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HV And KL To Codeshare On TXL, BGY, NAP

Tue May 30, 2006 11:40 pm

Source: luchtvaartnieuws.nl

KLM will start a pilot of codesharing with it's low-cost/leisure carrier Transavia to BGY, NAP and TXL. Both companies aim to get transfer pax on these routes.

I think it's about time. It was a strange idea that when you want to book on KL let's say JFK-NAP, that you get an itinary JFK-AMS-MXP-NAP or JFK-AMS-CDG-NAP, whilst their own daughter flies AMS-NAP non-stop daily.

I think it's an interesting development. Who will build the slack into the schedule to secure connections? Will Transavia lose a part of their low-cost structure by this? On the other hand, they already had quite long (45 min) turnaround times, so that doesn't change too much.
 
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RE: HV And KL To Codeshare On TXL, BGY, NAP

Wed May 31, 2006 2:21 am

I imagine they will hand for instance $5 vouchers to spend on board, otherwise you get service inconsistency compared to flights operated by KLM or KLC. Will it mean KLM will stop flying to TXL or MXP?
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RE: HV And KL To Codeshare On TXL, BGY, NAP

Wed May 31, 2006 2:24 am

KLM and Transavia have codeshared before haven't they?
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RE: HV And KL To Codeshare On TXL, BGY, NAP

Wed May 31, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
Will it mean KLM will stop flying to TXL or MXP?

Stopping MXP is highly unlikely, considering their intensive co-operation with Alitalia here. I also doubt they'll stop TXL, I see it more as an addition to the current KLM services.
 
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RE: HV And KL To Codeshare On TXL, BGY, NAP

Wed May 31, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Joost (Thread starter):
KLM will start a pilot of codesharing with it's low-cost/leisure carrier Transavia

Surprising! Just a few years ago KL/HV ended the codeshare agreement (codeshare was mainly on AGP/FNC/CMN/ALC) because HV wanted a simplified and cheaper handling (towards low-cost).

Quoting Joost (Thread starter):
Who will build the slack into the schedule to secure connections?

Minimum connecting time will probably the same as usual for AMS/KL and is 40 minutes for EUR-EUR flights and 50 minutes for EUR-ICA (intercontinental), ICA-EUR. If a passenger is arriving late on HV and has a MCT less than 40 or 50 min than the passenger will be rebooked by KL. KL is VERY strict in this, if your connecting time is 39 minutes in stead of 40, you will be refused at the gate! Although you arrive at the gate before departure time. It's ridiculous! Anyway if you miss the flight due to the MCT being too short KL needs to rebook you.

Quoting Joost (Thread starter):
they already had quite long (45 min) turnaround times, so that doesn't change too much.

I don't see a problem witth turnaround times, IMO that doesn't change when codesharing.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
I imagine they will hand for instance $5 vouchers to spend on board, otherwise you get service inconsistency compared to flights operated by KLM or KLC.

This is common in many alliances/codeshare agreements. E.g. you book a return LHR-MAD-LHR. LHR-MAD = BA = full service; LHR-MAD = IB = pay for drinks/snacks.
If KL communicates clearly to the passengers that HV charges for beverages/snacks I don't see any problems. The only problem is KLM and COMMUNICATION, those 2 don't go together!
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RE: HV And KL To Codeshare On TXL, BGY, NAP

Wed May 31, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 4):
If KL communicates clearly to the passengers that HV charges for beverages/snacks I don't see any problems. The only problem is KLM and COMMUNICATION, those 2 don't go together!

For people booking at a travel agency, it's the travel agent's responsibility.

For poeple booking on klm.com, they will just have to add 1 line to the "this flight is operated by our partner Transavia. Food and drink is available in a buy-on-board program" box.

For people booking by telephone, indeed, they need to communicate  Smile

Quoting SK601 (Reply 4):

I don't see a problem witth turnaround times, IMO that doesn't change when codesharing.

A long turnaround time also means slack into the schedule. When you have to connect passengers, slack is more welcome than when you just fly point-to-point.

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