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Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Mon May 29, 2006 6:14 pm

Harmony eyes regional jets
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Published: Saturday, May 27, 2006

Upstart Harmony Airways is considering buying regional jets to expand its North American footprint without needlessly stepping on the toes of Air Canada and WestJet Airlines Ltd.

Gary Collins, Harmony's chief executive and a former minister of finance of British Columbia, said the 70- to 110-seat jets made by Bombardier Inc. or Brazil's Embraer SA are a cost-effective way for the Vancouver-based carrier to build a domestic network to feed planned Asian routes.

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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Mon May 29, 2006 8:06 pm

110 seat jets made by Bombardier? 900X?
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 4:53 am

It would have been nice to see Harmony launch the C-Series. But what markets would Harmony target to feed into YVR? And would Harmony's main Asian base be YVR or would they want to operate flights out of YYC and YYZ as well?
 
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 4:56 am

HQ is going to start YVR-YYC with a Voaygeur Airways CRJ-100.

http://www.harmonyairways.com/about_harmonyairways/company_info.shtml

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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 5:14 am

I imagine they would use them for routes to Alberta and the Western United States to feed their upcoming Asian flights and those of their partner airlines. I can see them using the RJs to YYC, OAK and PSP as well as opening up newer markets (ie. SMF, GEG).

I wonder if they would start a feeder type carrier or would they be "mainline" HQ?
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 1):
110 seat jets made by Bombardier? 900X?

Wouldn't that be a marketing coup, a Canadian airline launching a Canadian 100-seater...?
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 3):
HQ is going to start YVR-YYC with a Voaygeur Airways CRJ-100.

Any idea what the service will be on this flight? Will the F/A be a Harmony employee or Voyageur?
 
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 10:12 am

Answers Re: Harmony / Voyageur YYC Service

There were recent HQ f/a interviews and during the process candidates were asked if they would be interested in working the regional service - f/d are all Voyageur crew. Those candidates that prefered this as well as those that could not be fit into the "mainline" class were then interviewed by the Voyageur f/a mgr. The successful candidates will now do CRJ training with Voyageur and effectively be Voyageur f/a's. As to service, all new f/a's will be made to complete HQ service training.

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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 10:45 am

Well some of the guys are moving over from the voyageur dash-7 and 8s onto the RJ.The company has also said it may purchase more RJs depending on how well the YYC flights turn out to serve other cities such as YLW,and YEG.This came right from a voyageur pilot I spoke to at YEG.
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 1:14 pm

Isnt Jetlink looking for a new partner?
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 5):
Wouldn't that be a marketing coup, a Canadian airline launching a Canadian 100-seater...?

In Canada, maybe. If Aeroflot buys a new Russian jet, I doubt you'll hear much about it elsewhere but in Russia.

In a way it's already expected that a Canadia airline will buy a Canadian aircraft, so it won't stir things up much.

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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Vancouver-based carrier to build a domestic network to feed planned Asian routes.

That caught my attention. Planned Asian routes?
I hope not using 757s. Are they looking to bring in some used 767s, A332s or get some new planes?
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 5:31 pm

HMY has been shopping around for aircraft to fly planned asian flights.A ex evergreen 747-200 was looked at but then passed on.It looks like it will be either 763s or 332s from what I have heared.
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Tue May 30, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 10):

Well... except that Air Canada is the only airline in Canada buying from Bombardier (IIRC), and they also have a sizable fleet of Embraers now. I think the ERJ-170 would probably be the best suited for Harmony as far as the Embraer regional jets go and based on their estimated size requirement. If they wanted a similarly sized CRJ, they'd have to get a 700.

Lets see how their Voyageur service goes first. Whether they like it or not, YYC-YVR steps on the toes of Westjet and Air Canada and Westjet has quite a firm footing. Their excellent service might be what's necessary in filling their planes, since though their intentions are to eventually connect to pacific routes, they have none as of yet. And I don't think there will be many people in Calgary planning on taking HMY from YYC to YVR and then on to YYZ when there's plenty of direct flights.
 
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Wed May 31, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 3):
HQ is going to start YVR-YYC with a Voaygeur Airways CRJ-100.

Do you think the aircraft that will be operating the YVR-YYC flights be painted in a Harmony scheme or will it remain Voyageur?

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 8):
The company has also said it may purchase more RJs

Which company? Voyageur? Why would they do that when Harmony is looking at acquiring its own regionals?

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 12):
A ex evergreen 747-200

Too bad...It would be great to see another Canadian registered 747, even if it is a 200 series.

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 13):
Their excellent service might be what's necessary in filling their planes, since though their intentions are to eventually connect to pacific routes, they have none as of yet. And I don't think there will be many people in Calgary planning on taking HMY from YYC to YVR and then on to YYZ when there's plenty of direct flights.

Well said - I think they should establish the Asian routes and then set up the regional network. Their prices on the YVR-YYC are not even competitive as of now.
 
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Wed May 31, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 12):
It looks like it will be either 763s or 332s from what I have heared.

767-300ER 5875nm
A330-200 6750nm

Since they are already using Boeings maybe they will go for 763s but from the market/range stand point the A332 has the legs for really allowing expansion.

A 763 and A332 both would allow for Japan, Korea, Northern China and Australia via HNL.
But the A332 by itself can do all of China, Vietnam and with limits Thailand.

As for regionals. I would bet CRJs. Nothing about being from Canada but with getting slots and meeting their need. EMB would be good but they seem to be kind of full. Bombardier needs some orders on something.
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RE: Harmony Eyes Regional Jets

Wed May 31, 2006 1:10 pm

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Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 14):
Do you think the aircraft that will be operating the YVR-YYC flights be painted in a Harmony scheme or will it remain Voyageur?

I would think it would be painted in HQ colors for brand recognition, but of course you never really know  wink 

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 13):
except that Air Canada is the only airline in Canada buying from Bombardier (IIRC),

Porter/REGCO too  Smile

Quoting Centrair (Reply 15):
As for regionals. I would bet CRJs. Nothing about being from Canada but with getting slots and meeting their need. EMB would be good but they seem to be kind of full. Bombardier needs some orders on something.

Well with the recent mass exodus of CRJ's at the same time, HQ/Voyageur can pick up some fairly new machines for a reasonable price  Smile Alot of new exotic airlines are planning or are picking up CRJ'S (Georgian National, Belavia, That new Mexican start up)

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