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LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 2:02 am

Anyone know when LH is to start taking delivery of their new A346s (7 total, right)? We're going to get one here in Chicago operating LH433 to FRA at the end of the summer through October. Interesting that these will now be fitted with an F cabin.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting LHUSA (Thread starter):

Question: Will the A346 on the ORD flight have F, or did you just make a general statement about the new aircraft getting F ?
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 5:22 am

Oops. Both, actually. All of the new A346s will be configured with F and we will be getting this new version on the late ORD-FRA flight.

On a side note, I hope LH433 continues in to the winter schedule like it did two years ago. Apparently, it didn't run last year simply due to aircraft shortages. Now that these new airbuses are coming on line, maybe we'll see the flight year-round.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 5:26 am

Sorry to change the topic some but since the A340-600s will be installed with F class does that mean they can now be used to JFK? I recall the reason why they are currently not used to JFK is because they lack the F product which is key for the FRA/MUC-JFK routes.

[Edited 2006-05-28 22:30:11]
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Sorry to change the topic some but since the A340-600s will be installed with F class does that mean they can now be used to JFK? I recall the reason why they are currently not used to JFK is because they lack the F product which is key for the FRA/MUC-JFK routes.

I bet you're right. This will finally give LH the extra capacity and F seating together in something other than the 744. I haven't heard anything about where these new planes are going (except ORD), but I think that JFK-MUC would be a perfect fit for the aircraft and a very strong possibility.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 5:52 am

The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s? Any Pictures?
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Sorry to change the topic some but since the A340-600s will be installed with F class does that mean they can now be used to JFK? I recall the reason why they are currently not used to JFK is because they lack the F product which is key for the FRA/MUC-JFK routes.

[Edited 2006-05-28 22:30:11]

But didnt LH acquire the A333s and install the low-density interior with the F cabin specifically for the Germany-US East coast services? The A333s are prefectly suited for these segments.....and wouldnt the A346s be used for longer range routes out of FRA or MUC (in some cases, taking over from A343s which can be used for new routes or frequencies) ?
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Phaeton (Reply 5):
The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s?

Lufthansa introduced the new F-class together with the A380 order.
Originally they planned to get rid of their F-class and rather have an attractive c-class product on the market (the first 10 A346 and A333 were the first planes to carry out this plan) but after it became clear, that the F-class market is growing a lot, LH changed it´s plans and decided to get a new F-class.
I always thought, that it will be introduced with their first A380, but maybe they changed their plans. BTW, when is the first of the 7 new ordered A346´s going to fly for LH?
I think the plan is to install the new F-class on every long-haul plane...
please correct me if I am wrong, my sources for information are mostly quite reliable, but there always could be something wrong.

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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
But didnt LH acquire the A333s and install the low-density interior with the F cabin specifically for the Germany-US East coast services? The A333s are prefectly suited for these segments.....and wouldnt the A346s be used for longer range routes out of FRA or MUC (in some cases, taking over from A343s which can be used for new routes or frequencies) ?


The A330-300s are a great aircraft for the route but by using the A340-600, Lufthansa would be able to sell more seats on a very high density route. There has already been speculation that JFK will be one of the first routes for Lufthansa on the A380.

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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 8:46 am

Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?

I can't seem to find it.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?

I can't seem to find it. I am guessing late 2006 and early 2007.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 2:50 pm

The first routes of the new A340-600 will be LH 432 FRA-ORD and LH 754 FRA-BLR
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting Phaeton (Reply 5):
The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s? Any Pictures?

LH wants to introduce its new F-class together with the introduction of the A380.

Quoting LH492 (Reply 7):
I always thought, that it will be introduced with their first A380, but maybe they changed their plans. BTW, when is the first of the 7 new ordered A346�s going to fly for LH?

I guess they just take some "old" F-class seats from spares until the new F-class arrives with the beginning of the 2008 summer schedule.

Quoting LH492 (Reply 7):
10 A346 and A333 were the first planes to carry out this plan) but after it became clear, that the F-class market is growing a lot, LH changed it�s plans and decided to get a new F-class.

I think that's route-dependent. Some routes justify an F-class compartment and some not ...
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 4:18 pm

Lufthansa's lack of equipment has been endemic for a couple of seasons now. This summer, the airline is not operating a planned thrice weekly FRA CPT A343 service (like it did last year) because of lack of aircraft, and so there is no LH presence at CPT for the first time in many years. Also, services to GRU and BKK have been reduced, largely because of lack of equipment.

The addition of the seven A346 frames will only go so far in providing relief to the aircraft shortages. Two A332s need to be replaced first of all, and the FRA GRU SCL rotation will be reinstated effective the winter schedule. As such there will be very little room for growth, although there are plenty of markets in the LH network which are screaming for extra capacity.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 4:42 pm

Let's assume LH Had the airplanes available, still they would not have the crews to operate them. Even this minor expansion will cause problems like LH is not able to react fullf to the opportunities they have in Europe.

This is proven by their desperate search to find crews and/or airv´craft to manage the continental expansion, going so far as to risk a seriuos fight with the pilot's union!
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 5:48 pm

Quoting DABVF (Reply 12):
LH 754 FRA-BLR

Wow - BLR upgraded to a 346 with First class!! Good - there should be less pressure on J class now.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 6:34 pm

Quoting Phaeton (Reply 5):
The First Class they are installing on the A346 surely must be a newly developed product. Have any other LH planes received it and is it going to be installed on other A340s and B747s? Any Pictures?

as stated above, LH will install new F- and very likely new M-Class seating with the arrival of the A380. this is pretty much confirmed...

Quoting LH492 (Reply 7):
Originally they planned to get rid of their F-class

I assume you only mean in selected markets, as there has not been, not even for a split second, a consideration to scrap F-Class altogether. there are some markets which still do not justify a First Class for LH. however, as LH has been putting more efforts to attract First Class passengers (the dedicated terminal, etc.) in the last years, First Class bookings have rebounded significantly.

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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 17):

as stated above, LH will install new F- and very likely new M-Class seating with the arrival of the A380. this is pretty much confirmed...

If you take a look at the back of the Eco-seats installed on the A333 and A346s it seems pretty obvious what is going to happen to eco-class. Introduction of the A380 will bring PTVs into eco-class because the support in terms of mounting seems to be there already ...


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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
Lufthansa's lack of equipment has been endemic for a couple of seasons now. This summer, the airline is not operating a planned thrice weekly FRA CPT A343 service (like it did last year) because of lack of aircraft, and so there is no LH presence at CPT for the first time in many years. Also, services to GRU and BKK have been reduced, largely because of lack of equipment.

There have actually been some rumours on the flyertalk LH/LX forums that LH intends to convert 4 of their A300-600s to intercontinental layouts with business class for flights to Almaty etc. This may relieve some of the long haul aircraft shortage. I wonder if anyone has more news on these plans or can at least confirm them?
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon May 29, 2006 11:17 pm

Airtropolis, you are right these A300s will fly to AMM, CAI, ALA, AGB.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting DABVF (Reply 12):
The first routes of the new A340-600 will be LH 432 FRA-ORD and LH 754 FRA-BLR

Well, if FRA-ORD starts with such aircraft in late summer, the first one(s) will likely be delivered a week or so earlier.
Maybe somebody could post the exact start date for the A346 FRA-ORD route with F ?

Mayrhuber has recently said in interviews that F is extremely important for them.

Also, the combination of intercontinental F flights together with a bizjet hop inside Europe has developed much better than LH and NetJets thought.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 4):
think that JFK-MUC would be a perfect fit for the aircraft and a very strong possibility.

Do you happen to know more about the load factors ?
I flew MUC-JFK in May last year (A343) and I tell you no seat was left open.

Also, I think an additional A346 in MUC could be combined with the A346 to SFO, but that route currently has no F. Could F be viable on MUC-SFO ?

With some schedule adjustments, 2 A346s would be needed in MUC for JFK and SFO routes: aircraft would fly MUC-JFK-MUC-SFO-MUC. This can be done in 48 hours.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 12:56 am

LH 432/433 to Chicago with new LH A346 is to start on Friday September 16, 2006

LH 754/755 to Bangalore with new LH A346 will start on Sunday October 15, 2006
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting Airtropolis (Reply 19):
There have actually been some rumours on the flyertalk LH/LX forums that LH intends to convert 4 of their A300-600s to intercontinental layouts with business class for flights to Almaty etc. This may relieve some of the long haul aircraft shortage. I wonder if anyone has more news on these plans or can at least confirm them?

My information is, that only two (2!) Airbus A300-600C (AB6) will be converted to Airbus A300-600 with intercontiental layout (ABA). These two aircrafts will be DAIAM and DAIAP
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 11):
Quoting BlrBird (Reply 9):
Does anyone know delivery schedule for all the 7 aircrafts?

I can't seem to find it. I am guessing late 2006 and early 2007.

Deliverance will be

D-AIHM August 2006
D-AIHN September 2006
D-AIHO October 2006
D-AIHP November 2006
D-AIHQ January 2007
D-AIHR February 2007
D-AIHS March 2007
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 21):
Also, I think an additional A346 in MUC could be combined with the A346 to SFO, but that route currently has no F. Could F be viable on MUC-SFO ?

You are absolutely right. MUC-SFO will be changed to Airbus A340-642 (34D) with F-Class within Sommer-Schedule 2007.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
Lufthansa's lack of equipment has been endemic for a couple of seasons now.

Yeah, but they seem very reluctant to do anything against it. I am very excited about LH´s new long range order and can´t wait to its announcement.
LH has a history of being short on long haul aircraft.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Dairy (Reply 23):
My information is, that only two (2!) Airbus A300-600C (AB6) will be converted to Airbus A300-600 with intercontiental layout (ABA). These two aircrafts will be DAIAM and DAIAP

Those will be replacing the A332s then, I presume. LH did fly these aircraft transatlantic a couple of years ago. At a certain point, BOS was served with the A300s.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Dairy (Reply 25):
You are absolutely right. MUC-SFO will be changed to Airbus A340-642 (34D) with F-Class within Sommer-Schedule 2007.

Thanks for this information.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Dairy (Reply 23):
My information is, that only two (2!) Airbus A300-600C (AB6) will be converted to Airbus A300-600 with intercontiental layout (ABA). These two aircrafts will be DAIAM and DAIAP

Curious, those two are A300B4-603s, not extended range A300B4-605Rs. How many -605Rs has LH still left? I checked Airfleets and it shows that LH still has two ex EK -605Rs (D-AIAY and D-AIAZ). Why not use those for an intercontinental layout conversion instead of the -603s?

[Edited 2006-05-29 22:06:00]
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:10 am

A week or two ago I flew FRA-KIX-FRA on LH A346s [D-AIHF, D-AIHK] (out in Economy and back in Business) and they seemed to have aged quickly. I hope their new ones will last a bit longer...
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:16 am

I thougt airlines were having problems with the A346 @ ORD? Have the turning problems been resolved or are is LH just going ahead anyways?
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting LEO777 (Reply 31):
I thougt airlines were having problems with the A346 @ ORD? Have the turning problems been resolved or are is LH just going ahead anyways?

I thought the same thing, but I guess it's just some restrictions as to which runways and taxiways the plane is permitted to use. I've seen IB's A346 in Chicago on several occasions, so ORD can accomodate them. Also, I know the LH ground staff at ORD are already all certified to handle the A346.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting PM (Reply 30):
A week or two ago I flew FRA-KIX-FRA on LH A346s [D-AIHF, D-AIHK] (out in Economy and back in Business) and they seemed to have aged quickly. I hope their new ones will last a bit longer...

Perhaps it is due for a decent spring-clean, as in C-check...  Smile
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Tue May 30, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
and the FRA GRU SCL rotation will be reinstated effective the winter schedule.

Currently there's the following in LH's winter timetable:
- LH 526 (A346) daily FRA-GRU-SCL
- LX 096 (A343) 5pw ZRH-GRU-SCL

Q: Does the market "SCL" really warrant to send 12 a/c on that continuation "GRU-SCL" ? Plus the leg GRU-SCL will be flown at almost the same times. Sofar I had been under the impression. that loadfactors on LH´s A346 on GRU-SCL were that low, that they discontinued their own service in favour to putting their pax from FRA onto the LX flight.

Or are BOTH flights listed in the timetable right now, as LH will decide later what they really will fly on the GRU-SCL sector ?

Quoting Buslover (Reply 20):
AGB

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Quoting Dairy (Reply 24):
Deliverance will be

Tnx for the insights.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 29):
LH still has two ex EK -605Rs (D-AIAY and D-AIAZ). Why not use those for an intercontinental layout conversion instead of the -603s?

Word has it that these exact a/c are not too reliable and go tech more often than the -603 (reason unknown to me). In case that is true, it would be more difficult to find a suitable replacement everytime one of the a/c goes tech ...
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Wed May 31, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Buslover (Reply 20):
Airtropolis, you are right these A300s will fly to AMM, CAI, ALA, AGB.

LH will not be operating the AB6 to CAI, instead CAI which until recently saw the A330 operate it's 14x weekly services, now has the A343 operating 2 flights due to A330 shortage. The AB6 simply doesn't have enough seats in Y and more importantly won't have F class; both fundamental in the CAI market.

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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Wed May 31, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting Dairy (Reply 24):
Deliverance will be

D-AIHM August 2006
D-AIHN September 2006
D-AIHO October 2006
D-AIHP November 2006
D-AIHQ January 2007
D-AIHR February 2007
D-AIHS March 2007

Dairy, thanks for the info.
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:59 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 35):

LH will not be operating the AB6 to CAI, instead CAI which until recently saw the A330 operate it's 14x weekly services, now has the A343 operating 2 flights due to A330 shortage. The AB6 simply doesn't have enough seats in Y and more importantly won't have F class; both fundamental in the CAI market.

Actually, the AB6 is already loaded in the computer reservation systems for next winter to CAI. The aircraft will operate a daily terminator service LH582/583 FRA CAI FRA, while the other CAI service (LH584/585 and LH652/653 depending on the day of the week) will operate with A333.

In other news regarding the A346 at LH, the airline will bring the A346 to Cape Town next winter. The daily FRA CPT FRA nonstop service LH576/577 will operate with the A346 as opposed to the A343 last winter. This summer, the CPT service is not operating because of aircraft shortage. Normally, Lufthansa operates thrice weekly CPT services in summer, and planned to do so this winter as well but the service was withdrawn at the last moment.
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:43 pm

Quoting Dairy (Reply 24):
Deliverance will be

D-AIHM August 2006
D-AIHN September 2006
D-AIHO October 2006
D-AIHP November 2006
D-AIHQ January 2007
D-AIHR February 2007
D-AIHS March 2007

Just a question: will those aircraft be A340-600 HGWs or standard A346s?
 
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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:11 am

HB-IWC, Thanks for the update. I just noticed the change on the schedule. A definite surprise but more of a disappointment. I was seriously planning to fly LH on the route this summer but I will actually take my business elsewhere after this move.

Horus

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RE: LH's New A346 Delivery?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 38):
Just a question: will those aircraft be A340-600 HGWs or standard A346s?

Now that the A346HGW has been certified, all deliveries onwards will be HGW versions, IIRC.
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