paulcaz
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RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 5:22 pm

 Smile See on ATDB.org that SAS have ordered RRJs They will look good in SAS colours.Sukhoi say 20
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Dalavia
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 5:26 pm

ATDB.org is the Union of European Turkish Democrats.

I can't see anything on that website to confirm this news.

Very exciting if true though!
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 5:51 pm

Quote:

Scandinavian airline SAS denied on Tuesday it had plans to buy planes from Sukhoi after the Russian aerospace group said it hoped to sign a contract with the Scandinavian carrier for 22 new Russian Regional Jets.

Viktor Subbotin, head of Sukhoi's civil plane unit, earlier said his group had "practically started preparing a contract with SAS" for a preliminary order of 22 jets.

"There is no chance," SAS spokesman Bertil Ternert said. "There is a rumour we are going to buy the aircraft. It is completely wrong."

Source: http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1148419523.html

I hope they do order the RRJ, it would be great to see russia sell some aircraft to the west, but it doesnt look like SAS will be ordering them.
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 6:14 pm

They don't need it in the first place. Q400 is doing the job fine and replacing it with RJ would only increase costs.

SAS should concentrate on simplyfying their short - haul fleet rather than adding more types.
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 3):
They don't need it in the first place. Q400 is doing the job fine and replacing it with RJ would only increase costs

The RRJ has shorter and stretched versions and will be more meant to replace 736s and MD-87s, their only current aircraft in the 75-120 seats region which are both not so efficient. They can also open up routes which are too long for the RJ, like to secundairy cities in Spain and Italy.
In 20 years, I can imagine SAS flying Q400, RRJ and A320/321s and/or 737s.
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 6:31 pm

If SAS buys the RRJ, I guess that it will most likely be for its subsidiary companies, which operates a wide range of RJ's. For example, it would be a nice replacement for Blue1 and Air Baltic fleet of Avro RJ85/100s.
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):

In 20 years, I can imagine SAS flying Q400, RRJ and A320/321s and/or 737s.

I agree with the most part of your reasoning, that SAS will need a replacement airplane for their MD-87/735 fleet rather than the Q400 which are to stay in the SAS fleet for a while.

My only disagreement is about the A320/A321. The A321 are to large for the SAS fleet. That is why SAS converted their option from 4 A321 to A319.
All Airbus planes in the SAS fleet are sold, and leased back which can suggest that they are not staying in the fleet for many years.

On to the topic. It will be Lindegaards successor who will make the decision on what kind of RJ SAS will go for. So the rumor is just rumor for now anyway. RJ will be the next order and investment for SAS and it's subsidiary companies.
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 4):
The RRJ has shorter and stretched versions and will be more meant to replace 736s and MD-87s, their only current aircraft in the 75-120 seats region which are both not so efficient.

736 may not be so efficient but is a part of large family of aircraft which SAS operates. As such it may not be worth to introduce yet another type to the fleet. The other problem is what to do with those 736? They don't seem to be hot sellers and sending fairly new aircraft to the desert would not be wise option too.

Imho SAS should build their short haul fleet around 73NG, move buses to Spanair and get rid of MDs. Unfortunately they cannot afford it at this time.
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 10:41 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Imho SAS should build their short haul fleet around 73NG, move buses to Spanair and get rid of MDs. Unfortunately they cannot afford it at this time.

I agree with you humble opinion. What could the airline potentially save with just one short haul fleet rather than three? I guess that putting all the MD-80 in CPH, and the 737 in ARN and OSL is a step in that direction.

When the A319 arrive some MD-87 will go to Spanair as well.
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 10:56 pm

Well, they currently have one Q400 for sale on www.speednews.com .
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 9):
Well, they currently have one Q400 for sale on www.speednews.com .

I was not aware of this. Is this a sell leaseback maneuver?
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 8):
When the A319 arrive some MD-87 will go to Spanair as well.

My point was to send those 319 to Spanair (and possibly A321 as well). They clearly don't fit into SAS fleet. MD-87 should be retired as they will continue to be loss makiers with current fuel prices.
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 6):

Huh!?

"All the Airbus planes in SAS fleet are sold, and leased back wich can suggest that they´re not staying in the fleet for many years....."

Never heard that one before, new to me.

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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 12):
Never heard that one before, new to me.

Sounds a bit strange, but I guess, now I think about it, it does make sense!
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 12):
Huh!?

"All the Airbus planes in SAS fleet are sold, and leased back wich can suggest that they´re not staying in the fleet for many years....."

Never heard that one before, new to me.

Micke//SWE



Quoting Vasu (Reply 13):
Sounds a bit strange, but I guess, now I think about it, it does make sense!

SAS has sold their Airbus A330/A340 A319/A321 and MD-80 and leased them back in order to get enough money for the planes they have sold. This way SAS can quickly replace their long-haul fleet and mixed short-haul fleet when they get the productivity up to a level where SAS can earn money.
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Tue May 30, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
The other problem is what to do with those 736?

How about SAS putting some more seats into them to increase revenue for each flight? Don't they just have 116-119 seats in them now? They could put in a total of 128 seats like Braathens did on some of their B735s in the 1990s...

The B736s I have flown had a big galley up front, but they hardly served anything, so do they really need them? Compact LCC-style galleys should suffice, IMO...
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Oykie
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Wed May 31, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 15):
How about SAS putting some more seats into them to increase revenue for each flight? Don't they just have 116-119 seats in them now? They could put in a total of 128 seats like Braathens did on some of their B735s in the 1990s...

I have been speculating in the very same thing, but with weak load factors (66%?) there would be no need to make people feel stuffed in a half full plane.

Perhaps the program "The new commercial SAS" that started last week will ask the same question as to how SAS can perform better?
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Wed May 31, 2006 3:46 am

I imagine that if the RRJ series were expanded to include a 115 seater it would be an easier sale to SAS and others considering how many aircraft of that size they have.

Perhaps two stretches- 110 and 130 seats to justify the cost of a new wing and powerplant.

That would enable SAS to standardize around four types:

Q-series, RRJ, 73G/A320, A330/40
 
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RE: RRJ For SAS

Wed May 31, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 10):
I was not aware of this. Is this a sell leaseback maneuver?

I don't know, but as they're selling only one aircraft of their fleet of 30 or so (how many do they have ?), it seems unlikely IMO.
Exceptions confirm the rule.

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