gilesdavies
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Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Sun May 28, 2006 7:14 pm

Going back a few years ago American Airlines were all in the press over here about how they were inproving their Economy legroom by removing loads of seats and boasting I think up to 35 inches of legroom...

Does the airline still boast this sort of leg room on their 777's and 763's accross the Atlantic?

The only time I have flown AA was when on holiday in the US we used them for a domestic flight LAX-LAS on a "Super 80"in 2004! I have to say it was one of the most comfy and generously proportioned Y seats I have flown in with excellent legroom to match which had beat any Trans-Atlantic flight I had been on...

The seats were a real comfy with a nice fabic in the company colours with blue leather headrests. Even though I knew the MD-80's were not the newest of aircrafts it had a new smell to it, and makes me think it had recently been refurbished.

Could I expect similar levels of comfort accross the Atlantic? Or has this all changed in view of rising fuel costs and airlines loosing money by the bucket load they need to increase revenue?
 
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Sun May 28, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Could I expect similar levels of comfort accross the Atlantic? Or has this all changed in view of rising fuel costs and airlines loosing money by the bucket load they need to increase revenue?

What you're talking about was a program dubbed "More Room Throughout Coach" or MRTC. It was a failure and AA has added back seats to reduce that legroom on almost all of it's aircraft. So no, I wouldn't expect similar levels of comfort.
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Sun May 28, 2006 8:57 pm

I had the more legroom product on the 777s we flew on from LHR to JFK and back last summer. And damn nice it was too.

Shame if they are getting rid of it. While AA's international economy product n the main is pretty poor, I'd fly them transatlantic on my own money anytime for the very reason that i was halfway comfortable in my seat. Far more important than decent IFE or food on a long haul flight in my eyes.
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Sun May 28, 2006 9:57 pm

Less Room Through Coach replaced More Room Through Coach a few years back........it is missed, especially on longer haul segments. That being said, the comfort level on AA in economy is about the same as most other international carriers, no better and no worse than other European or US carriers flying over the Atlantic.
 
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Sun May 28, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Going back a few years ago American Airlines were all in the press over here about how they were inproving their Economy legroom by removing loads of seats and boasting I think up to 35 inches of legroom...

Those where the days. Toward the end of the MRTC program I had put about 60,000 miles in my AA account over a span of 18 months. Probably meant as much to AA as it would to the average poster on FT, but it was a fair amount to me. Then they got rid of MRTC and the honeymoon was over. That was the ONLY thing that made AA stand out in a positive way. Otherwise they're no better than any other US airline and worse than WN, F9, B6, and UA's E+.  Sad

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
It was a failure and AA has added back seats to reduce that legroom on almost all of it's aircraft.

At the time they decided to get rid of it, nearly every US airline was still doing worse than the pre-2001 days. Like most of their recent trials, they give it a little while to go gangbusters and then killed it as soon as they had second thoughts. At least, that's the way I feel about MRTC/LRTC and their recent on-again off-again service to various international destinations.
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Sun May 28, 2006 11:13 pm

You must remember....AA's regular seating Inch per seat was 31inches.

They added MRTC and that extended the Seat pitch to 32-34 inches. By removing 2 rows of seats in each aircraft.

Now they did return LRTC but only added one row of seats back, making it 32 inches and 2 rows back on the 757 making it 31 inches. So MD80, 738, 767 and 777 have 32 in coach, and 757 and A300 have 31.

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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Sun May 28, 2006 11:31 pm

I did the 777 JFK-LHR back in April and I'm 6'3" and had a very comfy ride over. I had about 2" of legroom to spare so you should be fine.
 
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 1:02 am

I'm 6'2" and fly AA across the atlantic on the 777s about 8 times a year and as recently as 2 weeks ago and I must say that the leg room is more than enough in economy. The 757s leave a lot to be desired since the tray tables cannot come down properly when I am seated.

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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Less Room Through Coach replaced More Room Through Coach a few years back........it is missed, especially on longer haul segments. That being said, the comfort level on AA in economy is about the same as most other international carriers, no better and no worse than other European or US carriers flying over the Atlantic.

You should fly Economy plus on UA and then you'll will appreciate the extra legroom in Y, without having to pay a higher fare, i.e if you were flying BA or VS.
 
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 9):
You should fly Economy plus on UA and then you'll will appreciate the extra legroom in Y, without having to pay a higher fare, i.e if you were flying BA or VS.

Not true, unless the OP is a United elite member or a Star Alliance Silver or Gold member.

Economy Plus is reserved for United and *A elite frequent flyers, and for those who have chosen to purchase Economy Plus access either for the year with a special card, or per-flight on a space-available upcharge basis. Unless you're elite, you have to pay extra for E+.
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 10):
Not true, unless the OP is a United elite member or a Star Alliance Silver or Gold member.

Economy Plus is reserved for United and *A elite frequent flyers, and for those who have chosen to purchase Economy Plus access either for the year with a special card, or per-flight on a space-available upcharge basis. Unless you're elite, you have to pay extra for E+.

Errr...not totally correct, granted, those you refer to above will get precedence on going into E plus but you will find a lot are not in those seats as well.
 
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 7:32 am

Not unless the flight is booked solid. Given that E+ now is offered as an extra-cost perk, United is being very particular about who sits in E+. The presence of empty middle seats in E+ is marketed as a benefit. Another way to get into E+ is to buy a Y or B "full-fare" coach ticket.

If you're in Economy Minus and you try to change seats at the gate to E+, you'll be refused unless you pay the upcharge. If you're in an E- seat and you try to move up into an empty E+ seat mid-flight, the FAs will stop you and tell you to return to your seat. I have seen it happen.

The only way to guarantee yourself a seat in Economy Plus is to pay extra or be elite. Otherwise it's a crapshoot.
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 1:19 pm

When AA went to MRTC, the belief was that it could get a better mix of business and leisure travelers, i.e., more business travelers and fewer leisure travelers, so that the higher number of business flyers would more than make up for the decrease in revenue caused by the removal of 10 to 18 seats.

Believe or not, a lot of AA's union people thought that MRTC was a bad idea from the start, because it increased unit costs.

I think the main problem was that AA only marketed MRTC in its hub cities and other cities in which it had a major presence. There was no national marketing campaign.

I know people in Atlanta that never heard about MRTC until AA announced that it was getting rid of it, because AA never bought national TV spots. One friend of mine, who flies to both ORD and DFW frequently, would have been willing to flirt with the loss of Medallion status to get extra legroom on AA.
 
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 1:27 pm

I'm a tall guy, and fly AA coach every month or so MIA - EZE, GRU, SCL - usually 777 or 763. I find the legroom definitely feels more adequate for me than LAN, TAM, Varig, or Aerolineas Argentinas. My only complaint is that you can't recline the seat more than a couple of degrees - so you cannot plan on seriously working after an overnight flight.
 
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 6:58 pm

AA 777s are my favorite plane to fly when I fly from FRA to DFW and back. The leg room didn't feel any different than their domestic product when I flew on a 752 from DFW to LAS last summer. More leg room than I remember on LH though. On AA it's pretty much standard across the board IMO...
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RE: Legroom In Economy On AA Long Haul...

Mon May 29, 2006 7:31 pm

Legroom on AA in economy is just like it is on most other US carriers. It is tight. Period. The More Room Throughout Coach program was dropped a few years back as American cut capacity by grounding some aircraft and as a result, the program was decomissioned.

I flew AA from JFK to EZE and back last fall (one of the longest 767-300ER flights in the world) and the service was pitiful for such a long flight.

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