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Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:10 pm

Hi all,

Couple of weeks ago, I booked Hapag Lloyd Express from STR to Berlin. As we drove with the airport bus to our plane, it stoped at an dba F100, not at an HLX-plane. Some passengers in the bus got nervous, asked the driver of the bus, if this was really the right plane. But yes, we flew with dba to Berlin.
So dba and HLX have absolutely no codeshare.
Later, I asked the stewardess, why we fly with an dba-plane. She said, there were problems with the HLX plane, so the company switched to this dba-plane, since this plane would not belong to dba, it was only leased by them most the time (it belonged to Germania). But it was funny, because the uniforms, the livery of the plane, all was dba. (By the way I was glad, because dba is by far the better airline than HLX).

Did you experienced similar "airline-changings" with airlines that do not even have code share agreements?

Bye,

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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!

Tue May 30, 2006 1:28 pm

In 1977, I was booked to fly from Guayaquil, Ecuador to Quito, on SAN, but (after some delay and hand-wringing at departure time), we actually flew on a Caravelle belonging to, and perated by, SAETA. And no, I do not know what the acronyms stood for (other than assuming that "Aerolineas" or "Aeronaves" fit in there somewhere).

The plane was old and tired, ex-Alitalia, but it was spotlessly clean, and the service had to have been the best I have ever experienced (one passenger tried to carry on a live turkey in a burlap bag, was compelled to check it at planeside).

Flight attendant (whose English, while marginal, was nonetheless a damned sight better than my Spanish!) told me that the 'lines would occasionally cover for each other. It seems now a quaint but neighborly way of doing business, but I certainly enjoyed the flight.

Christmas eve, 1977. Time, she do fly by!

PS- The turkey got to baggage claim just fine, but I would not want to bet on how long it lasted after that!
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 1:30 pm

Sounds like the good old days to me.

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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 4:00 pm

Sound like a same experience I had some weeks ago, which I just wrote in a tripreport http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/78068/

My AB flight turned out to get operated by FlyNordic/Nordic Leisure.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 4:42 pm

Quoting MD 11 (Thread starter):
Did you experienced similar "airline-changings" with airlines that do not even have code share agreements?

No...but CX did it in 2001 when pilots went on industrial actions. CX chartered China Southern to take those booked on CX flights
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 4:50 pm

I`ve had a couple of those....

Recently was booked MAN/STN with Air Berlin and the a/c that turned up was (like for MD11) a dba F100 - similar explanation that the AB a/c had gone tech - very nice flight though, quite funny to have the dba F/As apologising for not being perfect with their english.... in perfect english !

My best `switch` was a couple of days after the AF SSC disaster when I was due to fly MAN/CDG with AF - expecting the usual B735 or A320. I think they were having a lot of ops problems at the time `cos what turns up at the gate but an AeroLyon DC10 !! - very nice, but short, trip !
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 5:10 pm

The last incident that springs to mind was back in 2001 when Easyjet left me stranded at AMS after cancelling my return flight to LTN.

In the end, they chartered a JMC B757 - G-JMCG if I recall - to get us back home.

One of the quickest journeys I've ever done between AMS and LTN - I think we were in the air for all of 35 minutes, or something daft like that.


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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 5:24 pm

On June, 2001, my sister and I were booked to connect on Iberia from MAD-SVQ. When the shuttle dropped us off airside, we were brought up to an Aviaco MD-88. Various passengers questioned the driver and then proceeded to run the flight attendants through the same questionaire. Needless to say, it was the best flight I have ever had with Iberia (operated by Aviaco personnel) eventhough this company was to be swallowed up entirely in a few short weeks.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:26 pm

1996 Dublin-BHX
Was booked on Aer Lingus (Bae146-300 most likely).
EI chartered a Eurofly DC-9-50 for some reason.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting Titch (Reply 6):
The last incident that springs to mind was back in 2001 when Easyjet left me stranded at AMS after cancelling my return flight to LTN.

In the end, they chartered a JMC B757 - G-JMCG if I recall - to get us back home.

You say it, but I remember also a LTN-AMS flight on U2, heavily delayed because London suffered from snowfall Big grin They got their hands on a HV 733 which flew us back to AMS in the middle of the night. I left LTN around midnight! Very quick flight too, 27 minutes air-time is in my notebook! It wasn't too busy on the route anymore I think. A shame they did charter a (for me) boring HV 733, I was more happy with something different.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:52 pm

Back in 1999 I found myself on an AirTransat L15 on an LHR-LIS trip, filling in for a TP equipment shortage. Sadly, will probably turn out to have been my last trip on a Tristar....
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 6:56 pm

Quoting ViveAF (Reply 5):
I think they were having a lot of ops problems at the time `cos what turns up at the gate but an AeroLyon DC10 !! - very nice, but short, trip !

Now, that's what I call a good subcharter!


I've had a couple of examples of this. I once flew on a British Midland flight EDI-MAN on a Titan Airways ATR42.

I also flew Gulf Air BAH-ATH..... on a Jet Airways A340! GF/OA BAH-ATH-RHO, The Indian Way [+ Pics] (by UK_Dispatcher Dec 23 2005 in Trip Reports)
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 7:03 pm

Well, this happens quite frequently when aircraft have technical problems. I've had it a couple of times.

Occasionall an airline might also choose to rebook you on an entirely different flight. For example, I was once booked DUS-AMS-MSP-FAR on NW and ended up flying DUS-EWR on LH, EWR-MSP on CO and MSP-FAR on NW.
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 7:05 pm

Got to fly on Corsair 747SP F-GTOM a few years back from Oryly to Cayenne because the AF plane had gone tech. They offered business pax to fly another day apparently. But for me in Y, the best experience ever (and first time on the stubby SP). Service wise AF would have been better of course, but being in an SP, can't beat the experience (if only for it being a rare one).
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 7:14 pm

Some examples out of my head...

Star Airlines A320 instead of AF A320
dba F-100 instead of AB F-100 (which is wetleased from dba anyway)
IB MD-87 instead of AO DC9-30 (d'oh!)
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 7:41 pm

A month ago, missed check-in at ORD for a UA flight to LHR by about 15mins. Gate agent surly and unhelpful, gave me the 'you can't fly standby, you're an economy pax. The only seats you can book into are in 2 days' time, unless you want to go First tomorrow'. So I, being in a hurry, decided to purchase a one-way with BA.

Up I go to BA, they didn't let me buy a ticket. They saw that I was really stressed out because of missing my flight, and after talking for a while with the horrible UA people, they put me on a BA flight, for no charge, the next to leave for LHR an hour later. They said BA would honouw my ticket with UA.

Moral of the story? Don't fly UA. Fly BA.

And as we crossed the coast of Newfoundland and on over the North Atlantic, I raised a G&T to the lovely BA agent, the world's favourite airline, and relaxed as I thought of the sad b*****d manning UA check-in at ORD.  Smile
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 8:07 pm

About 6 years ago,i was on a return flight with the then Airtours airline,(My Travel) nowadays.
We were travelling back to CWL from Ibiza on what should have been an A320 Airbus.There was also a flight to BRS at the same time.
I think the BRS flight went tech earlier in the day,so they combined both flights onto a nice L1011 Tristar!I`m trying to remember the airline name,but know it was a scandinavian company.Was crewed by a few airtours flight attendants aswell.
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 8:16 pm

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 16):
it was a scandinavian company

Air Atlanta Icelandic?

http://xoomer.virgilio.it/airclipper/L1011_AirAtlanta_TF-ABT_BGY_Rigamonti.jpg
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 17):

No Mate,just looked it up,it was Novair L-1011
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 15):
Moral of the story? Don't fly UA. Fly BA.

I was due to fly AA from LAS to LAX earlier this year, but the MD80 developed a fault. My bag went on the next AA flight, but as there wasn't room for all of us I went UA! I guess airlines must have some system for recharging these costs.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Tue May 30, 2006 10:11 pm

My Indian Airlines flight from Mumbai to Delhi last month was flown by Druk Air Royal Bhutan Airlines on their A319 - and it was so much nicer than the Indian Airlines flight I'd flown down on  Smile
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 7):
On June, 2001, my sister and I were booked to connect on Iberia from MAD-SVQ. When the shuttle dropped us off airside, we were brought up to an Aviaco MD-88. Various passengers questioned the driver and then proceeded to run the flight attendants through the same questionaire. Needless to say, it was the best flight I have ever had with Iberia (operated by Aviaco personnel) eventhough this company was to be swallowed up entirely in a few short weeks.

Sort of the same thing happened to me in 1990 - for a while after the buy-out you could check in for the Canadian Airlines flight and find a Wardair aircraft with new titles, but with the same old Royal Doulton china service.... sweet.
 
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 3:16 am

This happens alot working as a CSA. When there is a cancellation due to an airline fault, the computers usually rebook passengers on the first available flight that will get them to their destination, no matter the airline. If it is a delay, they tell use to try to keep them online as long as we can. If it is a weather/ ATC issue, we are supposed to keep online but if it is gong to be longer (or if the pax is an elite) then I will go ahead and give "good customer service" (what all our manuals and videos say) to that pax, to save their loyalty and for their future business.

From my station, if I have a cancellation or a delay which allows me to book pax OA, then I use these simple rules...

US- Northeast US
CO- West US/ Int'l
DL- Everywhere else/ Int'l
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 3:36 am

In the old days - before the aliances - all airlines in western Europe seemed to be one big aliance.

Once I went to the Swissair office in Copenhagen to buy a ticket to Madrid with stopover to pick up a friend in Zurich. The lady wrote me a hand written ticket like this:

CPH - ZRH: Crossair
ZRH - MAD: Iberia
MAD - ZRH: Swissair
ZRH - CPH: SAS

That was at a time when Crossair and Swissair both served the ZRH - CPH route in "competition".
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 3:40 am

I was going from ATH to LHR via MXP with AZ a few years ago. Since the inbound flight was delayed i was offered to fly with OA instead to make sure i wouldn't miss my connection at MXP. I should have taken my chances with AZ though. That OA flight was my worst flight ever.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting MD 11 (Thread starter):
Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

It's a relatively common occurance. Where the airline booked cannot, for one reason or another, provide an aircraft to operate that booked service. There are many reasons for this but proabably the most common would be lack or or unavailability of pilots/cabin crew, late completion of scheduled maintenance, unscheduled maintenance requiring immediate action or late delivery of new aircraft. It really is not so unusual.

Having worked for three carriers over the last 12 years, I can tell you that at one stage or another all three of those carriers have sub-chartered an aircraft from another carrier for one reason or another.

It's known as an ACMI operation, whereby the sub-charted carrier provides the Aircraft, Crew, Maintenance and Insurance of the operation to the chartering company for an agreed fee. All other elements concerned with the ground & passenger handling of the particular flight will be taken care of by airline with which the flight has been booked or their designated representatives.

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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 4:07 am

When we went to Key West we flew Delta but a Continental plane returned us to Orlando instead of the Delta plane which was to take us to Atlanta.

Not reallly sure what happened. But we got back on a Delta plane after that one small leg.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!

Wed May 31, 2006 5:30 am

My sister was booked on an MP 763 AMS-LPA, and had a surprise at the gate when she found this beauty:

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She called me from the gate area to ask if there was any chance of this old beast actually making it safe to Las Palmas...

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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Titch (Reply 6):
The last incident that springs to mind was back in 2001 when Easyjet left me stranded at AMS after cancelling my return flight to LTN.

In the end, they chartered a JMC B757 - G-JMCG if I recall - to get us back home.

One of the quickest journeys I've ever done between AMS and LTN - I think we were in the air for all of 35 minutes, or something daft like that.

You are joking? It wasn't January 20th 2001 was it?

We were booked on the 6pm easyJet flight AMS-LTN which was cancelled, JMC ended up sending a 757 in at gone midnight - G-JMCG!

We were a big group of plane spotters returning after a day in AMS!

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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 6:04 am

In January, 2002, I was going to fly USAirways SAN-PIT-ATL, with the SAN-PIT leg being a red-eye.

When it came time to check-in, the agent told me, "we've been trying to reach you!!" (that'll teach me to use my home phone as the contact number!). The PIT-ATL leg for the next morning had been cancelled, and they were having trouble re-routing me. SAN-CLT-ATL? No seats. SAN-PHL-ATL? No seats. I even suggested SAN-PIT-CLT-ATL. No seats.

Finally, the agent started calling other airlines...kind of a surprise to me, as I thought I was just out of luck! First call went to AA (via ORD). No luck. Second went to Delta (a non-stop). No luck. UA and NW - no luck. Finally, a call was made to Continental, and their EWR-bound red-eye flight was in final boarding stages.

They held the plane for me - I did run between T1 and T2 (not really that far), and no one was in line at the CO check-in counter. Security at 9:30 PM at San Diego is not terribly long, so from leaving the US ticket counter to boarding the CO 737 took maybe half an hour.
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 9:46 am

I had a family emergency in '96 which required that I fly from DTW to FCO via JFK (I was to have met my brother at the airport).

Short story. TW DTW-JFK to DL JFK FCO. The plane was late, but the "door" was closed and they would not let us on.

They put us on an AZ flight, however it was a wet lease on a 763 operated by Nordstress, a division of Ansett Worldwide (AWAS) leasing.

So, it was a little odd flying JFK - FCO with crews from OZ!
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RE: Flown Other Airline Than Booked (No Codeshare!)?

Wed May 31, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting NoelG (Reply 28):
You are joking? It wasn't January 20th 2001 was it?

It was indeed!

Quoting NoelG (Reply 28):
We were a big group of plane spotters returning after a day in AMS!

Funnily enough, I'd spent all day spotting at AMS too....  Wink

Cheers,
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