuises......