atlaaron
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HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 8:09 am

My fiance recently flew from ATL-PHX on HP/US on a A320 and the flight was oversold. From some people I talked to in the gate area I guess it is like that a lot.

I'm a little surprised by that. Apparently HP/US may be doing as well as the press says. Or perhaps it is because there is no FL flying there.

Any thoughts?
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 8:13 am

It's a great route for them also because Southwest doesn't fly into ATL either. This is definitely a route they should do well on. The only experience I have with this was on the LAX-PHX segment with the flight continuing on to ATL. There was definitely a full load.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Thread starter):
Apparently HP/US may be doing as well as the press says.

Umm, do you think the press is making this up?

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atlaaron
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 2):
Umm, do you think the press is making this up?

Do you believe everything you hear or read in this industry? I certainly don't.
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 8:36 am

PHX-ATL has been a successful and profitable route for HP.

They're also shortly adding a 5th daily roundtrip on the route.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
PHX-ATL has been a successful and profitable route for HP.

How about LAS-ATL for them? Same thing?
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 8:58 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 5):

How about LAS-ATL for them? Same thing?

No, LAS-ATL is a mediocre performer, nothing special.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 4):
They're also shortly adding a 5th daily roundtrip on the route.

They actually has a fifth dailty flight for a couple of months, it was operating at a redeye out of Phoenix, leaving about 1115 or so... I can tell you, it was never even close to half full... so I am not sure why they're bringing it back, but apparently someone saw some good in it.
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 5):

How about LAS-ATL for them? Same thing?


No, LAS-ATL is a mediocre performer, nothing special.

Really? 611 is almost always full. I know full planes doesn't always translate into profitable flights, but people are flying us. We just recently converted one our morning PHX flights into a direct flight to ATL. Even 619, the night flight inbound is usually full. My impression is that ATL has been a flight we could bank on for success. I don't know how many frequences DL throws at Vegas, especially with one of them being a 767, that's gotta be tricky to compete against. FL also does a few flights too that we compete against.

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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 3):
Do you believe everything you hear or read in this industry? I certainly don't.

So are you saying US is still doing badly?

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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
Really? 611 is almost always full. I know full planes doesn't always translate into profitable flights

Bingo.  Wink

I never said that HP didn't get a good load factor on LAS-ATL; it does. But the yields positively *suck*. Put the two together, and you get a mediocre flight. It's not awful, and it's not great.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 10):
I never said that HP didn't get a good load factor on LAS-ATL; it does. But the yields positively *suck*. Put the two together, and you get a mediocre flight. It's not awful, and it's not great.

I wouldn't be surprised if yields "suck" on most HP routes out of LAS.
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 9):
So are you saying US is still doing badly?

Umm I do not believe he said that at all, he simply responded with a VERY logical answer. Please don't tell me you believe every single thing you read now do you? You could have been a little nicer and simply said yes what he was reading was in fact true, that US is doing better than before, and moved on.

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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 11):
I wouldn't be surprised if yields "suck" on most HP routes out of LAS.

Would the same hold true for WN?
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 12):
Umm I do not believe he said that at all, he simply responded with a VERY logical answer. Please don't tell me you believe every single thing you read now do you? You could have been a little nicer and simply said yes what he was reading was in fact true, that US is doing better than before, and moved on.

Thank you. Correct, of course I believe US is doing well/better. It was just a comment about the press.
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 13):
Would the same hold true for WN?

Most likely. But nothing is too low yield for WN.  Wink
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
But nothing is too low yield for WN.

Apparently ATL, JFK, EWR, LGA, SFO, and DFW are.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 11:07 am

Actually in September the 17:15 flight to PHX is upgraded to a 757. ATL does really well to both PHX and LAS. There just isn't the aircraft available to dramatically increase service.
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 16):
Apparently ATL, JFK, EWR, LGA, SFO, and DFW are.

Low yield is not the reason they are not in those markets.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 18):
Low yield is not the reason they are not in those markets.

Actually, yield is the closest thing the airline biz has to a bottom line - if you can't make money on a flight, then you shouldn't operate it. WN doesn't think it can make money on these flights overall, so they don't fly there.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 19):
Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 18):
Low yield is not the reason they are not in those markets.

Actually, yield is the closest thing the airline biz has to a bottom line - if you can't make money on a flight, then you shouldn't operate it. WN doesn't think it can make money on these flights overall, so they don't fly there.

Correct, however WN seems to charge around the same fares by distance in all their markets (excluding the new ones). When the loads aren't there is when WN doesn't make money.
 
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 19):
Actually, yield is the closest thing the airline biz has to a bottom line - if you can't make money on a flight, then you shouldn't operate it. WN doesn't think it can make money on these flights overall, so they don't fly there.

For the aforementioned airports, there are many individual factors that combine to show why WN hasn't started service there. No destination on that list would really classify as the common 'low yield' destination such as LAS (they certainly dont have a problem flying there).

For instance, WN pulled out of SFO in favor of OAK/SJC and one of the reasons was delays. As for the others, the main factor would be the competition and not the 'low yield destination'.
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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 12):
Umm I do not believe he said that at all,

But it could be implied that way.

It first started with his remarks of...

Quoting ATLAaron (Thread starter):
Apparently HP/US may be doing as well as the press says.

From that I got the feeling that he didn't think US was doing to hot.

So I asked him this...

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 2):
Umm, do you think the press is making this up?

It was a simple question that related directly to his remarks.

He followed up with saying...

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 3):
Do you believe everything you hear or read in this industry? I certainly don't.

Which implied the he doesn't believe the press, and in return, doesn't think US is doing very well.

So with that being said, I asked him this...

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 9):
So are you saying US is still doing badly?

Which goes along perfectly with all these quotes that have been said.

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 12):
You could have been a little nicer and simply said yes what he was reading was in fact true, that US is doing better than before, and moved on.

I personally don't feel my remarks where armful, and if you, or he, took offence to what I said, then well, I don't know what to say.

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 14):
It was just a comment about the press.

No it wasn't. It was directly related to the well-being of US.

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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sat May 27, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 22):
From that I got the feeling that he didn't think US was doing to hot.

Yes but notice his statement only says that they are doing good, maybe in fact he didn't think they were doing all that great.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 22):
It was a simple question that related directly to his remarks.

Its a simple question with a kind of sarcastic reply, you sound like your talking to an idiot in which I'm sure hes not. Besides the way you handled that was kinda rude, you could have instead confirmed that US was doing good and to believe the stories he reads because Doug Parker is doing a great job at US.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 22):
Which implied the he doesn't believe the press, and in return, doesn't think US is doing very well.

It does not say that at all, he was not defending himself cause your replies have never answered his originally questions without badgering him a little. He never expressed that he thought US was doing badly just that he didn't know if the press was hyping up little success (because we all know the press NEVER hypes up anything, shoot they loved JetBlue til they didn't make money then they went all dooms day on them).

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 22):
I personally don't feel my remarks where armful, and if you, or he, took offence to what I said, then well, I don't know what to say.

Well when I make armful remarks I usually apologize or at least give the person the satisfaction of answering there question tastefully.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 22):
No it wasn't. It was directly related to the well-being of US.

So now your calling him a liar and putting words in his mouth? MAYBE he was just referring to the press, like he said.

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RE: HP/US Into ATL

Sun May 28, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
My impression is that ATL has been a flight we could bank on for success. I don't know how many frequences DL throws at Vegas, especially with one of them being a 767, that's gotta be tricky to compete against. FL also does a few flights too that we compete against.

Between FL and DL, there are 10 regularly scheduled RTs on the route a day (DL does have some frequencies that aren't dailies). Of these 10 regular flights, only 4 of them are on widebodies (763s); FL's three flights are on 73Gs, and DL's other 3 flights are using 752s.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 11):

I wouldn't be surprised if yields "suck" on most HP routes out of LAS.

Just wait until the flights to Hawaii start. Flights to Las Vegas and Hawaii are among the most popular routes for frequent flyers to cash their miles in for, which is why for most airline employees, non-revving on those flights are practically impossible, as between the frequent flyer tickets and the general popularity of those places anyway (Both of my flights in the past to LAS from ATL have been full, and one of these was on Easter Sunday), open seats are few and far between.

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