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Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:13 am

AA has a very large fleet of B-757-200s. Most are less than 12 years old. AA is currently modifying the B-757-200s they own/lease (with RR engines) with winglets.

However, when AA bought TWA, the also received almost new TW B-757-200s (with P&W engines). These are some of the last B-757s built. IIRC, TW ordered these airplanes in 1998-2000. AA continued to take delivery of these airplanes from Boeing after they bought TWA. So, these B-757s have plenty of years of service left in them.

I know that because the TW B-757s really don't fit in the AA fleet as not only are the engines different, but so is the avionics suits. But, the question remains, will AA modify these airplanes with winglets along with the original AA airplanes?

Even if AA eventually sells these B-757s, or returns them to the lease holders, AA still plans on flying them for at least a few more years. The winglet modification will pay for itself within 6-12 months, depending on utilization. The winglets will also increase the value of these jets. The winglet mod gives around a 5-7% reduced fuel comsumption, and at least a 7% decrease in drag. Even if fuel prices go back to $30 per barrel (yeah, right), the improved fuel economy of winglet equipped airplanes will still be better than like types without winglets.
 
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:23 am

I dont believe the ex TWA birds will see winglets as they are due to come off lease between 2007-2009. In 2007 alone 15 subject to return.

Also the return on investment is not 6-12mos, its more like 2-3 years even with fuel at $60+. You need to keep in mind the cost associated with the modification including the two or so weeks in lost of productivity.

One last point to make, the TW B757s are not fully being maintained by AA as the RR fleet, they have instead been contracted out to Delta. If AA had a long term vision for the birds it would be cheaper to bring them inhouse already. As this has yet to happen I doubt AA looks at these 757s being core members of the fleet.
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:25 am

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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:27 am

AFAIK,no P&W 757's have winglets,yet.
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 3):
AFAIK,no P&W 757's have winglets,yet.

Why is that? I know the RR engines stay on the wing longer and can have more thrust, depending on which engine model, but I thought the P&Ws burned less fuel.
 
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 3):
AFAIK,no P&W 757's have winglets,yet.

None, yet. But NW will soon be installing them on 10 of their PW birds (along with ETOPS certification):
RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming! (by Lightsaber May 26 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 5):

None, yet. But NW will soon be installing them on 10 of their PW birds (along with ETOPS certification):

RE: NWA B757-200 Citys Coming! (by Lightsaber May 26 2006 in Civil Aviation)

This is a totally uncomfirmed rumor, dont count on it happening.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):

Why is that? I know the RR engines stay on the wing longer and can have more thrust, depending on which engine model, but I thought the P&Ws burned less fuel.

Most agree that the RR is the better performing engine on the 757 family.


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AA will be returning the ex-TW PW powered 757s as their leases expire in the coming years........why would AA make an investment in winglets for these aircraft?
 
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
This is a totally uncomfirmed rumor, dont count on it happening.

Fair enough. We'll see...
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 3):
AFAIK,no P&W 757's have winglets,yet.



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Why is that? I know the RR engines stay on the wing longer and can have more thrust, depending on which engine model, but I thought the P&Ws burned less fuel.

Don't start another argument about that! Few months ago a lot of you members were just arguing about a PW powered 757 with winglets! Here are two previews of two PW operators with winglets:


Will Northwest ever add these amazing winglets to their 757's?


Here is a PW powered 757 with winglets!


Will US also retro-fit theirs?
Hope US adds these beauties to their 757's soon.


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[Edited 2006-05-29 22:24:42]
 
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting American777 (Reply 8):

Great "pics" Big grin

We can only hope...
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting American777 (Reply 8):
Hope US adds these beauties to their 757's soon

I would hope so, as they plan to start flying some 757s across the Atlantic soon.
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting American777 (Reply 8):
Will US also retro-fit theirs?

They would be much more likely than NW or UA. Though I reckon, given that AY will start holiday flights with techstops to places such as PTY, and since they do already fly PW 757s transatlantically, they could be a prime candidate for a winglet retrofit. I recall they extended the leases on their 757s, so that's a possibility. And if AY gets a few of those ex TW 757s that are still not allocated, then there's still hope for one of them getting the APB winglets after all.
 
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Tue May 30, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
if AY gets a few of those ex TW 757s that are still not allocated, then there's still hope for one of them getting the APB winglets after all.

That would be great. The B-757, no matter which engine hangs under the wing, looks grest with winglets. Of course, it is also a good looking airplane without them, too.
 
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RE: Will AA (former TW) B-757s Get Winglets?

Wed May 31, 2006 3:44 am

I was in TUL last week at AA M&E and there were several ex-TW 757's in the hangar for heavy maintenance c-checks. The only maintenance DL is doing for AA on these aircraft is the heavy in shop engine maintenance. Likewise, AA handles the heavy maintenance on the DL 777 RR Trent 892 engines at the TAESL facility in AFW.

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